When the anti fascists finally meets real fascists
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There's, as they say, a lot to unpack here.
For one thing, and I can't claim a full 'gotcha' because I brought it up first, because we've had this discussion before, but you immediately conflated white nationalism with national socialism right out of the gate.
Also, it's weird that your vision of neo-Nazis seems to be that they're so deranged they can't help but attack cops...but also that they're geniuses with a perfect plan and who would never have bad optics.
My view is a bit more nuanced...Nazis are out there, not in the numbers that leftists would fear monger over, but they're out there. And some of them are dumber than a bag of rocks. Being a "Nazi" is edgy. The left and anti-white side have gotten so deranged it could almost be considered "cool." You're going to have retards out there openly proclaiming their Nazism.
The other thing to consider is, although I don't like the optics here...it's not a complete optical loss like you might initially think. Nazis openly being Nazis, while damaging to the Nazi cause...is also a win for them. Because it says you can openly be a Nazi. It normalizes things. Just like how, even though communists are retarded, and open communists give communism a bad(der) name, the fact that they're out there operating in public normalizes things. Commies being commies is both a win and a loss for commies. Same goes for Nazis.
But it is possible. Neo/Nazis aren't some monolith...just like all other groups.
My core question remains, though. Why are you so intent in delegitimizing these self-professed Nazis, but also so willing to call random people Nazis?
White Nationalism and National Socialism are effectively the same thing in the American context. That's just how the WN's roll. Neo-Nazis are a different group. They are National Socialists, but they're more akin to the SA.
Neo-Nazis don't have perfect plans. They're career criminals. They're literally thugs. People like Jared Taylor and Keith Woods aren't really "Neo-Nazis". The intellectualist portion of the Neo-Nazi or American Nazi movement died back in the 70's.
This doesn't exist anywhere in the US.
Nobody goes out on the town and is like, "Dude, bro, is that a swastika tattooed on your neck? Nice." It's not edgy, it's seen as fucking psycho. If you fly a swastika outside your house, everyone thinks you are a criminal, insane, and violent.
I don't need to. They're not legitimate. As for the rando NatSocs on this board are Useful Idiots spamming retarded race hatred, and are far too cowardly to do shit in real life because they would likely be confronted with real, no shit, criminal levels of unjustified violence from normies who would assume they are Neo-Nazis, rather than idiot internet stormfags. And they are self-avowed.
It will just go around in circles, as we've had this conversation countless times. But you can't just make up your own definitions and ride that.
There is no connection between being pro-white, and being pro-socialism.
Again, the terms are somewhat nebulous, you can't just say 'this is a neo-Nazi, this is a NatSoc, this is what each means, and if you don't do X you can't be Y.' The guys in OP might be leftists, might be feds...or might be fascists. All are possible.
Again, you're just defining terms to your own ends. A neo-Nazi is someone who likes Nazism, and generally dislikes various non-white ethnicities and nationalities. They don't have to be criminals, they don't have to be thugs. They can be propagandists, they can be protestors and activists, and what have you. They'll push their message, some through criminality and thuggery.
Again, that's an odd distinction, and somewhat circular. 'They can't be neo-Nazis, because intellectual neo-Nazis aren't a thing.' Says you. I'm not even saying they are, for the record, just that the logic is bad.
Then why do you feel the need to argue that these people couldn't possible be Nazis or fascists? That's what I'm getting at; it's a weird line.
Especially when you're so happy to call anyone who likes white people a socialist, but people out there actually saying 'we're Nazis' you feel the need to try to write off.
I'm not sure why you bother. He's not an honest actor.
Yeah, not sure why I expected anything different this go around. He's being extra silly, too.
You tell me not to make up definitions, and then you create fake arguments and assign them to me. Stop being fucking dishonest.
I'm defining categories as they are. Stop attempting to put Kieth Woods in the same group as someone who larps as a Fascist, and someone who would literally beat a gay man to death with a metal pipe.
Again, you're being dishonest. You are intentionally conflating "Neo-Nazis" and White Nationalists.
Enemy action is still enemy action. Nazi, Fed, or Antifa, they are still my enemies and still want me broke, homeless, wife dead, children raped, because it's funny. Identifying targets correctly is important. I think I've identified the targets correctly.
LOL.
LOL. Also, I never did that. Further also, most actual Nazis back in the day probably wouldn't even beat a gay man to death with a pipe.
LOL. How the fuck am I doing that? By repeatedly saying they aren't the same? You silly goose, you.
Honestly, this whole thing feel like Bill Burr's bit about how women argue; if you can't win the argument, just behave so insultingly that the person your arguing with calls you a cunt, and then focus on that. Because your argument makes no sense, you're claiming I'm dishonest, while claiming I'm saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying. It's lame as hell.