Yeah. I'm willing to acknowledge we don't know the full story, and it does sound like Austin probably got physical first - very lightly by the sounds of it, but still - but all witness accounts still paint Karmelo in the wrong, in a big way. And his 'thug life' pictures and general psychotic attitude aren't doing him any favors. He picked a fight, and he wanted to hurt or kill someone, in that moment when he did.
He was where he shouldn't have been, he was belligerent, he threatened people, and then he followed through on it. None of that is self defense. His defenders don't care in the slightest, and many are acting like he's some hero for civil rights.
Likely result of new evidence will be the reveal that Karmelo was trying to steal stuff from unoccupied tents (hence the knife) and unfortunately for him picked an occupied one instead of an empty one.
I’m sure Austin was bullying him, that’s not the point.
How many of us were bullied in high school or actually got into fist fights and then pulled out a knife and stabbed the bully in the chest (not the leg, hand, stomach- in the heart)
Sure I dreamed of it - but wouldn’t actually do it because that’s LETHAL FORCE.
They don’t have to have known each other or had a history for Austin to have been bullying
Yeah, I'm not going to condemn the dead kid without some real solid evidence. And I've already said he probably got physical first.
Also, if we're going to argue definitions, bullying - although not a requirement technically - is generally presumed to have an ongoing time factor; it's ongoing and repetitive. A first encounter would not meet the status of bullying, as most people think of it.
Another requirement of bullying is trying to dominate, and the belief that you're better than or above the victim you're bullying. There's no evidence of that here; Karmelo was where he wasn't supposed to be, and was asked to leave. That's not bullying; he was literally in the wrong.
...for Austin to have been bullying him by aggressively trying to get him to leave the tent.
Again, that's not bullying. It can be, sure, but it's not inherently. Especially with Karmelo's attitude.
So, yeah, I'm not jumping on the 'Austin was a bully' narrative. He may have behaved in an ill-advised manner, but that's about it, and that's mostly in hindsight. If Karmelo hadn't stabbed him to death, and had simply left, no one would have though less of Austin's behavior. It's only because he was murdered that we can pick apart his minor "failings" in the interaction.
Yeah. I'm willing to acknowledge we don't know the full story, and it does sound like Austin probably got physical first - very lightly by the sounds of it, but still - but all witness accounts still paint Karmelo in the wrong, in a big way. And his 'thug life' pictures and general psychotic attitude aren't doing him any favors. He picked a fight, and he wanted to hurt or kill someone, in that moment when he did.
He was where he shouldn't have been, he was belligerent, he threatened people, and then he followed through on it. None of that is self defense. His defenders don't care in the slightest, and many are acting like he's some hero for civil rights.
Likely result of new evidence will be the reveal that Karmelo was trying to steal stuff from unoccupied tents (hence the knife) and unfortunately for him picked an occupied one instead of an empty one.
Exactly. It’s all so tiresome
I’m sure Austin was bullying him, that’s not the point.
How many of us were bullied in high school or actually got into fist fights and then pulled out a knife and stabbed the bully in the chest (not the leg, hand, stomach- in the heart)
Sure I dreamed of it - but wouldn’t actually do it because that’s LETHAL FORCE.
Guy admitted this was the first time the two met
I didn't say bullying, and I don't think he was. And, by all current information, they didn't even know each other.
I want to be very clear: I did not say, and I have no information that would lead me to believe, that Austin Metcalf was bullying anyone.
They don’t have to have known each other or had a history for Austin to have been bullying him by aggressively trying to get him to leave the tent.
I’m not saying Karmelo is some innocent either as he engaged with lethal force where it was unwarranted.
Wait, stopping a thief from rummaging through other people's stuff is bullying? Bullying is a pattern of behavior not one interaction
Yeah, I'm not going to condemn the dead kid without some real solid evidence. And I've already said he probably got physical first.
Also, if we're going to argue definitions, bullying - although not a requirement technically - is generally presumed to have an ongoing time factor; it's ongoing and repetitive. A first encounter would not meet the status of bullying, as most people think of it.
Another requirement of bullying is trying to dominate, and the belief that you're better than or above the victim you're bullying. There's no evidence of that here; Karmelo was where he wasn't supposed to be, and was asked to leave. That's not bullying; he was literally in the wrong.
Again, that's not bullying. It can be, sure, but it's not inherently. Especially with Karmelo's attitude.
So, yeah, I'm not jumping on the 'Austin was a bully' narrative. He may have behaved in an ill-advised manner, but that's about it, and that's mostly in hindsight. If Karmelo hadn't stabbed him to death, and had simply left, no one would have though less of Austin's behavior. It's only because he was murdered that we can pick apart his minor "failings" in the interaction.
Ok nigger.