When the anti fascists finally meets real fascists
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Antifas are actually just disaffected young whites that have been mentally abused and traumatized into thinking communism is the way out of this kiked out reality.
Surprise surprise, communism is just another Jewish trick to destroy healthy societies and functioning hierarchy.
I'm not even sure if these are real Fascists. Most Fascists don't identify as Fascists, but rather as "Third Positionists".
Third Positionists wouldn't be stupid enough to make a name for themselves via public harassment at local city council meetings. On the other hand, the real Neo-Nazis (Aryan Nation members) are already in prison, and wouldn't be going to a public meeting to do anything but fight with the cops and catch yet another felony.
This is probably another Leftist trolling. Or an actual grifter for the alt-right. Or, potentially a fed trying to help infiltrate.
This is a weird one from you. So anyone with a pro-white view is a NatSoc Leftist Socialist, but anyone claiming to be a NatSoc isn't one? Weird.
Yeah, some of the people professing to be Nazis are leftists or feds, but there are people who actually just identify with the Nazis. And, no, I'm not a fan, for the record. Also, you don't have to be in the Aryan Nation to be a neo-Nazi. Although I agree the term gets thrown around too much, and most people labeled as neo-Nazis aren't. Aryan Nation is a group of neo-Nazis, but they're not the only group.
I don't want to get into some long ramble, but I am curious, what's the point of saying these people who are saying they are Nazis aren't Nazis? Does the smear of calling anyone who is pro-white a Nazi lose some impact if you have groups out there openly calling themselves Nazis, is that part of it?
It just strikes me as odd, since you're so willing to call so many people NatSocs, but then won't let the avowed NatSocs be NatSocs.
I agree that the Aryan Nation are not the only group of Neo-Nazis. Most real Neo-Nazis are incarcerated because the feds actively hunt them and their organizations, to the point that they can't operate legitimately in society.
I'm saying what I'm saying because it's likely true. Real Life White Nationalists try to not look like retarded faggots. Jared Taylor and Keith Woods, for example, aren't running around screaming in people's faces. No one who worked at VDARE did either. They are trying to legitimize their movement, not agitate. Agitprop would be the literal last thing any sane White Nationalist would want to do.
Contrast that with these try-hards that went to a Trump boat rally. These are explicitly communists. You can tell from the use of the alligator on a Libertarian flag. Sometimes used for Florida Libertarians (not National Socialists), it is used for full-blown statist Communists. Like, full blown
I saw something similar when a Chick-Fil-A opened near me. The same week it opened, a random group of fat lesbians and old hippy white nationalists held a protest right outside their grand opening with signs screaming "Keep America White".
You fucking expect me to believe that White Nationalists who are desperate to legitimize themselves decided that it was their job to yell at people in the street if they approached a Chik-Fil-A; or does that sound like a Communist false flag operation? How many white nationalists do you know are fat white women with blue hair?
Any white nationalist with a brain wouldn't be stupid enough to pull this shit. The ones that do are shooting their own organizations in the foot. The Red Elephants tried to warn about the level of grift and subversion in the movement and he wasn't listened to. White Nationalists and National Socialists are constantly exploited and controlled.
There's, as they say, a lot to unpack here.
For one thing, and I can't claim a full 'gotcha' because I brought it up first, because we've had this discussion before, but you immediately conflated white nationalism with national socialism right out of the gate.
Also, it's weird that your vision of neo-Nazis seems to be that they're so deranged they can't help but attack cops...but also that they're geniuses with a perfect plan and who would never have bad optics.
My view is a bit more nuanced...Nazis are out there, not in the numbers that leftists would fear monger over, but they're out there. And some of them are dumber than a bag of rocks. Being a "Nazi" is edgy. The left and anti-white side have gotten so deranged it could almost be considered "cool." You're going to have retards out there openly proclaiming their Nazism.
The other thing to consider is, although I don't like the optics here...it's not a complete optical loss like you might initially think. Nazis openly being Nazis, while damaging to the Nazi cause...is also a win for them. Because it says you can openly be a Nazi. It normalizes things. Just like how, even though communists are retarded, and open communists give communism a bad(der) name, the fact that they're out there operating in public normalizes things. Commies being commies is both a win and a loss for commies. Same goes for Nazis.
But it is possible. Neo/Nazis aren't some monolith...just like all other groups.
My core question remains, though. Why are you so intent in delegitimizing these self-professed Nazis, but also so willing to call random people Nazis?
White Nationalism and National Socialism are effectively the same thing in the American context. That's just how the WN's roll. Neo-Nazis are a different group. They are National Socialists, but they're more akin to the SA.
Neo-Nazis don't have perfect plans. They're career criminals. They're literally thugs. People like Jared Taylor and Keith Woods aren't really "Neo-Nazis". The intellectualist portion of the Neo-Nazi or American Nazi movement died back in the 70's.
This doesn't exist anywhere in the US.
Nobody goes out on the town and is like, "Dude, bro, is that a swastika tattooed on your neck? Nice." It's not edgy, it's seen as fucking psycho. If you fly a swastika outside your house, everyone thinks you are a criminal, insane, and violent.
