I used to work in a body shop for repairing cars. I'd order, check in, and deliver all the various parts to the mechanics and techs. We repaired all manner of cars from various manufacturers.
Some manufacturers delivered their parts in the most minimal and shittiest of packaging, not caring about the rigors of transport and handling, letting tons of parts be destroyed because they'd rather put it on the customer and pinch pennies in packaging, so the CEOs could make even more money. Other manufacturers, though, took more pride in their work, and the packaging showed it, as those parts almost never arrived damaged (like Honda, for example).
Packaging is supposed to protect the product inside from typical transportation and handling. If an electronic distributor is putting sensitive electronic equipment, like a screen, directly next to thin surface cardboard, such that any bump on a sharp corner, drop, rock on the ground, or a staple would damage it, I'd put that directly on the manufacturer and distributor, for being so monumentally stupid that they wouldn't invest an extra penny or two to add foam or a card board separator to put distance between the item inside to the surface cardboard. It sounds identical to certain car manufacturers who packaged their plastic fascia bumpers in thin plastic (like something that holds the cereal in a cereal box), with no other protection, and then act surprised when they're scratched and gouged to hell when they arrive at their destination, putting more work on the techs to repair them, on the body shop guys to reject and return them, on the drivers to take them back and bring another one, and on the parts distributors for having to file a claim on them and reorder another part, just because the manufacturer wanted to pinch literal pennies on packaging.
Stapling a box is, admittedly, stupid if you don't know where the item is in the box, but a certain level of idiot proofing and packaging protection should be levied against the manufacturer, such that a staple shouldn't damage the thing inside.
If you've never dealt with mass package handling and transport, you probably don't understand how infuriating this issue can be. We see the motivation for this causing other issues too, society wide, where the pursuit and prioritization of money (i.e greed) is destroying us, through things like outsourcing, Chinesium knockoffs everywhere, open borders and mass non-white immigration to drive down wages, feminism to push women into the workforce run masse to drive labor costs down further, diversity in IT and coding resulting in ennumerable headaches and shit code, diversity hired building shittier products, such that it's sometimes killing people (like that bridge collapse by the all women engineer team), companies competing against each other in a death spiral of becoming cheaper and cheaper, making worse products with cheaper materials, to the detriment and harm of the people.
Nice giant post... But in this case, it's you at the body shop having a finished product, a complete 100% in good repair car, and slamming a hammer through it to attach a sales contract because you didn't have any tape on hand.
No it's not. Very small rocks on the ground were enough to damage parts, inside their packaging, for parts that were so large that they could only be dragged across the floor.
This is precisely what I'm talking about. Most people have no clue what's involved with mass shipment of products, and the absolutely shit level of protective packaging some manufacturers put their stuff in.
I mean Im involved with import export manufacturing on the container level so I know what youre talking about but even i dont think theres anything wrong with nintendos packaging. You can complain about greed but the fact is the packaging works? If some idiot hadnt stapled the boxes, the consumer would have received a working switch 2 like everyone else did
Do you inspect products before and after transit, to check for damage at the end point? There's a certain level of protection a package has to provide when it's moved individually by actual people, and not in containers, box trucks, or forklifts (where very little can be done to protect contents due to industrial mishaps), so that minor things like a staple, a rock on the ground, or a momentary impulse of force will damage the interior contents. Cheap packaging produces a lot more damaged products at the end point, but companies keep making cheap packaging because pennies saved over bulk boxing results in a slightly higher amount than replacing the damaged contents, because a lot of that damage burden is placed on middle men (like GameStop in this example).
The excuse that most people in this thread keep saying is that "but all electronics are now packaged like that", tacitly suggesting that nothing happens to electronics due to less protective packaging, which is false, and that it's fine because everyone does it, which is also false. Lots and lots of electronics get damaged in transit due to cheap packaging.
I don't disagree that the GameStop in question should have checked the contents before stapling something to the box, but the very need for them to check how bad the packaging is highlights how bad the problem actually is. If the contents were properly protected, they wouldn't need to check to see if a staple would damage it, because electronics used to be protected by foam or cardboard inserts to keep them away from the outside surface of the box.
