It never crossed their mind to stop stealing land from their neighbors?
All the land they 'stole' was the result of their neighbors attacking them and then losing the war. And even there they gave back some of the land, e.g. the Sinai to Egypt. I believe that in 2009 they even agreed to give back the Golan Heights to Syria. The intransigence of the Muslims has really cost them. They really don't know how to cut their losses.
People get real tired of having their houses promised to Jews 4,000 years ago.
They tried to kill the Jews in 1948 before anyone's house was taken. Even there, it was limited to not allowing back in the people who fled (or were driven out) in the war that they started.
So what do they do? Start yet more wars and lose more land.
All the land they 'stole' was the result of their neighbors attacking them
FOH with this revisionist apologia bs. International Zionists started the conflict in Palestine long before 1948
They tried to kill the Jews in 1948 before anyone's house was taken.
Nonsense, yids had been murdering Palestinians (and stealing their houses) for over 10 years by that point:
>Between 1929 and 1938, 250,000 Jews arrived in Palestine … In 1933, the Jewish Agency and the Nazis negotiated the Ha'avara Agreement (transfer agreement), under which 50,000 German Jews would be transferred to Palestine. …
>In 1920, the population of Palestine was estimated to be around 700,000 to 757,182.
Imagine if ~150,000,000 muslims got transplanted into America over 10 years. You act as if that isn’t a declaration of war. Yet when zionists did it, it was hunky-dorey huh? “They dindu nuffin, then they got surprise attacked by their mean goat fucking neighbors!”
I can’t think of any videos or articles in particular for an overview, but I can recommendthe work of The Grayzone and of basically everyone who gets republished on the Unz Review in general on the subject.
Maybe the two Louis Theroux documentaries (called “the Ultrazionists” and “Settlers”) if you like his stuff. It’s not so much an overview of how things got here but they do show the current situation quite well.
Bitter Lake (by Adam Curtis) is a good documentary on the Assad regime and israel’s history, but is far from comprehensive on the more general israel/palestine aka jew/muslim paradigm (I say “aka” because frankly the jew/muslim paradigm isn’t some eternal hatred, they mostly got along with eachother up until the ashkenazi invasion of Palestine)
If you have any more specific questions i can try and whip up a response or point you to a good source
Well, since you offered, i kept seeing stuff about how the usual suspects are the ones bringing in immigrants into western countries and i know they offer some help but i haven't really seen how they do it en masse. And i suppose that'd tie in to jewish slave traders that i've heard about but haven't really delved into that either. I saw UN report that there's slave trade routes from russia and other impoverished countries to israel where women get duped into slavery but that's modern times.
Got around to checking out unz. Seems to me like a usual american-based antizionist and antiestablishment operation. The thing that put me off is that i was trying to gauge the lack of bias in its writing by looking at what they thought of putin and in this article i really had second thoughts about continuing reading after the "80% approval rating, same as biden" bit. If they really think that i don't think i want to read what else they have to say.
FOH with this revisionist apologia bs. International Zionists started the conflict in Palestine long before 1948
So when did they 'start' it?
Nonsense, yids had been murdering Palestinians (and stealing their houses) for over 10 years by that point:
So since 1938. I dispute your claim of 'stealing houses', but 1938 definitely postdates the Islamic massacres directed at the Jews.
Imagine if ~150,000,000 muslims got transplanted into America over 10 years.
If you're going to stake it all on hyperbole, why not take China as an example and claim that those 300k people are equivalent to 700 million people being transplanted into China over 10 years?
Also, Muslims have plenty of Islamic countries to go to. They shouldn't be coming to Europe. If the Jews had 50 different Jewish states and just had to take over another one, then you'd have made a valid point.
“They dindu nuffin, then they got surprise attacked by their mean goat fucking neighbors!”
Surprisingly, the Muslims who attack their Christian minorities also attack Jews. I assume you don't think the former is justified?
I mean, the zionist plan was always to get all the land, they accepted partition only because it was a foot in the door strategy. They just make up whatever justification necessary after the fact to make it sound good.
Israel is a colonization project, which in the grand scheme of the world is not that rare or unusual, but its coming from the people who constantly lecture the world from a position of untouchable moral superiority, and that's aggravating beyond belief.
Where is this 'Zionist masterplan'? Of course, it was all just improvisation. If they wanted "all the land", they had plenty of opportunity, and they wouldn't have given the Sinai back to Egypt.
Random channel quoting a random Muslim as saying that the Jews want... Iraq. I mean, that's just preposterous.
