Unlike a lot of people around this sub, I don't feel the need to get daily praise by screaming how much I hate X group and reaffirming how much I totally hate it the most. But I can promise you its there, though the flame isn't seething because I escaped and live in an area with a rounding error low amount now.
I mean the kind of heresy-hunting idiocy that only gets in the way of accomplishing your goals.
You should come to more American churches then, its the pinnacle of Right-wing heresy hunting to shame and browbeat congregants into political positions. We talk about the Progressive pastors in the news a lot, but Southern churches especially are hives of a handful of 40 something women demanding you disown your daughter for her tattoo.
there are plenty of reasons to despise Crenshaw.
There are, but that was the one that started the flip. Remember before that he was a darling of T_D because that ghoul from SNL mocking him for losing an eye. It shot him from random politician to another MAGA face, before his red flag stance had him abandoned quick.
Which is a position you can come back from, but he continued to triple down and defend it with his ego until now he has basically no real love around him. Just a forgotten random Congress loser.
I haven't heard Trump supporting it, but he says a lot of shit that its hard to keep up. And, unlike Crenshaw, he doesn't seem to have ever pushed anything about it other than talking about it if he had. Which is one of his strengths, saying some wild shit and then acting based on the reaction.
But I can promise you its there, though the flame isn't seething because I escaped and live in an area with a rounding error low amount now.
So it's blacks. But it sounds to me like it's more of a reaction from the stuff that happens around you. It's different from Imp or the 'noticers' here who work themselves in a fever frenzy over things that they read online.
You should come to more American churches then, its the pinnacle of Right-wing heresy hunting to shame and browbeat congregants into political positions. We talk about the Progressive pastors in the news a lot, but Southern churches especially are hives of a handful of 40 something women demanding you disown your daughter for her tattoo.
Man, there is no escape from crazy, is there? And I say that as someone who despises tattoos...
There are, but that was the one that started the flip. Remember before that he was a darling of T_D because that ghoul from SNL mocking him for losing an eye. It shot him from random politician to another MAGA face, before his red flag stance had him abandoned quick.
I like them personally, but the MAGA people are a bit shifting in who they like and dislike. They hero-worshiped Mike Pence as that guy from Johnny Quest, only to turn on him when, let's be real, he didn't even do anything wrong - and if he did, Kamala Harris could have made herself president.
But I'm glad they turned on someone without him having criticized Trump, but on substantive positions at least. Also, the thing with Eyepatch McCain is that he gives you very little to like.
I haven't heard Trump supporting it, but he says a lot of shit that its hard to keep up.
But it sounds to me like it's more of a reaction from the stuff that happens around you. It's different from Imp or the 'noticers' here who work themselves in a fever frenzy over things that they read online.
Well I've never claimed otherwise. I grew up with them as a literal looming threat to everything in my life. And because my parents were junkies, that isn't metaphorically. There was always a real chance a random group of them would just be in my house, because drugs, breaking or stealing shit at any hour of the day.
But I think you can logically come to hate a group through seeing their works and actions even if you aren't directly experiencing it. It'll lack the same passion/soul but the damage is still damage even if its over there instead of right here.
Though my time in the MRA circles does agree with you that people who spend their day whining about it online fail to really grow any "principle" out of their hate. Its just mindlessly reactionary, which means they can't actually name an endgoal or often anything beyond memes. They let their emotional reaction run it all.
They hero-worshiped Mike Pence as that guy from Johnny Quest, only to turn on him when, let's be real, he didn't even do anything wrong
He didn't do anything to bring dislike upon him early on, and showed a lot of good appearances. But his final act was to protect the Establishment over Trump and the entire team that made him not a completely forgotten nobody of history. Considering Trump/T_D builds itself on being anti-The Establishment most of the time, turning on him is completely sensical even if you think it was the "right choice."
I guess he flooded the zone with MAGA is well.
Well he was retarded for that and I won't say otherwise. Though I will admit he gets a lot more leeway than Crenshaw because he brings a lot of positives to the table regardless and has way more power to effect change.
That's not me making excuses for it, its just I can name dozens of positions Trump has (and quite a few he flipped on too) whereas Eyepatch was known for just that at the time. It was his defining thing and it was bad, yet he kept tripling down on it. And because he had nothing else, he could be "discarded" while Trump might be the only chance for a lot of the fight to continue.
In the same way that most Trump supporters ignore his vaxx stances in 2020 too, yet lambast a lot of guys for similar.
Well I've never claimed otherwise. I grew up with them as a literal looming threat to everything in my life. And because my parents were junkies, that isn't metaphorically. There was always a real chance a random group of them would just be in my house, because drugs, breaking or stealing shit at any hour of the day.
You've seen some stuff. I knew parts of it, but that it's this bad?
But I think you can logically come to hate a group through seeing their works and actions even if you aren't directly experiencing it. It'll lack the same passion/soul but the damage is still damage even if its over there instead of right here.