But, what is worse to you, a single store's momentary incompetence damaging a product, or entire sectors becoming cheaper over time resulting in the damage seen from that store's momentary incompetence? I think the malignant greed of companies and the steady cheapening of society is far, far worse.
You might have a point IF there were mass reports of nintendo switches arriving with cracked screens etc. but there arent, so nintendo isnt just shipping shit randomly like the first group of manufacturers you mention, and other than this particular incident where its clearly user error, i havent seen anyone else complain about the condition they got their switch 2 in. So in that case, is nintendo more like the first group of manufacturers you mention or more like honda?
The point stands, that if Nintendo, or any other electronics manufacturer, puts a screen directly against surface cardboard, they're incompetent and greedy. A simply cardboard insert to put space between the screen and outside cardboard is pennies, perhaps less than a penny, per box. At some level, I agree with you, that the manufacturer can't design their packaging to protect against everything, but...
This is how companies manipulate people into defending their greed, and you've fallen in the trap. Degradation of merit and quality has been accelerating due to rampant greed for decades, and here you are, defending it, by taking an isolated case of plausible deniability on a seller, and completely missing the forest for the trees. These companies are not worth defending. They absolutely deserve to be shamed for their penny pinching and greed.
On the course you're arguing for, we're going to keep seeing this degradation of merit and quality.
The point stands, that if Nintendo, or any other electronics manufacturer, puts a screen directly against surface cardboard, they're incompetent and greedy.
You, apparently, have not bought any handheld electronic devices since the early 2000s.
Another person actively defending the penny pinching and greed of manufacturers.
Evil people, greedy people, malignant people, don't get you from point A to point Z all in one go. They move you, step by step, to where they want you to go. They normalize and propagandize the virtues of B, while demonizing A. When people accept B as normal, they do the same thing to C, and then to D, and so on, until they get you to the end point. Through normalization and propaganda, they actually get the people they're subverting and hurting to actively defend what's happening.
Just because something has become normalized, does not make it right. Are you seriously trying to argue that the modern world is fine, because a majority might support it? Do you think a company's greed is fine, if all the other companies started practicing the same type of greed?
Is KiA2 not supposed to be more discerning of this type of behavior from companies?
I used to work in a body shop for repairing cars. I'd order, check in, and deliver all the various parts to the mechanics and techs. We repaired all manner of cars from various manufacturers.
Some manufacturers delivered their parts in the most minimal and shittiest of packaging, not caring about the rigors of transport and handling, letting tons of parts be destroyed because they'd rather put it on the customer and pinch pennies in packaging, so the CEOs could make even more money. Other manufacturers, though, took more pride in their work, and the packaging showed it, as those parts almost never arrived damaged (like Honda, for example).
Packaging is supposed to protect the product inside from typical transportation and handling. If an electronic distributor is putting sensitive electronic equipment, like a screen, directly next to thin surface cardboard, such that any bump on a sharp corner, drop, rock on the ground, or a staple would damage it, I'd put that directly on the manufacturer and distributor, for being so monumentally stupid that they wouldn't invest an extra penny or two to add foam or a card board separator to put distance between the item inside to the surface cardboard. It sounds identical to certain car manufacturers who packaged their plastic fascia bumpers in thin plastic (like something that holds the cereal in a cereal box), with no other protection, and then act surprised when they're scratched and gouged to hell when they arrive at their destination, putting more work on the techs to repair them, on the body shop guys to reject and return them, on the drivers to take them back and bring another one, and on the parts distributors for having to file a claim on them and reorder another part, just because the manufacturer wanted to pinch literal pennies on packaging.
Stapling a box is, admittedly, stupid if you don't know where the item is in the box, but a certain level of idiot proofing and packaging protection should be levied against the manufacturer, such that a staple shouldn't damage the thing inside.
If you've never dealt with mass package handling and transport, you probably don't understand how infuriating this issue can be. We see the motivation for this causing other issues too, society wide, where the pursuit and prioritization of money (i.e greed) is destroying us, through things like outsourcing, Chinesium knockoffs everywhere, open borders and mass non-white immigration to drive down wages, feminism to push women into the workforce run masse to drive labor costs down further, diversity in IT and coding resulting in ennumerable headaches and shit code, diversity hired building shittier products, such that it's sometimes killing people (like that bridge collapse by the all women engineer team), companies competing against each other in a death spiral of becoming cheaper and cheaper, making worse products with cheaper materials, to the detriment and harm of the people.
