From this thread under the title "Today i found out that Hamas has a covenant. Someone really needs to send this to Hasanabi. He's a communist that loves Hamas but he hates nazis. Does he know that Hamas has nazi ideology and they read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Its mentioned in the full version of the covenant." by OP Telia prior to its deletion.
I don't know who erased it or why it was deleted, but it existed and so therefore Telia thought it was worth sharing.
The new title for this thread is "Hamas covenant. Someone needs to send this to Hasanabi. He's a commie that loves Hamas but he hates nazis. Does he know that Hamas has nazi ideology and accuses their enemies of spreading communism & they read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Its mentioned in the full version of the covenant"
My thoughts are that covenant means 'promise', a binding agreement that something will, or will not, happen.
Within the text shown on the image no such agreement was put forth. Instead a statement of observations were presented without any evidence to substantiate them.
Some of, or indeed all of, these observations could be true. But there is no covenant shown anywhere within them.
You can hate whatever groups you want to for whatever reasons you want. But, when trying to communicate your thoughts, try to make sense.
Doing otherwise makes your thoughts look foolish and those following them even moreso.
Fair enough. But reposting it AS a covenant is fake news. The word "Covenant" only shows up once in the original document and it is to 'quote' from the Quran:
Ye are the best of Peoples, evolved for humanity,
enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong,
and believing in Allah. If only the People of the
Book had faith, it were best for them: among
them are some who have faith, but most of them
are perverted transgressors. They will do you no
harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come
out to fight you, they will show you their backs,
and no help shall they get. Shame is pitched over
them (like a tent) wherever they are found, except
when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah
and from people; they draw on themselves wrath
from Allah and pitched over them is (the tent of)
destitution. This because they rejected the signs
of Allah, and slew the Prophets in defiance of
right; his because they rebelled and transgressed
beyond bounds.
The Holy Quran Sura 3: Ali-'Imran:110-11
Now you have to remember that their original "Covenant" is translated from Arabic and the Quran is meant to be read in Arabic as it has never once been translated beyond what is considered the divine form it was created in. So we have translation typos here. The word "Covenant" is used only once and it is taken from a different document which is alleged to be the very word of god himself spoken through Gabriel to the Islamic prophet.
To try and water all of this down to some sort of comparable route to what is going on with Israel and Palestine is to make a mockery of those who you are asking to accept it as fact.
I'm not a person of faith and so I don't have any qualms about about who may be more right in their beliefs than someone else's - but I don't mock those with faith. That is their most precious gift and something which only they are truly know.
Misquoting, or worse yet purposefully relaying lies, only leads to more death. And that only leads to more again. So on and so forth.
This is the image in case it gets deleted again
From this thread under the title "Today i found out that Hamas has a covenant. Someone really needs to send this to Hasanabi. He's a communist that loves Hamas but he hates nazis. Does he know that Hamas has nazi ideology and they read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Its mentioned in the full version of the covenant." by OP Telia prior to its deletion.
I don't know who erased it or why it was deleted, but it existed and so therefore Telia thought it was worth sharing.
The new title for this thread is "Hamas covenant. Someone needs to send this to Hasanabi. He's a commie that loves Hamas but he hates nazis. Does he know that Hamas has nazi ideology and accuses their enemies of spreading communism & they read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Its mentioned in the full version of the covenant"
My thoughts are that covenant means 'promise', a binding agreement that something will, or will not, happen.
Within the text shown on the image no such agreement was put forth. Instead a statement of observations were presented without any evidence to substantiate them.
Some of, or indeed all of, these observations could be true. But there is no covenant shown anywhere within them.
You can hate whatever groups you want to for whatever reasons you want. But, when trying to communicate your thoughts, try to make sense.
Doing otherwise makes your thoughts look foolish and those following them even moreso.
well yeah i deleted it and reposted it with a better title. . I would have changed the title but there's no edit button for the title. .
And the covenant is in this link. https://archive.md/7YnAF
I didn't call it a covenant. They did.
Fair enough. But reposting it AS a covenant is fake news. The word "Covenant" only shows up once in the original document and it is to 'quote' from the Quran:
Now you have to remember that their original "Covenant" is translated from Arabic and the Quran is meant to be read in Arabic as it has never once been translated beyond what is considered the divine form it was created in. So we have translation typos here. The word "Covenant" is used only once and it is taken from a different document which is alleged to be the very word of god himself spoken through Gabriel to the Islamic prophet.
To try and water all of this down to some sort of comparable route to what is going on with Israel and Palestine is to make a mockery of those who you are asking to accept it as fact.
I'm not a person of faith and so I don't have any qualms about about who may be more right in their beliefs than someone else's - but I don't mock those with faith. That is their most precious gift and something which only they are truly know.
Misquoting, or worse yet purposefully relaying lies, only leads to more death. And that only leads to more again. So on and so forth.
Be a better Nazi Telia :)
That's just excerpts. The whole charter is linked there too.
https://archive.md/mnKMm