You can... potentially. But you can also be in an echochamber where you are convinced that group X is bad because the echochamber is only posting bad things about them. Why do you think feminists hate men so much? It's because in their world, they focus on "bad things men do to women". Imp focuses on "bad things women do to men", and makes up a good number of conspiracies to bolster his hatred so that it's now self-sustaining.
Its just mindlessly reactionary, which means they can't actually name an endgoal or often anything beyond memes. They let their emotional reaction run it all.
That is the sense that I get from these Stormfags. They have no endgoal that they are willing to admit to.
He didn't do anything to bring dislike upon him early on, and showed a lot of good appearances. But his final act was to protect the Establishment over Trump and the entire team that made him not a completely forgotten nobody of history. Considering Trump/T_D builds itself on being anti-The Establishment most of the time, turning on him is completely sensical even if you think it was the "right choice."
It's one thing to go from being neutral to hating someone. But to worship someone for four years and then make him Public Enemy No. 1. I mean, you could wonder that maybe he had a point.
Mike Pence, of course, was a neocon. I'm not really a fan of him. And I don't like the establishment. But even Pence siding with the establishment can be the correct decision, if DJT is making unreasonable demands.
Well he was retarded for that and I won't say otherwise. Though I will admit he gets a lot more leeway than Crenshaw because he brings a lot of positives to the table regardless and has way more power to effect change.
This does make sense. Crenshaw brings nothing to the table, and plenty of bad things. I just wonder about the logic of it. People say "I hate Crenshaw because of red flag laws". That doesn't make any sense - because that would apply to Trump. They don't say "I hate Crenshaw because of ... and because there is nothing to make up for it".
In the same way that most Trump supporters ignore his vaxx stances in 2020 too, yet lambast a lot of guys for similar.
I'm banned from talking about my childhood in the house, by both my wife and former roommates. If that tells you enough.
But you can also be in an echochamber where you are convinced that group X is bad because the echochamber is only posting bad things about them.
Well most people want to live off memes and injokes instead of actually grappling with the idea. They want to be part of the group, so they will just adopt surface level traits of it and then begin to virtue signal. You can't stop such retardation, the same way you can't uplift normies or savages.
But I think most people don't fall for echo chambers because of the strength of the echo, they fall for it because its what they wanted to hear. Imp wanted to hate women (for some personal reason I never found out) and so he built a case to do so, as do feminists who start out afraid of men (due to trauma or paranoia) and then build an ideology to make that seem "correct and normal."
And I've found most of the time, these echo chambers start by someone wanting to feel like a contrarian, a rebel, and a martyr. Most "racist" ideologies start that way online, by someone who feels cool saying Nigger/Faggot/Kike/etc. and gets off on people hating them. And from there they build an ideology to "justify" it.
But to worship someone for four years and then make him Public Enemy No. 1. I mean, you could wonder that maybe he had a point.
I don't think its any different than being great friends with your brother's wife for years and then flipping on her when she cheats on him and a divorce happens. Major, image changing decisions can and should cause people to be treated with consequence.
In his case, it was to be discarded to the winds of history as a nobody and a snake.
People say "I hate Crenshaw because of red flag laws".
Most people are smarter than given credit for, but they can't verbalize or conceptualize it. In fact, asking them to do so will often talk them into dumber spots.
So they by learned instinct recognize Crenshaw brings nothing to the table, and would be nothing without their support that made him more than a faceless Congresscritter, so they can turn on him on a dime. While Trump clearly is much harder to do so because they logically know his value, so he is given leeway.
Now those people should work to improve their ability to verbalize the logic for themselves, but again you can't uplift normies very much.
Unlike a lot of people around this sub, I don't feel the need to get daily praise by screaming how much I hate X group and reaffirming how much I totally hate it the most. But I can promise you its there, though the flame isn't seething because I escaped and live in an area with a rounding error low amount now.
You should come to more American churches then, its the pinnacle of Right-wing heresy hunting to shame and browbeat congregants into political positions. We talk about the Progressive pastors in the news a lot, but Southern churches especially are hives of a handful of 40 something women demanding you disown your daughter for her tattoo.
There are, but that was the one that started the flip. Remember before that he was a darling of T_D because that ghoul from SNL mocking him for losing an eye. It shot him from random politician to another MAGA face, before his red flag stance had him abandoned quick.
Which is a position you can come back from, but he continued to triple down and defend it with his ego until now he has basically no real love around him. Just a forgotten random Congress loser.
I haven't heard Trump supporting it, but he says a lot of shit that its hard to keep up. And, unlike Crenshaw, he doesn't seem to have ever pushed anything about it other than talking about it if he had. Which is one of his strengths, saying some wild shit and then acting based on the reaction.
So it's blacks. But it sounds to me like it's more of a reaction from the stuff that happens around you. It's different from Imp or the 'noticers' here who work themselves in a fever frenzy over things that they read online.
