I mean, we WISH it diminished GLOBAL Jewish power, it seems to have just made more bodies and censorship.
If anything, if it wasn't part of some plan as justification to start turning Gaza into a parking lot, it showed how supporting a weak puppet to be leader of your biggest ally is a very bad move.
All of these barbaric atrocities have been justified and encouraged by the sweeping public statements of top Israeli leaders. For example, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly identified the Palestinians with the tribe of Amalek, whom the Hebrew god commanded must be exterminated down to the last newborn baby. Just a few days ago, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich declared that it would be โjust and moralโ for Israel to totally exterminate all two million Palestinians in Gaza, but he emphasized that world public opinion was currently preventing his government from taking that important step.
I think that popular sentiment is more powerful than we often give it credit, and I think the worldโs opinion of israel has never been lower.
I think the greatest threat in the future is what happens if the israelis ever actually feel like theyโre going to lose the blind obedient support of the west. Too many nukes and too many anti-human psychopaths in that government.
No, it's very clear that Israel is losing credibility among the entirety of the Left, and most of the world's nationalists.
The nationalists don't care, and the Left actively want a jewish genocide. The children of the current elites are the ones actively calling for cleansing jews from the river to the sea. Israel is about to become very isolated in the next 20 years.
I mean, we WISH it diminished GLOBAL Jewish power, it seems to have just made more bodies and censorship.
The one positive thing that I have seen from all of this is that online, and even IRL, I have seen more open criticism of not just Israel, but Jews as a whole. I have seen them being criticized on normie Instagram pages, where that would have been verboten even a decade ago.
Sure, they still control basically all our institutions, but the programming of the peasants is starting to slip. I'll take a small victory any day.
I'm still trying to figure out how to completely turn the Left wing against Israel. They seem to side with Palestine by default, but getting them to go full hostile seems like a large leap. They were very happy to go 100% against Russia, but 100% against Israel is clearly a different beast.
Because AIPAC controls our elections. Until AIPAC candidates start losing, there is no path forward for any political movement that does not kiss the wall.
Russia is a great crossover villain because the boomers are stuck in the Cold War and the zoomers hate whites and Christians.
The left does what the media tells them to do. They aren't telling them to turn against rule16istan for some reason that we will never know, since anything that looks like the reason for it is totally just a coincidence.
Today marks the one year anniversary of the remarkably successful Hamas raid on Israel, in which some 1,500 lightly-armed Islamic militants from Gaza so greatly humiliated the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his countryโs entire national security establishment. The consequences of these last twelve months have been enormous, not merely for the Jewish State and the rest of the Middle East, but also for America and the entire world.
For many fatal diseases the cause of death is less the result of the infection itself than that of the defensive immune system, whose massive over-reaction destroys vital tissue, killing the entire organism. And I think that the Hamas raid of October 7, 2023 and the Israeli response may eventually be seen in this light.
Some 1,200 Israelis died that day, probably many or most of them killed by their own countryโs panic-stricken and trigger-happy IDF forces, whose Apache helicopters were ordered to blast anything that moved. Although such losses were hardly insignificant in a Jewish population of some 7.2 million and the national humiliation was enormous, if the Israeli government had merely been content to launch a few weeks of punitive bombing attacks against Gaza and then grudgingly accept an exchange of prisoners with its Hamas adversaries, I doubt the results would have been too serious.
Israel had held many thousands of Palestinians without charges or trial and often under brutal conditions, so releasing these in exchange for the 200-odd Israelis Hamas had carried back to Gaza would have meant a huge loss of face for the Jewish State, but hardly a threat to the countryโs survival. The Israelis could have merely fired a few of their complacent and incompetent local military commanders and strengthened their Gaza defenses, and matters would have probably gone on much like before.