Israel is a colonization project
I wouldn't go that far in complimenting Israel. European colonialism was very, very good.
its coming from the people who constantly lecture the world from a position of untouchable moral superiority
That is what grates me about the West in general. But in the world where victimhood is currency, the Jews are king. I'm actually surprised at how easily they're pushed aside by blacks and gender deviants.
They didn't want to give Sinai back, even after they were forced to they proceeded to hold onto it for 3 more years.
Let's also not forget how they snatched the Golan heights just recently. Totally for defensive purposes of course.
Random channel quoting a random Muslim as saying that the Jews want... Iraq. I mean, that's just preposterous.
Yes, they really did plan to take out seven countries in order to dominate the region. Israel's Prime Minister Ben-gurion repeatedly demanded jewish settlement of all of Palestine, as well as into Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. Presumably the leader of a country has some say it what it does no?
Ben-Gurion's territorial aims were large. He never tired of reminded his arab listeners of the historical boundaries of Erez Israel. He had advocated these historic boundaries since 1918, quoting the Bible to prove that the Hebrews had settled on both sides of the Jordan.
In February 1982, the World Zionist Organization published ‘The Yinon Plan: A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.’ The document was published in Hebrew but was later translated into English by the eminent professor Israel Shahak of Hebrew University. It was written by military strategist Oded Yinon and detailed a plan to break up large Arab nations like Iraq and Syria and transform them into tiny ethnic statelets that would be incapable of defending themselves against Israel’s superior military might. Yinon wrote:
“The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas…is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target.”
(25 years later)
During a 2007 interview on Amy Goodman’s political talk show Democracy Now, General Clark spoke about a detailed war agenda that was revealed to him by members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when he visited the Pentagon just ten days after 9/11:
“One of the generals called me in. He said, ‘Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second…We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.’ This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, ‘We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?’ He said, ‘I don’t know…I guess they don’t know what else to do.’ So I said, ‘Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?’ He said, ‘No, no…there’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq…I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.’ And he said, ‘I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
A few weeks later, Clark returned to the Pentagon and met with the same man, recalling:
“I said, ‘Are we still going to war with Iraq?’ And he said, ‘Oh, it’s worse than that.’ He reached over his desk. He picked up a piece of paper and he said, ‘I just got this down from upstairs’ — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — ‘today.’ And he said, ‘This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.’ I said, ‘Is it classified?’ He said, ‘Yes sir.’ I said, ‘Well don’t show it to me.’ And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, ‘You remember that?’ He said, ‘Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you.’”
Jeffery Sachs has also spoken extensively of the 'seven countries' targeted by Israel. Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, Iran. This is the Eretz Yisrael (Greater Israel) project America has been tricked into supporting.
An updated version of The Yinon Plan was drafted for Netanyahu in 1996 during his first year as Israel’s prime minister. Titled ‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,’ the document was assembled for Netanyahu by neocon hawks Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser. It specifically called for the removal from power of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Bashar al-Assad in Syria and recommended military confrontations with both countries as well as with Lebanon and Iran. One year later, Perle, Feith and Wurmser would all join the newly-founded Project for a New American Century (PNAC) and continue their strategizing for Netanyahu’s War on Terror.
Of course they didn't "want to". No country wants that. Giving up strategic depth is a cost, especially when you've been invaded three times.
even after they were forced to they proceeded to hold onto it for 3 more years.
They weren't "forced to". They gave it up for peace, and in accordance with an agreement.
Let's also not forget how they snatched the Golan heights just recently. Totally for defensive purposes of course.
Actually quite a long time ago. They stole new Syrian lands recently.
The channel's sources are primarily Israeli.
I mean, I prefer serious sources, not Youtube channels. In this case, it's a second-hand claim about what people believe which is rather obviously ridiculous.
Yes, they really did plan to take out seven countries in order to dominate the region.
That wasn't the claim that you cited earlier. This is something completely different again.
Israel's cancerous behavior towards Syria, among other things, is quite well known. And yet in 2009 it was willing to give back the Golan in exchange for peace.
All the land they 'stole' was the result of their neighbors attacking them and then losing the war.
Woah woah woah buddy. The illegal settlements that Israelis are building in the West Bank are not the result of any war and in fact are officially condemned (with lip service) by the Israeli government.
Israelis are stealing people's houses and villages today, as we speak.
And therefore it's illegitimate? The West Bank is recognized Palestinian territory and the Israeli settlements are illegal.
