I wonder if people who fanatically defend Trump's first term are now rethinking, seeing what is possible (though he is obviously less constrained now). To me, if you ignore all the noise, it sure looked like George Bush's third term. It's no wonder that people who wanted to get things done backed Ron DeSantis, while those backing Trump hoped against hope that his appointments would be slightly less bad the second time.
I don't think people hold it against Trump as he was NEW to politics and was inexperienced to deal with the machine, coming at it with a more businessman mindset.
This term? He KNOWS where the bodies are, KNOWS who are the snakes and KNOWS if he doesn't purge they will target his family again. So he needed the first term to know what to do.
Ironically it was the Dems that fucked themselves by taking 2020 as they accidentally got rid of ALL the establishment limiters on Trump when they forced him out.
Ironically it was the Dems that fucked themselves by taking 2020 as they accidentally got rid of ALL the establishment limiters on Trump when they forced him out.
After 2020, I coped by thinking that OK, if he wins 4 years from now, that will be 4 more years that were dominated by Trump. I didn't think it would be this great.
I wonder if people who fanatically defend Trump's first term are now rethinking, seeing what is possible
I don't even know what you mean by this or who you're talking about except that you, clearly, think you're smarter than those people.
I'll defend Trump's first term as better than any other president in my lifetime despite what happened. Is that fanatical? I'll defend Trump's naivete in dealing with the swamp because I also shared that naivete -- I'd have tried to work with them in a magnanimous way too. Is that fanatical? I'll defend Trump's misplaced trust in the pharma companies because there was no way most reasonable people would have predicted that they would have lied about absolutely everything and instead produced a literal depopulation weapon, or that the next administration would go full lockdown-jab-mandate-authoritarian.
Does any of that make me a fanatic?
What's happening now is beyond any of my tempered expectations.
Smart has nothing to do with it. Also, I'm not even smart enough to watch Rick and Morty.
I'll defend Trump's first term as better than any other president in my lifetime despite what happened.
I'd actually agree with that, but that's a remarkably low bar. Also, please note that I'm talking about his administration, not about his actions.
I'll defend Trump's naivete in dealing with the swamp because I also shared that naivete -- I'd have tried to work with them in a magnanimous way too. Is that fanatical?
Not at all. But you might be misunderstanding my argument. It's not "trump sux cheeto voldemort didnu niffin in his first term". It's that his first administration didn't do much good policy-wise, except standard GOP stuff like taxes and regulation.
What's happening now is beyond any of my tempered expectations.
Hey, we agree about something. What is happening now is beyond my wildest expectations, though it's a shame Matt Gaetz didn't make it.
Do you not recall that Trump’s first term was utterly destroyed by the Russian collusion hoax? He was impeached over literal lies commissioned directly by his election opponent. They completely fucked him over.
It started in 2017 when deputy AG Rosenstein (note the name) wrote a memo recommending POTUS fire FBI director Comey for mishandling Hillary's emails. He passed the memo to Sessions who in turn passed it to Trump. Trump listened to his lackeys and fired Comey the next day. As soon as he did it WaPo published a story about the FBI secretly investigating Trump's "ties with Russia". Rosenstein saw that and said "ohh you fired the guy that was unto you, you must have something to hide!" and appointed Mueller as a special counsel to investigate "russia collusion".
It was an obvious setup from the beginning and Trump fell for it like a baby. He honestly has no one to blame but himself.
Jesus, I'm not a defender of the 90s Democrat and his first term, but this is just utterly disingenuous, even for you.
Trump did more than most people realise while still being a disappointment in certain select areas that matter. Even now while he is currently on a roll, in the grand scheme of things, I think that will happen again this time around where select areas will either be neglected, or just be outright bad decisions. Trump isn't perfect, he isn't god, and everybody needs to remember that while he is an outsider he is still ultimately a politician, and should still be treated as such rather than as any sort of idol. But this blatant revisionism to try and vilify him because you're still butthurt that DeSantis didn't win (and as someone who initially supported him, I'm glad he didn't). The issue isn't everyone else. The issue is you.
Even now while he is currently on a roll, in the grand scheme of things, I think that will happen again this time around where select areas will either be neglected, or just be outright bad decisions.
Of course. And we'll have to see what sticks. The thing is, they're trying really hard. In Trump 1, the admin and deep state wasn't trying or actively working against Trump's good instincts.
because you're still butthurt that DeSantis didn't win (and as someone who initially supported him, I'm glad he didn't).
