Everything surrounding wrestling has become so insufferable it makes it actually hard to enjoy anything.
Every journalist, podcast, "fan" online, and many of the various places meant to discuss it are Lefties who treat things like "Wrestlecrap" as gospel and think the "mostly buff dudes in tights and tassels*" of today is somehow less cringe than full kayfabe "no he is actually dead and that's his baby and that's an actual voodoo shaman" of yesteryear.
What's sad is that most of that isn't actually there in the business itself, its just every single facet of the fanbase you can find trying to force this narrative. Especially now that Vince is both gone and "cancelled" due to totally believable allegations that just coincidentally came out after he retired from someone happy to take his money before.
*These were always there and prevalent, but now its the overwhelming majority and that makes it far less impressive while also making everyone less distinct.
I don't understand how almost every major podcasts and YouTubers are super leftists. The roots of wrestling are so plebeian, you'd think it wouldn't appeal to them.
A lot of wrestling outlets today push out the usual articles like “why the attitude era wasn’t as good as you remember” which was written by someone who is like 20 years old
Ha! He is definitely the current face of the company and to be fair since I haven’t been as engaged as I was when ruthless aggression ended I don’t think I can judge fairly since for me nothing compares to 80s through early 00s
The last 20 years of success have literally been them coasting off the highs the Attitude Era brought them. Its why most people can't name more than one or two "post Attitude" wrestler outside of Cena, and they have to keep bringing those guys out of retirement to spike ratings.
Especially now that Vince is both gone and "cancelled" due to totally believable allegations that just coincidentally came out after he retired from someone happy to take his money before.
Ehh, if you've been paying attention, Vince has been accused of that sort of stuff for decades at this point. If said case was his first rodeo, then yeah, I'd side with you but this is very much old news and overdue. I do hope that Trump does not pardon him, mostly because I want the case to go through and the truth be seen, even though I'm biased to believing that Vince did in fact do the stuff alleged in the lawsuit, because this is nowhere near the first time that he's been accused of actions like that.
This isn't blindly believing her at all, it's simply seeing what Vince has done, what's been allowed under his watch in WWF/WWE, and what's around him. Vince is the person that people think Trump is, like one of the biggest examples is that JR literally had to show Vince that Asian porn existed or else he wasn't going to hire Gail Kim the first time around because he thought that Asian women were ugly, and both JR and Kim have addressed this on several podcast episodes (not while being on the same podcast, but they've both told this story multiple times).
Vince is an absolute lunatic, and a shitty person. But, fundamentally, what he did in the 80's & 90's is unquestionably some of the greatest things done in the industry.
JR literally had to show Vince that Asian porn existed or else he wasn't going to hire Gail Kim
I did. Had no idea there were so many settled lawsuits over his tenure. And he and his family definitely crossed lines I never would; but hey he got those sweet ratings.
This isn't blindly believing her at all, it's simply seeing what Vince has done
Believing her whatsoever is giving credit to a person making destructive accusations at somebody at the end of their life to destroy them and their legacy once they are unable to properly fight back.
No matter how much it feels true, its empowering every MeToo cancel the same way and is no different than "blindly believing all women" because the end result will be the same.
Literally zero details matter besides that fact. Either it was a bad enough thing to immediately report to the police or disengage from the industry for her safety, or she deserves no ears to listen.
They lost me when they started having fights outside the ring; like in parking lots or offices. I guess it helped their ratings, so I'm probably in the minority thinking that way.
It was only a matter of time before DEI got into the ring though, given how WWE is a performance show designed to maximize profit (and who has deeper pockets than the DEI collective?).
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Everything surrounding wrestling has become so insufferable it makes it actually hard to enjoy anything.
Every journalist, podcast, "fan" online, and many of the various places meant to discuss it are Lefties who treat things like "Wrestlecrap" as gospel and think the "mostly buff dudes in tights and tassels*" of today is somehow less cringe than full kayfabe "no he is actually dead and that's his baby and that's an actual voodoo shaman" of yesteryear.