Israel had been riding high at that point, on the very verge of accomplishing its decades-long project of fully normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia, the most powerful Arab state. Israelโs close friends totally dominated the Biden Administration and Donald Trump promised to do even more for that country if he somehow managed to regain the White House. The country had just celebrated the 75th anniversary of its founding, and its international strategic position seemed better than it had been in many years, so it could have easily taken its Hamas debacle in stride.
But after the events of the last twelve months, I tend to doubt that the country will survive much longer in anything like its existing form, and its collapse may also take down with it the entire political structure of organized Jewry worldwide, which today so heavily dominates both America and much of the rest of the world. While Israel may face very serious risks from the major regional war its government seeks to ignite, I think the greatest threat to its existence comes from the massive distribution of devastating information that has taken place during this last year.
If the Israeli government had cut its losses and exchanged prisoners with Hamas, the country might have been humiliated but Netanyahu would have been utterly destroyed. So partly because of his own desperate political situation, he reacted in very different fashion, unleashing massive, relentless attacks against Gazaโs helpless couple of million civilians, clearly hoping to save his own political skin by using the Hamas raid as an excuse to kill or expel all the Palestinians in that enclave and afterwards in the West Bank. This would have allowed him to establish his name in history as Israelโs second founding father, finally creating the Greater Israel that all of his predecessors had failed to achieve. This bold project was certainly spurred on by the small extremist political parties upon whom the political survival of his government depended, whose ideological leadership regarded those territories as their God-given heritage under the fierce version of the religious Judaism that they followed.
" and its collapse may also take down with it the entire political structure of organized Jewry worldwide, which today so heavily dominates both America and much of the rest of the world. " Might violate Rule 16, but it's too vague to really be actionable from the rest of the context.
Some 1,200 Israelis died that day, probably many or most of them killed by their own countryโs panic-stricken and trigger-happy IDF forces, whose Apache helicopters were ordered to blast anything that moved
No... For the most part air assets weren't even responding. Hell the military in general was slow to respond. Most of the time it was cops getting into full scale gun battles on interstates, in street corners, and in their police stations, and often losing because they didn't have RPGs.
although such losses were hardly insignificant in a Jewish population of some 7.2 million
What the fuck does that matter? "It only killed 0.1% of the population, therefore, shut up and stop whining."
The Israel Police issues a statement reacting to a claim in Haaretz that an IDF helicopter that arrived at the site of the Supernova festival near Reโim on October 7 may have killed some Israeli civilians.
The Haaretz article in Hebrew cites an unnamed Israel Police official saying that its investigation of the incident found that an IDF helicopter at the site that was firing at terrorists โapparently harmed a few partygoers who were in the area.โ
Even the israelis admit they killed their own. Now theyโll never admit the scale but we already know they lie about casualty counts endlessly, so the important point is they fact theyโve been forced to admit it at all.
The left-wing daily Haaretz said the investigation centred on an incident in Kibbutz Be'eri, one of the worst hit communities, in which a house was shelled by a tank, killing 12 Israeli hostages held by Palestinian Hamas gunmen.
What the fuck does that matter?
The author says exactly what it matters in the next sentenceโฆ do you know how reading works lol?
Yes, 0.1% is a big part of any country to lose overnight BUT if israel didnโt try to turn this into justification for a genocide, and instead only responded with a couple weeks of missile strikes and pregnant women sniped, then they would be far better off today than they actually are, which is basically with their back against a chasm and the whole world gradually getting more and more pissed off at them
Elements of the Haaretz article were taken widely out of context on social media and used to blame Israel for hundreds of civilian deaths on October 7, none of which has any basis in fact and in extensive reporting about the massacre.
Which is exactly what UNZ did. Explicitly claim that most of the casualties on the day were inflicted by the IDF, which is simply impossible because many weren't even fucking there.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were firing machine guns and a stray round or ricochet hit a civilian. That's actual collateral damage.