Nice giant post... But in this case, it's you at the body shop having a finished product, a complete 100% in good repair car, and slamming a hammer through it to attach a sales contract because you didn't have any tape on hand.
No it's not. Very small rocks on the ground were enough to damage parts, inside their packaging, for parts that were so large that they could only be dragged across the floor.
This is precisely what I'm talking about. Most people have no clue what's involved with mass shipment of products, and the absolutely shit level of protective packaging some manufacturers put their stuff in.
I mean Im involved with import export manufacturing on the container level so I know what youre talking about but even i dont think theres anything wrong with nintendos packaging. You can complain about greed but the fact is the packaging works? If some idiot hadnt stapled the boxes, the consumer would have received a working switch 2 like everyone else did
Do you inspect products before and after transit, to check for damage at the end point? There's a certain level of protection a package has to provide when it's moved individually by actual people, and not in containers, box trucks, or forklifts (where very little can be done to protect contents due to industrial mishaps), so that minor things like a staple, a rock on the ground, or a momentary impulse of force will damage the interior contents. Cheap packaging produces a lot more damaged products at the end point, but companies keep making cheap packaging because pennies saved over bulk boxing results in a slightly higher amount than replacing the damaged contents, because a lot of that damage burden is placed on middle men (like GameStop in this example).
The excuse that most people in this thread keep saying is that "but all electronics are now packaged like that", tacitly suggesting that nothing happens to electronics due to less protective packaging, which is false, and that it's fine because everyone does it, which is also false. Lots and lots of electronics get damaged in transit due to cheap packaging.
I don't disagree that the GameStop in question should have checked the contents before stapling something to the box, but the very need for them to check how bad the packaging is highlights how bad the problem actually is. If the contents were properly protected, they wouldn't need to check to see if a staple would damage it, because electronics used to be protected by foam or cardboard inserts to keep them away from the outside surface of the box.
But, what is worse to you, a single store's momentary incompetence damaging a product, or entire sectors becoming cheaper over time resulting in the damage seen from that store's momentary incompetence? I think the malignant greed of companies and the steady cheapening of society is far, far worse.
You might have a point IF there were mass reports of nintendo switches arriving with cracked screens etc. but there arent, so nintendo isnt just shipping shit randomly like the first group of manufacturers you mention, and other than this particular incident where its clearly user error, i havent seen anyone else complain about the condition they got their switch 2 in. So in that case, is nintendo more like the first group of manufacturers you mention or more like honda?
The point stands, that if Nintendo, or any other electronics manufacturer, puts a screen directly against surface cardboard, they're incompetent and greedy. A simply cardboard insert to put space between the screen and outside cardboard is pennies, perhaps less than a penny, per box. At some level, I agree with you, that the manufacturer can't design their packaging to protect against everything, but...
This is how companies manipulate people into defending their greed, and you've fallen in the trap. Degradation of merit and quality has been accelerating due to rampant greed for decades, and here you are, defending it, by taking an isolated case of plausible deniability on a seller, and completely missing the forest for the trees. These companies are not worth defending. They absolutely deserve to be shamed for their penny pinching and greed.
On the course you're arguing for, we're going to keep seeing this degradation of merit and quality.
You, apparently, have not bought any handheld electronic devices since the early 2000s.
Another person actively defending the penny pinching and greed of manufacturers.
Evil people, greedy people, malignant people, don't get you from point A to point Z all in one go. They move you, step by step, to where they want you to go. They normalize and propagandize the virtues of B, while demonizing A. When people accept B as normal, they do the same thing to C, and then to D, and so on, until they get you to the end point. Through normalization and propaganda, they actually get the people they're subverting and hurting to actively defend what's happening.
Just because something has become normalized, does not make it right. Are you seriously trying to argue that the modern world is fine, because a majority might support it? Do you think a company's greed is fine, if all the other companies started practicing the same type of greed?
Is KiA2 not supposed to be more discerning of this type of behavior from companies?