What's sad is that most of that isn't actually there in the business itself, its just every single facet of the fanbase you can find trying to force this narrative. Especially now that Vince is both gone and "cancelled" due to totally believable allegations that just coincidentally came out after he retired from someone happy to take his money before.
*These were always there and prevalent, but now its the overwhelming majority and that makes it far less impressive while also making everyone less distinct.
I don't understand how almost every major podcasts and YouTubers are super leftists. The roots of wrestling are so plebeian, you'd think it wouldn't appeal to them.
Like most things, they don't really like it, they do it so that they can have another avenue of control over the media you consume.
And they always whine about attitude era or “problematic” things
A lot of wrestling outlets today push out the usual articles like “why the attitude era wasn’t as good as you remember” which was written by someone who is like 20 years old
"Roman Reigns is one of the most innovate wrestlers of all time"
hurled directly into the sun
Ha! He is definitely the current face of the company and to be fair since I haven’t been as engaged as I was when ruthless aggression ended I don’t think I can judge fairly since for me nothing compares to 80s through early 00s
The last 20 years of success have literally been them coasting off the highs the Attitude Era brought them. Its why most people can't name more than one or two "post Attitude" wrestler outside of Cena, and they have to keep bringing those guys out of retirement to spike ratings.
Yep. Anytime Austin or Rock appears it boosts ratings. Austin’s return match in 22 was the most watched match of Mania
Ehh, if you've been paying attention, Vince has been accused of that sort of stuff for decades at this point. If said case was his first rodeo, then yeah, I'd side with you but this is very much old news and overdue. I do hope that Trump does not pardon him, mostly because I want the case to go through and the truth be seen, even though I'm biased to believing that Vince did in fact do the stuff alleged in the lawsuit, because this is nowhere near the first time that he's been accused of actions like that.
This isn't blindly believing her at all, it's simply seeing what Vince has done, what's been allowed under his watch in WWF/WWE, and what's around him. Vince is the person that people think Trump is, like one of the biggest examples is that JR literally had to show Vince that Asian porn existed or else he wasn't going to hire Gail Kim the first time around because he thought that Asian women were ugly, and both JR and Kim have addressed this on several podcast episodes (not while being on the same podcast, but they've both told this story multiple times).
McMahon seems like a weird guy. Did you see the Mr. McMahon documentary on Netflix?
Vince is an absolute lunatic, and a shitty person. But, fundamentally, what he did in the 80's & 90's is unquestionably some of the greatest things done in the industry.
I absolutely believe that is real.
I don't. "...joining WWE in 2002." There's no way that Vince McMahon, in 2002, didn't know Asian porn existed. I cannot believe that.
I did. Had no idea there were so many settled lawsuits over his tenure. And he and his family definitely crossed lines I never would; but hey he got those sweet ratings.
I actually haven't, I have seen a lot of different videos documenting the various lawsuits from the past, I was also the one who posted his current lawsuit when it got filed a year ago: https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/17sOZfwpbJ/for-the-wrestling-fans-out-here-/c/
There's nothing really revealing about it. McMahon has some weird quotes in it. He comes across as very odd.
Believing her whatsoever is giving credit to a person making destructive accusations at somebody at the end of their life to destroy them and their legacy once they are unable to properly fight back.
No matter how much it feels true, its empowering every MeToo cancel the same way and is no different than "blindly believing all women" because the end result will be the same.
Literally zero details matter besides that fact. Either it was a bad enough thing to immediately report to the police or disengage from the industry for her safety, or she deserves no ears to listen.
They lost me when they started having fights outside the ring; like in parking lots or offices. I guess it helped their ratings, so I'm probably in the minority thinking that way.
It was only a matter of time before DEI got into the ring though, given how WWE is a performance show designed to maximize profit (and who has deeper pockets than the DEI collective?).
Also pro-tip for OP: Please wait for the archive to finish and post the final link instead of the wip link.
Cornette would agree with you.
Cornette would probably try to fucking shoot us to death because he is about as much of an unhinged Leftist as Kieth Olberman.
True, but he's an old school wrestling guy. So he hates the gimmick matches