Yes, 0.1% is a big part of any country to lose overnight BUT if israel didnโt try to turn this into justification for a genocide
Again, what the fuck does that matter? The purpose of the population percentage argument is only to minimize the attack. If we accept that Israel's response is genocidal, then it still wouldn't matter how many were killed, because the issue is the act of genocide. If the response is not genocidal, then it still doesn't matter how many people were killed, because it matters what Israel should be doing in response to some number of Israeli citizens being killed.
The proportion of dead shouldn't matter to what type of response needs to happen, especially if we are asserting that genocides are wholly unethical.
If we accept that Israel's response is genocidal, then it still wouldn't matter how many were killed, because the issue is the act of genocide. If the response is not genocidal, then it still doesn't matter how many people were killed, because it matters what Israel should be doing in response to some number of Israeli citizens being killed.
The proportion of dead shouldn't matter to what type of response needs to happen, especially if we are asserting that genocides are wholly unethical.
Youโre making some good points from the perspective of an individual with a consistent set of views being applied to, I guess, this and other discussions. However I think that perspective misses the point of the article. Iโll try to summarize what I think the point mostly is:
For everyone out there looking at this situation from a perspective which isnโt an israeli or a palestinian there is a different breaking point where they will go from seeing the situation as itโs always been presented in the mainstream media and start to see it for what it is (a genocide).
This breaking point is different for every person. For muslims nearby, they saw the crisis and the refugees first hand and have long hated israel for their actions. But in the West thatโs just not the case. The default position is โthe jews deserve a homeland, thatโs where it has to beโ. They donโt see it as a an invasion followed by a colonization amounting to a slow genocide. That is, until they start to see first hand what israel justifies in its pursuit of โa homelandโ.
In the last year alone weโve seen
Tens of thousands of woman and children murdered (war crime)
โisraeli victimsโ as often as not being more accurately described as โvictims of israeli friendly fireโ
Gang rape of prisoners being sanctioned by superiors in the govt and army and supported by mass demonstrations of the population
Severe torture unto death of doctors and other aid workers
Targeted assassinations of the people currently negotiating ceasefires, conducted in other counties, like Syria and Iran
Open discussion by israeli leadership of the โGreater Israelโ plan to invade and seize parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc based on nothing but their delusional racist fantasies
And on and on and on, the war crimes are almost too many to list - and thatโs just in the last year, this has been happening (to various degrees) for 7 decades. The point of the article is that given how insane the zionists have gotten recently, more and more people have been forced to reckon with reality. And this reckoning doesnโt look good for the modern state of israelโฆ
Actuallyโand if you read the article, the further context reinforces thisโheโs saying they werenโt insignificant, and itโs understandable that it would be shocking. It tripped me up the first time I read the sentence as well.
Remember that Benjamin Netanyahu sacrificed the lives of many of his own citizens so he could take the heat off trying to claim more power for himself and the executive branch. The parallels to 9/11 are extreme.
Anything I say on this will most likely catch me another ban. So instead I will just say go fuck yourself, Dom. Read this article and choke on it, you treasonous sack of controlled opposition shit.
I commend Dom for allowing the Unz Review to be posted here, when he could just, like most other forums (like the default communities of .win), issue a blanket domain ban and point to an article or two by a hyperbolic (funny) dick like Andrew Anglin as โjustificationโ.
I do find it funny though, because at one point I had a comment removed for bringing up โthe ZOGโ - in this article, we have (jewish) Ron Unz concurring with two young jewish journalists (Aaron Matรฉ and Max Blumenthal) that โthe ZOGโ is at this point a reality undeniable by any sane, honest person who looks at the world today
For the most part, there's no rule violating content, but the author quotes himself in a previous article regarding his review of the book "The Jewish Threat" and then actually does push rule violating content.
