The heart of most resentment is fear. They become afraid of men the first time they realize just how weak they are physically in comparison. And thinking about this too much brings about hate to push the feelings out of themselves and onto other people.
Its the same human instinct that causes the type of men who'd become typical "incels" to stop focusing on their own failure and spend endless days talking about how awful women are. Which might be true, but its also creating hate out of fear of loneliness and having to face themselves.
I wish women were as afraid of men as you and the OP seem to imply, but I'm not really prepared to give them that much credit. I think they use men's perception of their fear of men to manipulate the men who are close to them into doing what they want, and even weaponize them against other men. If they were as fearful as you think they are, they would be more concerned about the consequences of that behavior, but instead, they learn from the cradle that they can manipulate, cajole, bully and harangue the men around them into giving them what they want without consequence, and they spend their lives doing so without fear of consequence.
I wish women were as afraid of men as you and the OP seem to imply
I've spent over 2 decades being an anti-feminist, doing so long before most people here joined this "culture war," and in doing so I've had to talk to far too many feminists. From Lib Fems to Rad Fems to just Casual Feminists.
Every single one of them is overcompensating for their genuine fear of men. Like, its absurd the things they are afraid of and what they think men will do to them. Like the idea of being roofie'd is almost entirely made up, their own Feminist studies found that less than 1% of cases suspected of it actually involved any drugs and most of them just blacked out from over drinking. Yet almost every woman between 14-40 is afraid of roofies like its a regular thing and all men know where to get them if need be.
And its why they are so easily convinced of the worst ideologies, because it simply promises them protection from these paranoid scenarios. Even in ways that make no sense, as most Leftist ideologies don't.
Ironically my friend, you are the one giving them too much credit. You talk of them as if they are capable of incredible plans and thoughts, and are actually deliberately working men against each other for their own benefit. Whereas in my point of view, they are just idiots that barely grow out of childish thinking. Including the short term impulsiveness of a teenager that makes them unable to comprehend consequences proper.
You are falling into the trap of thinking of them like men, wherein we solve problems and think about consequences. But these are women, consequences barely exist in their world and they live in little bubbles of emotional rationalization instead of any logical thinking.
they are just idiots that barely grow out of childish thinking.
They never have to.
The 'Women are wonderful' effect is more powerful than anyone is willing to admit, almost to the point of reality-deformation. Women - in western society, atleast - live charmed lives without realizing it. Men get a glimpse - witness autogynephilia - but don't really understand just how powerful this effect is, and neither do women.
The problem is... when this effect breaks, it breaks hard, and badly. Things shift from 0 to a 100 really fucking quickly, in a way the woman had no way of predicting, and often leads to horrific ends for the woman in question. Survivors of whatever experience almost have to contend with shiczoprenia, as thier entire perspective of how reality works has been irrevocably broken. It's why you have some women utter the phrase 'I have to treat all men as rapist/theives/serial killers, you just don't know' with complete seriousness, and no awareness of how if you replaced 'men' with any other group just how bad that attitude would be.
Hence the neurotic fear. And women being herd animals, well...
Men, however, have no comparable effect. We deal with the entire sliding scale, from 0 to a 100, with all points inbetween. We've learned how to judge such things, how they can escalate, how they can de-escalate, when it's time to approach with caution and when it's time to leave. It's why men, which introduced to another man, can size him up in some way or fashion, even if it's just some sort of 'gut feeling'.
Mind, this is all my personal theory. So take it with a grain of salt.
I don't disagree with anything you say except for one.
Men, however, have no comparable effect.
We do have that effect, and its when "Women are wonderful" breaks for us. When a man finally has that snapping moment when women cease to be beautiful wonderful creatures and their "true nature" is no longer hidden behind waves of horny and manipulation.
It doesn't break easy, especially not as easy as it does for women. But when it does you can feel it in your soul that reality itself just isn't the same anymore. Its why a lot of older coomers used to talk about "sage mode," because it was a temporary feeling of that freedom.
Its why its just as dangerous for a man to be a slut as a woman. While he might not gain the same physical detriments and specific mental maladies as they do, it runs just as much through his own mind and perception of the world and leads to him being lost in this maddening state of forcefully seeing everything too plainly.
And while you could argue seeing the "truth" of the world is a good thing no matter what, most men do not cope well with that and end up becoming Andrew Tate level psychotic from it.
