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Lindsey "It's Ma'am" Graham shows his loyalties again (nitter.poast.org)
posted 1 year ago by ArchRespawnsAgain 1 year ago by ArchRespawnsAgain +52 / -0
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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

He doesn't give a shit about abortion. If he did, he'd have to admit that his abortion ban would be made unconstitutional by the same decision that banned Roe v. Wade, which he would respond with a constitutional amendment to overturn that very decision, which welcomes abortion back in.

It also feeds into the normie "the left goes too far one way, then the right goes too far the other" sentiment which has basically killed all of the anti-abortion efforts in every state so far.

Ohio is an abortion on demand state because of that sentiment. 9 Month abortions are legal if any doctor claims a woman may be "harmed" by a pregnancy.

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– TheModernDaVinci 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

And since it is always brought up as an example (including by Trump himself) let me tell you what happened here in Kansas.

A large amount of the state wanted to move it back from the current 24 week limit to closer to 14-16 weeks. Because despite what a lot of people think we are actually fairly reasonable around here and the Evangelical types dont actually hold as much power statewide as you would think. Legislation doing exactly that move was drawn up, but then the handful of Evangelicals that do have power used it to gradually turn it into an attempt to completely ban the practice in the state.

This then went up to a vote, and in the same election where we kept a fairly conservative State House with a veto-proof majority over the governor, and elected conservatives to every executive position except governor, the law regarding abortion flopped hard with 60-40 split. Driven largely on people like me and my family voting it down despite voting Republican for everything else. If they had just been more reasonable, they probably would have gotten what they wanted.

Which is why even as much as I listen to Ben Shapiro, him dinging Vance for "dodging the issue" at the debate is another example of Ben not seeming to realize the situation has changed (along with his "100% free trade, no tariffs ever" stance). Sorry Ben, you and other hardcore Pro-Lifers can be pissed all you want, but you have lost on the issue, and you need to fix a hell of a lot more about the culture before you can even think about banning it.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Considering most of these establishment Republicans are busy fucking kids, or killing them elsewhere, I'm confident this has nothing to do with getting abortion banned because they're strong moralists, but because they want Trump and Republicans to lose, and enshrine abortion state-wide.

I like 100% Free Trade too! But it ain't Free Trade is the government is heavily involved on one side. Ben Shapiro is trying to win a Culture War he already lost 10 years ago, with a Corporatist alliance that are now diametrically opposed to the people of the US.

Sometimes when it comes to the genuine moral conservatives, they grew up in an echo-chamber and fail to understand how broken and degenerate society actually is. It's like when Michael Knowles was on the Whatever Podcast and was shocked that the OnlyFans thots across from him had slept with (at least) 30 people by the time they were 25.

They think they can impose morality on a population that's already beyond degenerate. 50% of the population is anti-moral. You can't impose morality on that.

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– BeefyBelisarius 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

which he would respond with a constitutional amendment to overturn that very decision, which welcomes abortion back in.

How would a constitutional amendment banning abortion welcome abortion back in?

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– FrozeInFear 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

He's built up a complicated hypothetical.
Supposedly a law made to ban abortion would be found unconstitutional because of the same Supreme Court ruling that overturned Roe v Wade.
The proposal then is to amend the constitution to allow the abortion ban.
He's suggesting that the proposed amendment would overturn that ruling that originally overturned Roe v Wade, apparently making abortion legal again.

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– BeefyBelisarius 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Which is ridiculous, because if there's enough political support to ratify a law saying the federal government can make laws about abortion, with the clear intent of passing a ban right after, then they could simply ratify an amendment banning it. Or maybe he doesn't understand that the SC ruled that the federal government doesn't have jurisdiction over abortion?

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Because it wouldn't be a constitutional ban on abortion. It would be a constitutional amendment to regulate abortion at the federal level.

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– BeefyBelisarius 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

That's just a ban with more steps and additional stupid risks. If they could do that, they could simply ratify an amendment banning it and avoid the risk.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Those risks are the point.

None of the Republican establishment calling for an abortion ban have any interest in banning abortion. They want to ratify federal abortion regulations to make sure it stays a federal issue to argue about, and probably to also just kill kids because they don't genuinely oppose abortion anyway.

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