The question is whether it's a 'child', not whether it's 'life'.
It’s not, there’s no argument a fetus is a child by every single metric. The only debate that occurs is whether it is alive and/or even if it is alive does it have rights.
Give me a break. A 5 week fetus can't even feel pain.
False, even zygotes can feel pain in the regards to reacting to stimuli, a 5 week fetus has functioning nerves, it can most certainly feel pain.
Do you also want to prosecute women who are raped or violated with incest, who have abortions?
Do you want to murder the children of people who commit crimes?
The only debate that occurs is whether it is alive and/or even if it is alive does it have rights.
It's alive. But it doesn't follow that there should be no distinction made between 5 weeks and 36 weeks.
False, even zygotes can feel pain in the regards to reacting to stimuli,
Nonsense. An aversive reaction - which even bacteria have - is not the same as consciousness.
Do you want to murder the children of people who commit crimes?
And this is where this goes completely off the rails. I don't think rapists should be able to pick the mother of their choosing. If someone's life was dependent on me for 9 months, and I never asked for it, I'll disconnect that and let it die even if it were Einstein or Vivaldi.
It's alive. But it doesn't follow that there should be no distinction made between 5 weeks and 36 weeks.
What’s your distinction? Again everything is there at 5 weeks, the only thing that occurs after is development.
Nonsense. An aversive reaction - which even bacteria have - is not the same as consciousness.
Consciousness is not a basis of life by any definition, people in a coma are unconscious but alive, people asleep are unconscious but alive.
And this is where this goes completely off the rails. I don't think rapists should be able to pick the mother of their choosing. If someone's life was dependent on me for 9 months, and I never asked for it, I'll disconnect that and let it die even if it were Einstein or Vivaldi.
Then you agree we should be able to eliminate the children of murderers. There’s a reason rapists serve time comparable to murder and that basis was formed before abortion was legalized, do you know why that is?
Again everything is there at 5 weeks, the only thing that occurs after is development.
The blueprint is there at day 1. All that occurs afterwards is development. Yet it's clear that a fertilized egg is quite different from an actual child.
Consciousness is not a basis of life by any definition
I didn't say that it is, which is why I mentioned bacteria - alive but not conscious, and able to react to aversive stimuli.
Then you agree we should be able to eliminate the children of murderers
Like I said, it'd have positive social impact, but no. I'm not sure you got my point. If I attach a human to you and it will die if you detach it, are you obliged to keep him attached to you?
There’s a reason rapists serve time comparable to murder and that basis was formed before abortion was legalized, do you know why that is?
Blow me away, but please include where you got that 'reason' so I know it does not come from you.
The blueprint is there at day 1. All that occurs afterwards is development. Yet it's clear that a fertilized egg is quite different from an actual child.
Blueprint is far different than functioning organs, which is week 5. Again there’s very little difference between a week 5 fetus and a newborn, the only difference is growth of organs that are already there.
I didn't say that it is, which is why I mentioned bacteria - alive but not conscious, and able to react to aversive stimuli.
And what is consciousness? It’s a very weak argument to make as a basis of anything. The average person spends 1/4-1/2 of their entire lives in an unconscious state. So what is the relevance of consciousness?
Like I said, it'd have positive social impact, but no. I'm not sure you got my point. If I attach a human to you and it will die if you detach it, are you obliged to keep him attached to you?
Yes? It’s literally 9 months, if you can’t take 9 months of your life to care for someone else then there’s no functional basis for society. In every similar instance to abortion people go to prison or pay massively for child abandonment, gross negligence, medical malpractice, manslaughter, etc. abortion is the exception versus the standard.
As far as why rape is treated as such, here’s the basis from the Bible itself.
It’s not, there’s no argument a fetus is a child by every single metric. The only debate that occurs is whether it is alive and/or even if it is alive does it have rights.
False, even zygotes can feel pain in the regards to reacting to stimuli, a 5 week fetus has functioning nerves, it can most certainly feel pain.
Do you want to murder the children of people who commit crimes?
It's alive. But it doesn't follow that there should be no distinction made between 5 weeks and 36 weeks.
Nonsense. An aversive reaction - which even bacteria have - is not the same as consciousness.
And this is where this goes completely off the rails. I don't think rapists should be able to pick the mother of their choosing. If someone's life was dependent on me for 9 months, and I never asked for it, I'll disconnect that and let it die even if it were Einstein or Vivaldi.
What’s your distinction? Again everything is there at 5 weeks, the only thing that occurs after is development.
Consciousness is not a basis of life by any definition, people in a coma are unconscious but alive, people asleep are unconscious but alive.
Then you agree we should be able to eliminate the children of murderers. There’s a reason rapists serve time comparable to murder and that basis was formed before abortion was legalized, do you know why that is?
The blueprint is there at day 1. All that occurs afterwards is development. Yet it's clear that a fertilized egg is quite different from an actual child.
I didn't say that it is, which is why I mentioned bacteria - alive but not conscious, and able to react to aversive stimuli.
Like I said, it'd have positive social impact, but no. I'm not sure you got my point. If I attach a human to you and it will die if you detach it, are you obliged to keep him attached to you?
Blow me away, but please include where you got that 'reason' so I know it does not come from you.
Blueprint is far different than functioning organs, which is week 5. Again there’s very little difference between a week 5 fetus and a newborn, the only difference is growth of organs that are already there.
And what is consciousness? It’s a very weak argument to make as a basis of anything. The average person spends 1/4-1/2 of their entire lives in an unconscious state. So what is the relevance of consciousness?
Yes? It’s literally 9 months, if you can’t take 9 months of your life to care for someone else then there’s no functional basis for society. In every similar instance to abortion people go to prison or pay massively for child abandonment, gross negligence, medical malpractice, manslaughter, etc. abortion is the exception versus the standard.
As far as why rape is treated as such, here’s the basis from the Bible itself.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html