Didn't say legitimate, I said that it's the result of wars started by Israel's opponents. Also, how can it be "Palestinian" territory when it was taken from Jordan.
I have looked into them and there are largely legitimate. It's pretty simple: don't build houses on Palestinian land.
Wait, you said "stealing people's houses". Now it's building houses on "Palestinian" land?
All the land they 'stole' was the result of their neighbors attacking them and then losing the war. And even there they gave back some of the land, e.g. the Sinai to Egypt. I believe that in 2009 they even agreed to give back the Golan Heights to Syria. The intransigence of the Muslims has really cost them. They really don't know how to cut their losses.
They tried to kill the Jews in 1948 before anyone's house was taken. Even there, it was limited to not allowing back in the people who fled (or were driven out) in the war that they started.
So what do they do? Start yet more wars and lose more land.
FOH with this revisionist apologia bs. International Zionists started the conflict in Palestine long before 1948
Nonsense, yids had been murdering Palestinians (and stealing their houses) for over 10 years by that point:
>Between 1929 and 1938, 250,000 Jews arrived in Palestine … In 1933, the Jewish Agency and the Nazis negotiated the Ha'avara Agreement (transfer agreement), under which 50,000 German Jews would be transferred to Palestine. …
>In 1920, the population of Palestine was estimated to be around 700,000 to 757,182.
Imagine if ~150,000,000 muslims got transplanted into America over 10 years. You act as if that isn’t a declaration of war. Yet when zionists did it, it was hunky-dorey huh? “They dindu nuffin, then they got surprise attacked by their mean goat fucking neighbors!”
Never really had any interest in tribal warfare of middle east. Any recommendations for getting up to speed on israel/muslims conflict?
I can’t think of any videos or articles in particular for an overview, but I can recommendthe work of The Grayzone and of basically everyone who gets republished on the Unz Review in general on the subject.
Maybe the two Louis Theroux documentaries (called “the Ultrazionists” and “Settlers”) if you like his stuff. It’s not so much an overview of how things got here but they do show the current situation quite well.
Bitter Lake (by Adam Curtis) is a good documentary on the Assad regime and israel’s history, but is far from comprehensive on the more general israel/palestine aka jew/muslim paradigm (I say “aka” because frankly the jew/muslim paradigm isn’t some eternal hatred, they mostly got along with eachother up until the ashkenazi invasion of Palestine)
If you have any more specific questions i can try and whip up a response or point you to a good source
Well, since you offered, i kept seeing stuff about how the usual suspects are the ones bringing in immigrants into western countries and i know they offer some help but i haven't really seen how they do it en masse. And i suppose that'd tie in to jewish slave traders that i've heard about but haven't really delved into that either. I saw UN report that there's slave trade routes from russia and other impoverished countries to israel where women get duped into slavery but that's modern times.
Got around to checking out unz. Seems to me like a usual american-based antizionist and antiestablishment operation. The thing that put me off is that i was trying to gauge the lack of bias in its writing by looking at what they thought of putin and in this article i really had second thoughts about continuing reading after the "80% approval rating, same as biden" bit. If they really think that i don't think i want to read what else they have to say.
So when did they 'start' it?
So since 1938. I dispute your claim of 'stealing houses', but 1938 definitely postdates the Islamic massacres directed at the Jews.
If you're going to stake it all on hyperbole, why not take China as an example and claim that those 300k people are equivalent to 700 million people being transplanted into China over 10 years?
Also, Muslims have plenty of Islamic countries to go to. They shouldn't be coming to Europe. If the Jews had 50 different Jewish states and just had to take over another one, then you'd have made a valid point.
Surprisingly, the Muslims who attack their Christian minorities also attack Jews. I assume you don't think the former is justified?
Prior to the Balfour Declaration of 1914, at a minimum
I didn’t realize per capita analysis is now considered “hyperbole”. How would you feel if you hadn’t eaten breakfast this morning?
No objections there - three points though
the biggest reason “refugees” from those countries exist is because of Israel
the biggest reason western nations allow those “refugees” entrance is because of israelis and their dual-citizen diaspora
in the exact same sense, european yids shouldn’t be going to Palestine
I mean, the zionist plan was always to get all the land, they accepted partition only because it was a foot in the door strategy. They just make up whatever justification necessary after the fact to make it sound good.
This has all been extensively covered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-6QvPEekQ&t=496s
Israel is a colonization project, which in the grand scheme of the world is not that rare or unusual, but its coming from the people who constantly lecture the world from a position of untouchable moral superiority, and that's aggravating beyond belief.