They are just idiots that barely grow put of childish thinking
On this I agree 100%, and I never meant to imply that I believe their manipulations are in any way conscious or calculated. They do it out of instinct, and to the extent that they're aware of it, it only makes them even more resentful that they are forced to cajole men into doing things for them that they are incapable of doing for themselves.
But my argument about the fear paradigm stands. I think a lot of the paranoia you describe is performative, that it is learned behavior, and that it it just another tool by which women attempt to extract sympathy, comfort and resources from men and male institutions. Again, this is not a conspiracy as TheImp always insists it is: it is just instinctive behavior.
I suppose we're having a chicken and egg argument. You seem to be arguing that the manipulative behavior is a learned adaptation by which they compensate for their innate fear of men, whereas I believe the manipulative behavior is an innate facet of female nature, and that the fear is learned. Those increasingly rare women who are more hesitant to engage in that kind of crybullying and manipulation are that way because they had a man, usually a father, who taught them that they would face consequences for doing it.
I think a lot of the paranoia you describe is performative
Some of it is, the kind they openly talk about certainly is. Like, a lot of the girls on twitter making big call out posts are clearly hyping it up for victim cred. But under that is resentment, and under that further is fear.
The ones I specifically talked to weren't openly talking about their fears. They were still trying to be manipulative as women do. You could simply see the fear if you knew how women talk and how they spin things. Reading between the lines, as it were. They aren't masters, if you are paying attention you can see the threads in their weaves and that thread is always fear.
whereas I believe the manipulative behavior is an innate facet of female nature, and that the fear is learned
I don't disagree its innate to them, that is often pure instinctive behavior. But its instinctive because they have millennia of this fear, long before any culture and modern nonsense of civilization, that forced them to create that manipulative nature to survive when they couldn't win any other way.
The minute details of it might be learned as they age to compensate, but that fear is older than that manipulative nature. Even if both are instinctively innate to them to engage in, one lead to the other. And as such the fear is much more powerful than the need to manipulate.
If you want a wild example of this, just go up to your wife and do the classic anime "wall slam" and watch their face. No matter what personality she has or puts up, unless she completely sees you as pathetically below her she will instantly show you that raw emotion. And, because women are fucked up, be instantly turned on too.
The heart of most resentment is fear. They become afraid of men the first time they realize just how weak they are physically in comparison. And thinking about this too much brings about hate to push the feelings out of themselves and onto other people.
Its the same human instinct that causes the type of men who'd become typical "incels" to stop focusing on their own failure and spend endless days talking about how awful women are. Which might be true, but its also creating hate out of fear of loneliness and having to face themselves.
I wish women were as afraid of men as you and the OP seem to imply, but I'm not really prepared to give them that much credit. I think they use men's perception of their fear of men to manipulate the men who are close to them into doing what they want, and even weaponize them against other men. If they were as fearful as you think they are, they would be more concerned about the consequences of that behavior, but instead, they learn from the cradle that they can manipulate, cajole, bully and harangue the men around them into giving them what they want without consequence, and they spend their lives doing so without fear of consequence.
I've spent over 2 decades being an anti-feminist, doing so long before most people here joined this "culture war," and in doing so I've had to talk to far too many feminists. From Lib Fems to Rad Fems to just Casual Feminists.
Every single one of them is overcompensating for their genuine fear of men. Like, its absurd the things they are afraid of and what they think men will do to them. Like the idea of being roofie'd is almost entirely made up, their own Feminist studies found that less than 1% of cases suspected of it actually involved any drugs and most of them just blacked out from over drinking. Yet almost every woman between 14-40 is afraid of roofies like its a regular thing and all men know where to get them if need be.
And its why they are so easily convinced of the worst ideologies, because it simply promises them protection from these paranoid scenarios. Even in ways that make no sense, as most Leftist ideologies don't.
Ironically my friend, you are the one giving them too much credit. You talk of them as if they are capable of incredible plans and thoughts, and are actually deliberately working men against each other for their own benefit. Whereas in my point of view, they are just idiots that barely grow out of childish thinking. Including the short term impulsiveness of a teenager that makes them unable to comprehend consequences proper.
You are falling into the trap of thinking of them like men, wherein we solve problems and think about consequences. But these are women, consequences barely exist in their world and they live in little bubbles of emotional rationalization instead of any logical thinking.