Bendersky devoted ten full years of research to his book, exhaustively mining the archives of American Military Intelligence as well as the personal papers and correspondence no of more than 100 senior military figures and intelligence officers. The โJewish Threatโ runs over 500 pages, including some 1350 footnotes, with the listed archival sources alone occupying seven full pages. His subtitle is โAnti-Semitic Politics of the U.S. Armyโ and he makes an extremely compelling case that during the first half of the twentieth century and even afterward, the top ranks of the U.S. military and especially Military Intelligence heavily subscribed to notions that today would be universally dismissed as โanti-Semitic conspiracy theories.โ
Nigga are you gay? Find the exact quote please.
Also Ron Unz is a jew
Also who reported this? A sockpuppet with no recent comments? Or an israel dick rider who didnโt even bother defending their views in the comments?
I mean, we WISH it diminished GLOBAL Jewish power, it seems to have just made more bodies and censorship.
If anything, if it wasn't part of some plan as justification to start turning Gaza into a parking lot, it showed how supporting a weak puppet to be leader of your biggest ally is a very bad move.
From later in the article:
I think that popular sentiment is more powerful than we often give it credit, and I think the worldโs opinion of israel has never been lower.
I think the greatest threat in the future is what happens if the israelis ever actually feel like theyโre going to lose the blind obedient support of the west. Too many nukes and too many anti-human psychopaths in that government.
If you had to pick one country to bring about the end of the world, isnโt it obviously Israel?
9/11 had the same result. Makes you wonder...
No, it's very clear that Israel is losing credibility among the entirety of the Left, and most of the world's nationalists.
The nationalists don't care, and the Left actively want a jewish genocide. The children of the current elites are the ones actively calling for cleansing jews from the river to the sea. Israel is about to become very isolated in the next 20 years.
The one positive thing that I have seen from all of this is that online, and even IRL, I have seen more open criticism of not just Israel, but Jews as a whole. I have seen them being criticized on normie Instagram pages, where that would have been verboten even a decade ago.
Sure, they still control basically all our institutions, but the programming of the peasants is starting to slip. I'll take a small victory any day.
I'm still trying to figure out how to completely turn the Left wing against Israel. They seem to side with Palestine by default, but getting them to go full hostile seems like a large leap. They were very happy to go 100% against Russia, but 100% against Israel is clearly a different beast.
Because AIPAC controls our elections. Until AIPAC candidates start losing, there is no path forward for any political movement that does not kiss the wall.
Russia is a great crossover villain because the boomers are stuck in the Cold War and the zoomers hate whites and Christians.
The left does what the media tells them to do. They aren't telling them to turn against rule16istan for some reason that we will never know, since anything that looks like the reason for it is totally just a coincidence.
They basically already have. It's just the older ones that haven't.
Continued in the article
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This actually doesn't do that.
" and its collapse may also take down with it the entire political structure of organized Jewry worldwide, which today so heavily dominates both America and much of the rest of the world. " Might violate Rule 16, but it's too vague to really be actionable from the rest of the context.
No... For the most part air assets weren't even responding. Hell the military in general was slow to respond. Most of the time it was cops getting into full scale gun battles on interstates, in street corners, and in their police stations, and often losing because they didn't have RPGs.
What the fuck does that matter? "It only killed 0.1% of the population, therefore, shut up and stop whining."
โNoโฆโ
Even the israelis admit they killed their own. Now theyโll never admit the scale but we already know they lie about casualty counts endlessly, so the important point is they fact theyโve been forced to admit it at all.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-police-slams-haaretz-claim-idf-helicopter-may-have-harmed-civilians-on-oct-7/
And from a different article:
The author says exactly what it matters in the next sentenceโฆ do you know how reading works lol?
Yes, 0.1% is a big part of any country to lose overnight BUT if israel didnโt try to turn this into justification for a genocide, and instead only responded with a couple weeks of missile strikes and pregnant women sniped, then they would be far better off today than they actually are, which is basically with their back against a chasm and the whole world gradually getting more and more pissed off at them
Which is exactly what UNZ did. Explicitly claim that most of the casualties on the day were inflicted by the IDF, which is simply impossible because many weren't even fucking there.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were firing machine guns and a stray round or ricochet hit a civilian. That's actual collateral damage.