I don't need to. They're not legitimate. As for the rando NatSocs on this board are Useful Idiots spamming retarded race hatred, and are far too cowardly to do shit in real life because they would likely be confronted with real, no shit, criminal levels of unjustified violence from normies who would assume they are Neo-Nazis, rather than idiot internet stormfags. And they are self-avowed.
It will just go around in circles, as we've had this conversation countless times. But you can't just make up your own definitions and ride that.
There is no connection between being pro-white, and being pro-socialism.
Again, the terms are somewhat nebulous, you can't just say 'this is a neo-Nazi, this is a NatSoc, this is what each means, and if you don't do X you can't be Y.' The guys in OP might be leftists, might be feds...or might be fascists. All are possible.
Again, you're just defining terms to your own ends. A neo-Nazi is someone who likes Nazism, and generally dislikes various non-white ethnicities and nationalities. They don't have to be criminals, they don't have to be thugs. They can be propagandists, they can be protestors and activists, and what have you. They'll push their message, some through criminality and thuggery.
Again, that's an odd distinction, and somewhat circular. 'They can't be neo-Nazis, because intellectual neo-Nazis aren't a thing.' Says you. I'm not even saying they are, for the record, just that the logic is bad.
Then why do you feel the need to argue that these people couldn't possible be Nazis or fascists? That's what I'm getting at; it's a weird line.
Especially when you're so happy to call anyone who likes white people a socialist, but people out there actually saying 'we're Nazis' you feel the need to try to write off.
I'm not sure why you bother. He's not an honest actor.
Yeah, not sure why I expected anything different this go around. He's being extra silly, too.
You tell me not to make up definitions, and then you create fake arguments and assign them to me. Stop being fucking dishonest.
I'm defining categories as they are. Stop attempting to put Kieth Woods in the same group as someone who larps as a Fascist, and someone who would literally beat a gay man to death with a metal pipe.
Again, you're being dishonest. You are intentionally conflating "Neo-Nazis" and White Nationalists.
Enemy action is still enemy action. Nazi, Fed, or Antifa, they are still my enemies and still want me broke, homeless, wife dead, children raped, because it's funny. Identifying targets correctly is important. I think I've identified the targets correctly.
LOL.
LOL. Also, I never did that. Further also, most actual Nazis back in the day probably wouldn't even beat a gay man to death with a pipe.
LOL. How the fuck am I doing that? By repeatedly saying they aren't the same? You silly goose, you.
Honestly, this whole thing feel like Bill Burr's bit about how women argue; if you can't win the argument, just behave so insultingly that the person your arguing with calls you a cunt, and then focus on that. Because your argument makes no sense, you're claiming I'm dishonest, while claiming I'm saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying. It's lame as hell.
No, there's plenty of real fascists that identify as fascists. From my experience, they're usually Catholic because they see Catholicism and Fascism as being more compatible than National Socialism and Catholicism. Also, a lot of non-White people that are sympathetic to NatSoc values will call themselves fascist over NatSoc. The Third Positionists also exist.
This guy, imo, comes off pretty fed-like but not everyone is a fed, obviously.
It's a correct assessment, but wouldn't they just be Falangists, then?
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Yeah the left are commies but against ACTUAL Nazis forget both of them hated Jews. That actually got Stalin in trouble due to targeting Jewish doctors and then finding out there was no doctors to treat him when he had think it was a heart attack or stroke which he later died from.
So what? there were no White doctors and all the doctors were jewish? lol . Bullshit. And stop pretending like communism isn't a jewish invention
40 Years from when Russia was an agrarian society? Yes.
20 Years after Stalin had purged doctors and created a Georgian ethno-racket within the country? Yes.
Jewish doctors exist for the same reason jewish accountants do. They're good at it.
You might as well have said, "There were no black surgeons in Liberia? Bullshit."
Well if communism was a Jewish invention, it bit the hand that made it then:
Stalin hated the Jews so designed a special gulag just for them, first targeting doctors since there were a lot of Jews in the medical industry there while also claiming they were guilty of a plot to kill Stalin . Of course this wasn't publicly announced so all doctors were scared to crap they'd end up in Siberia so depleted the amount of doctors in the Soviet Union for a while.
The foreign secretary during Stalin's reign, his wife was gulag'd because she wanted to foster stronger ties between Israel and the Soviet Union, in ironic twists, she was DEEPLY devoted to Stalin even after the gulag and survived only because Beria (yes that pedophilic monster) kept her alive as leverage for later.
So communism may have started from a Jew but it's certainly not controlled by them, at least not when they achieve power.
well it wouldn't be the first time . that's why they have an entire story about their golem creations turning against them.
They do friendly fire a lot, like driving the Muslims into Europe then having all the Jews there targeted for attacks.
Unless it's a 'everyone outside of Israel isn't Jewish' mentality they have in their working process?
It’s almost as if they have an underlying assumption that every gentile is subhuman cattle that can be manipulated like livestock and are constantly shocked when it turns out that non-jews are actual humans who don’t appreciate being manipulated and marginalized in their own countries.
Massive downvotes because objective reality exists.
Oh, are we playing the redditor flip-flop game of "upvotes means I'm right, down votes means I'm right"? Fuck off.
Secret king mentality.
If it didn't mean anything to you, you wouldn't hyperventilate yourselves updooting to create a fake consensus.
The fed-op faggots downvotes are a hit dog hollering. They don't like the truth.