They never have to.
The 'Women are wonderful' effect is more powerful than anyone is willing to admit, almost to the point of reality-deformation. Women - in western society, atleast - live charmed lives without realizing it. Men get a glimpse - witness autogynephilia - but don't really understand just how powerful this effect is, and neither do women.
The problem is... when this effect breaks, it breaks hard, and badly. Things shift from 0 to a 100 really fucking quickly, in a way the woman had no way of predicting, and often leads to horrific ends for the woman in question. Survivors of whatever experience almost have to contend with shiczoprenia, as thier entire perspective of how reality works has been irrevocably broken. It's why you have some women utter the phrase 'I have to treat all men as rapist/theives/serial killers, you just don't know' with complete seriousness, and no awareness of how if you replaced 'men' with any other group just how bad that attitude would be.
Hence the neurotic fear. And women being herd animals, well...
Men, however, have no comparable effect. We deal with the entire sliding scale, from 0 to a 100, with all points inbetween. We've learned how to judge such things, how they can escalate, how they can de-escalate, when it's time to approach with caution and when it's time to leave. It's why men, which introduced to another man, can size him up in some way or fashion, even if it's just some sort of 'gut feeling'.
Mind, this is all my personal theory. So take it with a grain of salt.
I don't disagree with anything you say except for one.
We do have that effect, and its when "Women are wonderful" breaks for us. When a man finally has that snapping moment when women cease to be beautiful wonderful creatures and their "true nature" is no longer hidden behind waves of horny and manipulation.
It doesn't break easy, especially not as easy as it does for women. But when it does you can feel it in your soul that reality itself just isn't the same anymore. Its why a lot of older coomers used to talk about "sage mode," because it was a temporary feeling of that freedom.
Its why its just as dangerous for a man to be a slut as a woman. While he might not gain the same physical detriments and specific mental maladies as they do, it runs just as much through his own mind and perception of the world and leads to him being lost in this maddening state of forcefully seeing everything too plainly.
And while you could argue seeing the "truth" of the world is a good thing no matter what, most men do not cope well with that and end up becoming Andrew Tate level psychotic from it.
On this I agree 100%, and I never meant to imply that I believe their manipulations are in any way conscious or calculated. They do it out of instinct, and to the extent that they're aware of it, it only makes them even more resentful that they are forced to cajole men into doing things for them that they are incapable of doing for themselves.
But my argument about the fear paradigm stands. I think a lot of the paranoia you describe is performative, that it is learned behavior, and that it it just another tool by which women attempt to extract sympathy, comfort and resources from men and male institutions. Again, this is not a conspiracy as TheImp always insists it is: it is just instinctive behavior.
I suppose we're having a chicken and egg argument. You seem to be arguing that the manipulative behavior is a learned adaptation by which they compensate for their innate fear of men, whereas I believe the manipulative behavior is an innate facet of female nature, and that the fear is learned. Those increasingly rare women who are more hesitant to engage in that kind of crybullying and manipulation are that way because they had a man, usually a father, who taught them that they would face consequences for doing it.
Some of it is, the kind they openly talk about certainly is. Like, a lot of the girls on twitter making big call out posts are clearly hyping it up for victim cred. But under that is resentment, and under that further is fear.
The ones I specifically talked to weren't openly talking about their fears. They were still trying to be manipulative as women do. You could simply see the fear if you knew how women talk and how they spin things. Reading between the lines, as it were. They aren't masters, if you are paying attention you can see the threads in their weaves and that thread is always fear.
I don't disagree its innate to them, that is often pure instinctive behavior. But its instinctive because they have millennia of this fear, long before any culture and modern nonsense of civilization, that forced them to create that manipulative nature to survive when they couldn't win any other way.
The minute details of it might be learned as they age to compensate, but that fear is older than that manipulative nature. Even if both are instinctively innate to them to engage in, one lead to the other. And as such the fear is much more powerful than the need to manipulate.
If you want a wild example of this, just go up to your wife and do the classic anime "wall slam" and watch their face. No matter what personality she has or puts up, unless she completely sees you as pathetically below her she will instantly show you that raw emotion. And, because women are fucked up, be instantly turned on too.
I think you'll find that it's fear combined with opportunity. Fear is just one edge of the double edged sword.