Man, there is no escape from crazy, is there? And I say that as someone who despises tattoos...
I like them personally, but the MAGA people are a bit shifting in who they like and dislike. They hero-worshiped Mike Pence as that guy from Johnny Quest, only to turn on him when, let's be real, he didn't even do anything wrong - and if he did, Kamala Harris could have made herself president.
But I'm glad they turned on someone without him having criticized Trump, but on substantive positions at least. Also, the thing with Eyepatch McCain is that he gives you very little to like.
I guess he flooded the zone with MAGA is well.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/05/trump-backs-red-flag-laws-could-impact-veterans-gun-ownership.html
Well I've never claimed otherwise. I grew up with them as a literal looming threat to everything in my life. And because my parents were junkies, that isn't metaphorically. There was always a real chance a random group of them would just be in my house, because drugs, breaking or stealing shit at any hour of the day.
But I think you can logically come to hate a group through seeing their works and actions even if you aren't directly experiencing it. It'll lack the same passion/soul but the damage is still damage even if its over there instead of right here.
Though my time in the MRA circles does agree with you that people who spend their day whining about it online fail to really grow any "principle" out of their hate. Its just mindlessly reactionary, which means they can't actually name an endgoal or often anything beyond memes. They let their emotional reaction run it all.
He didn't do anything to bring dislike upon him early on, and showed a lot of good appearances. But his final act was to protect the Establishment over Trump and the entire team that made him not a completely forgotten nobody of history. Considering Trump/T_D builds itself on being anti-The Establishment most of the time, turning on him is completely sensical even if you think it was the "right choice."
Well he was retarded for that and I won't say otherwise. Though I will admit he gets a lot more leeway than Crenshaw because he brings a lot of positives to the table regardless and has way more power to effect change.
That's not me making excuses for it, its just I can name dozens of positions Trump has (and quite a few he flipped on too) whereas Eyepatch was known for just that at the time. It was his defining thing and it was bad, yet he kept tripling down on it. And because he had nothing else, he could be "discarded" while Trump might be the only chance for a lot of the fight to continue.
In the same way that most Trump supporters ignore his vaxx stances in 2020 too, yet lambast a lot of guys for similar.
You've seen some stuff. I knew parts of it, but that it's this bad?
You can... potentially. But you can also be in an echochamber where you are convinced that group X is bad because the echochamber is only posting bad things about them. Why do you think feminists hate men so much? It's because in their world, they focus on "bad things men do to women". Imp focuses on "bad things women do to men", and makes up a good number of conspiracies to bolster his hatred so that it's now self-sustaining.
That is the sense that I get from these Stormfags. They have no endgoal that they are willing to admit to.
It's one thing to go from being neutral to hating someone. But to worship someone for four years and then make him Public Enemy No. 1. I mean, you could wonder that maybe he had a point.
Mike Pence, of course, was a neocon. I'm not really a fan of him. And I don't like the establishment. But even Pence siding with the establishment can be the correct decision, if DJT is making unreasonable demands.
This does make sense. Crenshaw brings nothing to the table, and plenty of bad things. I just wonder about the logic of it. People say "I hate Crenshaw because of red flag laws". That doesn't make any sense - because that would apply to Trump. They don't say "I hate Crenshaw because of ... and because there is nothing to make up for it".
Yup.
I'm banned from talking about my childhood in the house, by both my wife and former roommates. If that tells you enough.
Well most people want to live off memes and injokes instead of actually grappling with the idea. They want to be part of the group, so they will just adopt surface level traits of it and then begin to virtue signal. You can't stop such retardation, the same way you can't uplift normies or savages.
But I think most people don't fall for echo chambers because of the strength of the echo, they fall for it because its what they wanted to hear. Imp wanted to hate women (for some personal reason I never found out) and so he built a case to do so, as do feminists who start out afraid of men (due to trauma or paranoia) and then build an ideology to make that seem "correct and normal."
And I've found most of the time, these echo chambers start by someone wanting to feel like a contrarian, a rebel, and a martyr. Most "racist" ideologies start that way online, by someone who feels cool saying Nigger/Faggot/Kike/etc. and gets off on people hating them. And from there they build an ideology to "justify" it.
I don't think its any different than being great friends with your brother's wife for years and then flipping on her when she cheats on him and a divorce happens. Major, image changing decisions can and should cause people to be treated with consequence.
In his case, it was to be discarded to the winds of history as a nobody and a snake.
Most people are smarter than given credit for, but they can't verbalize or conceptualize it. In fact, asking them to do so will often talk them into dumber spots.
So they by learned instinct recognize Crenshaw brings nothing to the table, and would be nothing without their support that made him more than a faceless Congresscritter, so they can turn on him on a dime. While Trump clearly is much harder to do so because they logically know his value, so he is given leeway.
Now those people should work to improve their ability to verbalize the logic for themselves, but again you can't uplift normies very much.