...what? I supported Trump against DeSantis when people here were bitching about him and downvoting any pro-Trump to hell (not complaining, just pointing out what people believed).
I just pointed out that it's no wonder that people backed DeSantis, someone who actually got stuff done, as opposed to someone who didn't - at least in his first term.
I wonder if people who fanatically defend Trump's first term are now rethinking, seeing what is possible (though he is obviously less constrained now). To me, if you ignore all the noise, it sure looked like George Bush's third term. It's no wonder that people who wanted to get things done backed Ron DeSantis, while those backing Trump hoped against hope that his appointments would be slightly less bad the second time.
I don't think people hold it against Trump as he was NEW to politics and was inexperienced to deal with the machine, coming at it with a more businessman mindset.
This term? He KNOWS where the bodies are, KNOWS who are the snakes and KNOWS if he doesn't purge they will target his family again. So he needed the first term to know what to do.
Ironically it was the Dems that fucked themselves by taking 2020 as they accidentally got rid of ALL the establishment limiters on Trump when they forced him out.
After 2020, I coped by thinking that OK, if he wins 4 years from now, that will be 4 more years that were dominated by Trump. I didn't think it would be this great.
I don't even know what you mean by this or who you're talking about except that you, clearly, think you're smarter than those people.
I'll defend Trump's first term as better than any other president in my lifetime despite what happened. Is that fanatical? I'll defend Trump's naivete in dealing with the swamp because I also shared that naivete -- I'd have tried to work with them in a magnanimous way too. Is that fanatical? I'll defend Trump's misplaced trust in the pharma companies because there was no way most reasonable people would have predicted that they would have lied about absolutely everything and instead produced a literal depopulation weapon, or that the next administration would go full lockdown-jab-mandate-authoritarian.
Does any of that make me a fanatic?
What's happening now is beyond any of my tempered expectations.
Smart has nothing to do with it. Also, I'm not even smart enough to watch Rick and Morty.
I'd actually agree with that, but that's a remarkably low bar. Also, please note that I'm talking about his administration, not about his actions.
Not at all. But you might be misunderstanding my argument. It's not "trump sux cheeto voldemort didnu niffin in his first term". It's that his first administration didn't do much good policy-wise, except standard GOP stuff like taxes and regulation.
Hey, we agree about something. What is happening now is beyond my wildest expectations, though it's a shame Matt Gaetz didn't make it.
Do you not recall that Trump’s first term was utterly destroyed by the Russian collusion hoax? He was impeached over literal lies commissioned directly by his election opponent. They completely fucked him over.
Don't forget the COVID faggotry.
Trump is responsbile for the russia hoax.
It started in 2017 when deputy AG Rosenstein (note the name) wrote a memo recommending POTUS fire FBI director Comey for mishandling Hillary's emails. He passed the memo to Sessions who in turn passed it to Trump. Trump listened to his lackeys and fired Comey the next day. As soon as he did it WaPo published a story about the FBI secretly investigating Trump's "ties with Russia". Rosenstein saw that and said "ohh you fired the guy that was unto you, you must have something to hide!" and appointed Mueller as a special counsel to investigate "russia collusion".
It was an obvious setup from the beginning and Trump fell for it like a baby. He honestly has no one to blame but himself.
And much, much more - a daily drumbeat of propaganda and hoaxes back when they made a difference.
But my argument isn't that Trump sucks, it's that his first administration wasn't this massive success, particularly policy-wise.
Jesus, I'm not a defender of the 90s Democrat and his first term, but this is just utterly disingenuous, even for you.
Trump did more than most people realise while still being a disappointment in certain select areas that matter. Even now while he is currently on a roll, in the grand scheme of things, I think that will happen again this time around where select areas will either be neglected, or just be outright bad decisions. Trump isn't perfect, he isn't god, and everybody needs to remember that while he is an outsider he is still ultimately a politician, and should still be treated as such rather than as any sort of idol. But this blatant revisionism to try and vilify him because you're still butthurt that DeSantis didn't win (and as someone who initially supported him, I'm glad he didn't). The issue isn't everyone else. The issue is you.
Of course. And we'll have to see what sticks. The thing is, they're trying really hard. In Trump 1, the admin and deep state wasn't trying or actively working against Trump's good instincts.
...what? I supported Trump against DeSantis when people here were bitching about him and downvoting any pro-Trump to hell (not complaining, just pointing out what people believed).
I just pointed out that it's no wonder that people backed DeSantis, someone who actually got stuff done, as opposed to someone who didn't - at least in his first term.