Again, what the fuck does that matter? The purpose of the population percentage argument is only to minimize the attack. If we accept that Israel's response is genocidal, then it still wouldn't matter how many were killed, because the issue is the act of genocide. If the response is not genocidal, then it still doesn't matter how many people were killed, because it matters what Israel should be doing in response to some number of Israeli citizens being killed.
The proportion of dead shouldn't matter to what type of response needs to happen, especially if we are asserting that genocides are wholly unethical.
Youโre making some good points from the perspective of an individual with a consistent set of views being applied to, I guess, this and other discussions. However I think that perspective misses the point of the article. Iโll try to summarize what I think the point mostly is:
For everyone out there looking at this situation from a perspective which isnโt an israeli or a palestinian there is a different breaking point where they will go from seeing the situation as itโs always been presented in the mainstream media and start to see it for what it is (a genocide).
This breaking point is different for every person. For muslims nearby, they saw the crisis and the refugees first hand and have long hated israel for their actions. But in the West thatโs just not the case. The default position is โthe jews deserve a homeland, thatโs where it has to beโ. They donโt see it as a an invasion followed by a colonization amounting to a slow genocide. That is, until they start to see first hand what israel justifies in its pursuit of โa homelandโ.
In the last year alone weโve seen
Tens of thousands of woman and children murdered (war crime)
Thousands of booby trapped (war crime) devices exploded indiscriminately (war crime)
โisraeli victimsโ as often as not being more accurately described as โvictims of israeli friendly fireโ
Gang rape of prisoners being sanctioned by superiors in the govt and army and supported by mass demonstrations of the population
Severe torture unto death of doctors and other aid workers
Targeted assassinations of the people currently negotiating ceasefires, conducted in other counties, like Syria and Iran
Open discussion by israeli leadership of the โGreater Israelโ plan to invade and seize parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc based on nothing but their delusional racist fantasies
And on and on and on, the war crimes are almost too many to list - and thatโs just in the last year, this has been happening (to various degrees) for 7 decades. The point of the article is that given how insane the zionists have gotten recently, more and more people have been forced to reckon with reality. And this reckoning doesnโt look good for the modern state of israelโฆ
Actuallyโand if you read the article, the further context reinforces thisโheโs saying they werenโt insignificant, and itโs understandable that it would be shocking. It tripped me up the first time I read the sentence as well.
Fuck.
I still don't think it's a relevant detail to bring up, but that makes more sense.
You werenโt the one who reported it right?
No.
Remember that Benjamin Netanyahu sacrificed the lives of many of his own citizens so he could take the heat off trying to claim more power for himself and the executive branch. The parallels to 9/11 are extreme.
Now I'm curious how much verifiable evidence there is of these actions, compared to what is said of the Nazi "death camps."
Anything I say on this will most likely catch me another ban. So instead I will just say go fuck yourself, Dom. Read this article and choke on it, you treasonous sack of controlled opposition shit.
Iโll just say two things:
I commend Dom for allowing the Unz Review to be posted here, when he could just, like most other forums (like the default communities of .win), issue a blanket domain ban and point to an article or two by a hyperbolic (funny) dick like Andrew Anglin as โjustificationโ.
I do find it funny though, because at one point I had a comment removed for bringing up โthe ZOGโ - in this article, we have (jewish) Ron Unz concurring with two young jewish journalists (Aaron Matรฉ and Max Blumenthal) that โthe ZOGโ is at this point a reality undeniable by any sane, honest person who looks at the world today
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He literally didn't do that.
Also hi Aids
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For the most part, there's no rule violating content, but the author quotes himself in a previous article regarding his review of the book "The Jewish Threat" and then actually does push rule violating content.
Nigga are you gay? Find the exact quote please.
Also Ron Unz is a jew
Also who reported this? A sockpuppet with no recent comments? Or an israel dick rider who didnโt even bother defending their views in the comments?
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