Where is this 'Zionist masterplan'? Of course, it was all just improvisation. If they wanted "all the land", they had plenty of opportunity, and they wouldn't have given the Sinai back to Egypt.
Random channel quoting a random Muslim as saying that the Jews want... Iraq. I mean, that's just preposterous.
I wouldn't go that far in complimenting Israel. European colonialism was very, very good.
That is what grates me about the West in general. But in the world where victimhood is currency, the Jews are king. I'm actually surprised at how easily they're pushed aside by blacks and gender deviants.
They didn't want to give Sinai back, even after they were forced to they proceeded to hold onto it for 3 more years.
Let's also not forget how they snatched the Golan heights just recently. Totally for defensive purposes of course.
Yes, they really did plan to take out seven countries in order to dominate the region. Israel's Prime Minister Ben-gurion repeatedly demanded jewish settlement of all of Palestine, as well as into Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. Presumably the leader of a country has some say it what it does no?
In February 1982, the World Zionist Organization published ‘The Yinon Plan: A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.’ The document was published in Hebrew but was later translated into English by the eminent professor Israel Shahak of Hebrew University. It was written by military strategist Oded Yinon and detailed a plan to break up large Arab nations like Iraq and Syria and transform them into tiny ethnic statelets that would be incapable of defending themselves against Israel’s superior military might. Yinon wrote:
“The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas…is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target.”
(25 years later)
During a 2007 interview on Amy Goodman’s political talk show Democracy Now, General Clark spoke about a detailed war agenda that was revealed to him by members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when he visited the Pentagon just ten days after 9/11:
“One of the generals called me in. He said, ‘Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second…We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.’ This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, ‘We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?’ He said, ‘I don’t know…I guess they don’t know what else to do.’ So I said, ‘Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?’ He said, ‘No, no…there’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq…I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.’ And he said, ‘I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
A few weeks later, Clark returned to the Pentagon and met with the same man, recalling:
“I said, ‘Are we still going to war with Iraq?’ And he said, ‘Oh, it’s worse than that.’ He reached over his desk. He picked up a piece of paper and he said, ‘I just got this down from upstairs’ — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — ‘today.’ And he said, ‘This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.’ I said, ‘Is it classified?’ He said, ‘Yes sir.’ I said, ‘Well don’t show it to me.’ And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, ‘You remember that?’ He said, ‘Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you.’”
Jeffery Sachs has also spoken extensively of the 'seven countries' targeted by Israel. Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, Iran. This is the Eretz Yisrael (Greater Israel) project America has been tricked into supporting.
An updated version of The Yinon Plan was drafted for Netanyahu in 1996 during his first year as Israel’s prime minister. Titled ‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,’ the document was assembled for Netanyahu by neocon hawks Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser. It specifically called for the removal from power of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Bashar al-Assad in Syria and recommended military confrontations with both countries as well as with Lebanon and Iran. One year later, Perle, Feith and Wurmser would all join the newly-founded Project for a New American Century (PNAC) and continue their strategizing for Netanyahu’s War on Terror.
Of course they didn't "want to". No country wants that. Giving up strategic depth is a cost, especially when you've been invaded three times.
They weren't "forced to". They gave it up for peace, and in accordance with an agreement.
Actually quite a long time ago. They stole new Syrian lands recently.
I mean, I prefer serious sources, not Youtube channels. In this case, it's a second-hand claim about what people believe which is rather obviously ridiculous.
That wasn't the claim that you cited earlier. This is something completely different again.
Israel's cancerous behavior towards Syria, among other things, is quite well known. And yet in 2009 it was willing to give back the Golan in exchange for peace.
Woah woah woah buddy. The illegal settlements that Israelis are building in the West Bank are not the result of any war and in fact are officially condemned (with lip service) by the Israeli government.
Israelis are stealing people's houses and villages today, as we speak.
The West Bank itself is the result of a war. So yeah.
Do they? If you look into such claims, it turns out to be quite different.
And therefore it's illegitimate? The West Bank is recognized Palestinian territory and the Israeli settlements are illegal.
I have looked into them and there are largely legitimate. It's pretty simple: don't build houses on Palestinian land.
Didn't say legitimate, I said that it's the result of wars started by Israel's opponents. Also, how can it be "Palestinian" territory when it was taken from Jordan.
Wait, you said "stealing people's houses". Now it's building houses on "Palestinian" land?