When the anti fascists finally meets real fascists
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This is a weird one from you. So anyone with a pro-white view is a NatSoc Leftist Socialist, but anyone claiming to be a NatSoc isn't one? Weird.
Yeah, some of the people professing to be Nazis are leftists or feds, but there are people who actually just identify with the Nazis. And, no, I'm not a fan, for the record. Also, you don't have to be in the Aryan Nation to be a neo-Nazi. Although I agree the term gets thrown around too much, and most people labeled as neo-Nazis aren't. Aryan Nation is a group of neo-Nazis, but they're not the only group.
I don't want to get into some long ramble, but I am curious, what's the point of saying these people who are saying they are Nazis aren't Nazis? Does the smear of calling anyone who is pro-white a Nazi lose some impact if you have groups out there openly calling themselves Nazis, is that part of it?
It just strikes me as odd, since you're so willing to call so many people NatSocs, but then won't let the avowed NatSocs be NatSocs.
I agree that the Aryan Nation are not the only group of Neo-Nazis. Most real Neo-Nazis are incarcerated because the feds actively hunt them and their organizations, to the point that they can't operate legitimately in society.
I'm saying what I'm saying because it's likely true. Real Life White Nationalists try to not look like retarded faggots. Jared Taylor and Keith Woods, for example, aren't running around screaming in people's faces. No one who worked at VDARE did either. They are trying to legitimize their movement, not agitate. Agitprop would be the literal last thing any sane White Nationalist would want to do.
Contrast that with these try-hards that went to a Trump boat rally. These are explicitly communists. You can tell from the use of the alligator on a Libertarian flag. Sometimes used for Florida Libertarians (not National Socialists), it is used for full-blown statist Communists. Like, full blown
I saw something similar when a Chick-Fil-A opened near me. The same week it opened, a random group of fat lesbians and old hippy white nationalists held a protest right outside their grand opening with signs screaming "Keep America White".
You fucking expect me to believe that White Nationalists who are desperate to legitimize themselves decided that it was their job to yell at people in the street if they approached a Chik-Fil-A; or does that sound like a Communist false flag operation? How many white nationalists do you know are fat white women with blue hair?
Any white nationalist with a brain wouldn't be stupid enough to pull this shit. The ones that do are shooting their own organizations in the foot. The Red Elephants tried to warn about the level of grift and subversion in the movement and he wasn't listened to. White Nationalists and National Socialists are constantly exploited and controlled.
There's, as they say, a lot to unpack here.
For one thing, and I can't claim a full 'gotcha' because I brought it up first, because we've had this discussion before, but you immediately conflated white nationalism with national socialism right out of the gate.
Also, it's weird that your vision of neo-Nazis seems to be that they're so deranged they can't help but attack cops...but also that they're geniuses with a perfect plan and who would never have bad optics.
My view is a bit more nuanced...Nazis are out there, not in the numbers that leftists would fear monger over, but they're out there. And some of them are dumber than a bag of rocks. Being a "Nazi" is edgy. The left and anti-white side have gotten so deranged it could almost be considered "cool." You're going to have retards out there openly proclaiming their Nazism.
The other thing to consider is, although I don't like the optics here...it's not a complete optical loss like you might initially think. Nazis openly being Nazis, while damaging to the Nazi cause...is also a win for them. Because it says you can openly be a Nazi. It normalizes things. Just like how, even though communists are retarded, and open communists give communism a bad(der) name, the fact that they're out there operating in public normalizes things. Commies being commies is both a win and a loss for commies. Same goes for Nazis.
But it is possible. Neo/Nazis aren't some monolith...just like all other groups.
My core question remains, though. Why are you so intent in delegitimizing these self-professed Nazis, but also so willing to call random people Nazis?
White Nationalism and National Socialism are effectively the same thing in the American context. That's just how the WN's roll. Neo-Nazis are a different group. They are National Socialists, but they're more akin to the SA.
Neo-Nazis don't have perfect plans. They're career criminals. They're literally thugs. People like Jared Taylor and Keith Woods aren't really "Neo-Nazis". The intellectualist portion of the Neo-Nazi or American Nazi movement died back in the 70's.
This doesn't exist anywhere in the US.
Nobody goes out on the town and is like, "Dude, bro, is that a swastika tattooed on your neck? Nice." It's not edgy, it's seen as fucking psycho. If you fly a swastika outside your house, everyone thinks you are a criminal, insane, and violent.
I don't need to. They're not legitimate. As for the rando NatSocs on this board are Useful Idiots spamming retarded race hatred, and are far too cowardly to do shit in real life because they would likely be confronted with real, no shit, criminal levels of unjustified violence from normies who would assume they are Neo-Nazis, rather than idiot internet stormfags. And they are self-avowed.
It will just go around in circles, as we've had this conversation countless times. But you can't just make up your own definitions and ride that.
There is no connection between being pro-white, and being pro-socialism.
Again, the terms are somewhat nebulous, you can't just say 'this is a neo-Nazi, this is a NatSoc, this is what each means, and if you don't do X you can't be Y.' The guys in OP might be leftists, might be feds...or might be fascists. All are possible.
Again, you're just defining terms to your own ends. A neo-Nazi is someone who likes Nazism, and generally dislikes various non-white ethnicities and nationalities. They don't have to be criminals, they don't have to be thugs. They can be propagandists, they can be protestors and activists, and what have you. They'll push their message, some through criminality and thuggery.
Again, that's an odd distinction, and somewhat circular. 'They can't be neo-Nazis, because intellectual neo-Nazis aren't a thing.' Says you. I'm not even saying they are, for the record, just that the logic is bad.
Then why do you feel the need to argue that these people couldn't possible be Nazis or fascists? That's what I'm getting at; it's a weird line.
Especially when you're so happy to call anyone who likes white people a socialist, but people out there actually saying 'we're Nazis' you feel the need to try to write off.