Anyone here on DACA isn't strictly illegal anymore. They have documents and they can work legally for two years. That status is [supposed to be] revoked if they are convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors. That already was effectively the amnesty in terms of looking the other way on the illegal entry.
The reasonable legislative fix is:
No new issuance (get rid of the 2023 Dream Act)
You can keep renewing if you're in good standing, while you wait for your citizenship application to be processed. With no deliberate "delays" in handling their applications.
If you don't apply for citizenship or if your application is rejected, no renewal. Leave before your two years is up or get deported.
No eligibility for any gibs. Including state and local gibs.
"Your parents fucked you over, keep your nose clean and you can stay while the paperwork finishes." And if they feel like being activists, be quick to find three misdemeanors. Bye bye.
It was a garbage policy to start with, but trying to alter it retroactively is just going to get bogged down in lawfare. Stop the problem going forward and no free citizenship. That's a decent enough fix.
Anyone here on DACA isn't strictly illegal anymore.
While I appreciate that you voiced the unpopular view, isn't this the argument that they made to advance their claim that the illegal Haitians were not illegal - that Biden waved a magic wand and made them 'not illegal'?
I don't think they're analogous. I opposed DACA in 2012 and I oppose what Biden did with the Haitians. But there's a practical limit on how far you can reasonably go back. Trying to unring a bell from 12 years ago is a fool's errand and there's far more pressing uses for the enforcement resources. It's basically a work-visa program. Policy should be no new ones and if they break the conditions, they're gone... but we uphold the terms that were set out. And this is a sticking point - it should not provide any benefit to the parents. No special consideration, no rewards, no incentives for crashing the border in the first place. They get deported.
Biden's shit was 6 months ago. it would be less of a problem to go back on. But the easier route is to kill the entire TPS program and make sure that on Feb 3, 2026 they all have to go back. The only risk there is how many kids they can pump out in a year. Ending birthright citizenship is a whole issue of its own.
Yes that is what the "legislative fix" is and I am against any amnesty.
Trump floated this same idea back in his first term and it didn't go anywhere because the Dems refused to make a deal with him to prevent Trump from getting credit on solving this issue.
I hope the Dems are petty and they just stonewall him on this DACA shit again.
We need to deport ALL of these illegals not give any of them amnesty.
Yep. The problem with Trump's proposals is that the system doesn't need an official amnesty to keep the DACA caca here. They've been doing it this long without one. He needs a different bartering chip like stonewalling their foreign policy goals or jailing the corrupt faggots.
Dems refused to make a deal with him to prevent Trump from getting credit on solving this issue.
"Solving the issue."
Dems are so obsessed they won't even let someone else do amnesty. "Only we're allowed to do that." I guess we should be grateful, in this instance.
I wouldn't be as opposed to amnesty...if we hadn't already done it. It has to be one-and-done, or it just encourages more illegal crossings; it's an incentive. If we were going to do amnesty, it needed to come with cutting all benefits, and securing the border. It has to come with a fix to the issue of crossings, not just a "fix" to that we have people here who shouldn't be. Considering we already did it without fixing anything, we can't do it again.
Legislative fix could mean they have to participate in the legal immigration system from scratch the same as anybody else - meaning lots of time, money, scrutiny, and they've never committed J-walking level crimes.
They're known to immigration so I think that precludes them getting a travel visa here for at least 5 years, and maybe not ever being citizens.
So I think 'legislative fix' could mean something like they go back to their home country but can apply right away and do it legally. Which would also provide a reason for Congress to reform immigration so it's faster and results in better immigrants.
So an amnesty
Anyone here on DACA isn't strictly illegal anymore. They have documents and they can work legally for two years. That status is [supposed to be] revoked if they are convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors. That already was effectively the amnesty in terms of looking the other way on the illegal entry.
The reasonable legislative fix is:
"Your parents fucked you over, keep your nose clean and you can stay while the paperwork finishes." And if they feel like being activists, be quick to find three misdemeanors. Bye bye.
It was a garbage policy to start with, but trying to alter it retroactively is just going to get bogged down in lawfare. Stop the problem going forward and no free citizenship. That's a decent enough fix.
While I appreciate that you voiced the unpopular view, isn't this the argument that they made to advance their claim that the illegal Haitians were not illegal - that Biden waved a magic wand and made them 'not illegal'?
I don't think they're analogous. I opposed DACA in 2012 and I oppose what Biden did with the Haitians. But there's a practical limit on how far you can reasonably go back. Trying to unring a bell from 12 years ago is a fool's errand and there's far more pressing uses for the enforcement resources. It's basically a work-visa program. Policy should be no new ones and if they break the conditions, they're gone... but we uphold the terms that were set out. And this is a sticking point - it should not provide any benefit to the parents. No special consideration, no rewards, no incentives for crashing the border in the first place. They get deported.
Biden's shit was 6 months ago. it would be less of a problem to go back on. But the easier route is to kill the entire TPS program and make sure that on Feb 3, 2026 they all have to go back. The only risk there is how many kids they can pump out in a year. Ending birthright citizenship is a whole issue of its own.
Yes that is what the "legislative fix" is and I am against any amnesty.
Trump floated this same idea back in his first term and it didn't go anywhere because the Dems refused to make a deal with him to prevent Trump from getting credit on solving this issue.
I hope the Dems are petty and they just stonewall him on this DACA shit again.
We need to deport ALL of these illegals not give any of them amnesty.
Yep. The problem with Trump's proposals is that the system doesn't need an official amnesty to keep the DACA caca here. They've been doing it this long without one. He needs a different bartering chip like stonewalling their foreign policy goals or jailing the corrupt faggots.
"Solving the issue."
Dems are so obsessed they won't even let someone else do amnesty. "Only we're allowed to do that." I guess we should be grateful, in this instance.
I wouldn't be as opposed to amnesty...if we hadn't already done it. It has to be one-and-done, or it just encourages more illegal crossings; it's an incentive. If we were going to do amnesty, it needed to come with cutting all benefits, and securing the border. It has to come with a fix to the issue of crossings, not just a "fix" to that we have people here who shouldn't be. Considering we already did it without fixing anything, we can't do it again.
DACA amnesty has no value to Dems as a bargaining chip. That's why they won't grant concessions for it.
Legislative fix could mean they have to participate in the legal immigration system from scratch the same as anybody else - meaning lots of time, money, scrutiny, and they've never committed J-walking level crimes.
They're known to immigration so I think that precludes them getting a travel visa here for at least 5 years, and maybe not ever being citizens.
So I think 'legislative fix' could mean something like they go back to their home country but can apply right away and do it legally. Which would also provide a reason for Congress to reform immigration so it's faster and results in better immigrants.
That's my hope anyway.
The legislative fix is: Go home and apply for citizenship like you normally would have to. I'm so done with foreigners.