Fascism is the practical application of Socialism.
National Socialism is the practical application of Race Communism.
The more the Leftist tries to make his ideals work, the more he becomes a Fascist or a National Socialist. This is because if he tries to hold to his raw principles (like Bolshevism or Anarcho-Communism) the either dies or immediately kills the guy standing next to him. His ideology is so blood-thirsty and psychotic that it can only work when he off-loads his blood-thirsty psychosis to the state to manage for him. Hence, why it is practical.
Fascism is the practical application of Socialism.
I'm not a fascist myself (actually a bit of a lolbertarian, insert laughter here), but that's a massive oversimplification. You people love to say fascism is socialism is leftism, to try to discredit people you call Nazis. Ironically, a leftist tactic itself. Your argument is literally the leftist argument of calling anyone a Nazi, but you just extrapolate to then say that all Nazis are leftists, because that's a more damaging attack to the targets you use it on.
I could go into detail how fascism isn't (always) socialism or leftism, but that isn't really the point. I started to, but then deleted it. Point is, your argument amounts to calling people you disagree with leftists, while passing through Nazism first, as mentioned above. It doesn't really matter if fascism is socialism or not; it's a disingenuous attack, unless used against people who explicitly wear the Nazi label. And even then, you have to back it up a bit, or you're just calling people leftists, just like the left calls everyone Nazis.
Being pro-white does not mean you're a Nazi, and being Nazi does not mean you're a leftist.
Being pro-white, as a white person, is good. That has nothing to do with Nazism, socialism, or leftism.
I'm white. I like white people. More importantly, I stand by the right to say that, from a freedom perspective. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not a socialist. I'm not a leftist. I am pro-white, though.
Fascism is Socialism explicitly, by it's own terminology. It just happens to be a very specific variant of Socialism which can be summarized to: Italian State Syndicalism.
Fascism is Socialism. There is no mechanism which allows it to not be Socialism. It literally can't be anything else. You can claim that "calling people you disagree with leftists" is simply not part of it. I disagree with Monarchism, but I've never called a Monarchist a Leftist, because Monarchism is not part of Leftism. Fascism is Leftism because it is Leftism. Disagreeing with me is irrelevant. Communism, Socialism, Fabian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy, Progressivism, Fascism, National Socialism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Titoism, Maoism, Marxism, Marxist-Leninism, are all Leftist ideologies due to them ideologically stemming from Rousseau.
Furthermore, I'm not going to call National Socialists Fascists, because Fascism and National Socialism are distinct enough to be clearly separate ideologies. No aspect of Fascism is intertwined with Aryanism. In fact, Fascism is structured as a kind of Civic Nationalism, which is why Mussolini never targeted jews as a bourgouis race, at until the National Socialists controlled what was left of government.
Being pro-white does not mean your a NatSoc. Being a NatSoc makes you unequivocally a Leftist.
The problem with American National Socialism is that it frames itself as the sole legitimate defenders of white people. The same way every Leftist ideology claims authority over it's asserted protected group. Like all other Leftist ideologies, they are liars who are guaranteed to harm that protected group more than anyone else.
Fascism is Socialism explicitly...Fascism is Socialism....Furthermore, I'm not going to call National Socialists Fascists, because Fascism and National Socialism are distinct enough to be clearly separate ideologies.
Yes, I get that you're saying fascism is socialism, but socialism isn't necessarily fascism...but still. I still think the whole thing is a bit convoluted just to call people you disagree with Bad.
The people you keep calling fascists/socialists/leftists are people you're accusing of being national socialists. You continually call people Nazis, and then call them fascists and leftists.
You're pouring out a lot of Evocative and Capitalized words to try to send a message, but it's not consistent.
Fascism is structured as a kind of Civic Nationalism, which is why Mussolini never targeted jews as a bourgouis race, at until the National Socialists controlled what was left of government.
But...fascism is leftist is socialism, as you've said. So...civic nationalism is leftism? But ethnic nationalism is fascism/Nazism, which is also leftism?
You never answered how you can be pro-white without being a leftist according to you, and this just deepens the question. Can you even be a plain old nationalist without being a leftist, in your eyes?
If I can't advocate for my own people without being a leftist socialist...is there a way I can at least advocate for my nation without being a leftist socialist, or...? Again, do we just lay down and die, else be labeled leftists?
The problem with American National Socialism is that it frames itself as the sole legitimate defenders of white people.
Ahhhh. Clever. Ish.
You did it again. You flipped them. You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is. You're reading that into any vaguely pro-white sentiment. For whatever reason.
Very few people here are actual National Socialists. And yet you seem to think like half the board is, and that's simply and categorically not true.
It's not convoluted. Fascism is simply a category of Socialism, and Socialism is a category under Leftism. The fact that all Leftists are bad is not my fault. Rousseau is just a rampaging, delusional, lunatic, who supports state-sponsored terrorism (for freedom?) and Marx is at war with God. I can't fix that. Absolute Monarchy is bad to me, so is Islamic Theocracy. But I don't need to call people those when it doesn't follow. We're just littered with Leftists is all.
And no, I call White Nationalists National Socialists, because that's actually what they want, and how they behave. I've never called a National Socialist a Fascist because those are entirely different things. I've only seen one self-avowed Fascist on this board.
civic nationalism is leftism?
Leftism, as I said many years ago back on Reddit, is a Philosophy of War. You don't say "sieges are warfare, but ceasefires are not". A war may intentionally involve either, neither, or both for it's objective: dominating the will of another. The tactics are irrelevant, this why Leftists say "No Bad Tactics, only Bad Targets".
Nationalism comes in many forms, but the 2 most common forms: Civic and Ethnic. Leftism may use any form of Nationalism, or even reject Nationalism entirely, at will, to achieve an objective. Stalinism rejected Nationalism, until it was necessary for The Great Patriotic War. Many communist states were Isolationist because of theories about Autarky. Mussolini argued to the Communist Internationale that the Marxist philosophy had failed to come to fruition because many Socialists had rejected Nationalism; while many Socialists had been using Nationalism to foment rebellion in the European Empires as a form of anti-Colonialism.
All this is to say that Leftism comes in many flavors. Just because it's called "Rocky Road" doesn't mean it's no longer Ice Cream.
You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is.
I call National Socialists National Socialists because they are National Socialists. The primary group of fake "pro-whites" on the forum are National Socialists (excluding feds & Qataris pretending to be NatSocs) because they literally espouse National Socialism and National Socialist narratives and talking points. There's also the fact they hang out on ConPro with a big picture of Adolf Hitler on the banner, and repeat his National Socialist narratives of history. They're pro National Socialism and anti-Capitalism screeds are also a good indicator of their National Socialism. Hell, I can also talk to them, and have them literally repeat to me: "White Socialism has never been tried."
This very conversation is fucking spawned by an American National Socialist who made the 14 words. "But what does the American National Socialist movement have to do with National Socialism, bro?" is not a good enough excuse.
Fascism is the practical application of Socialism.
National Socialism is the practical application of Race Communism.
The more the Leftist tries to make his ideals work, the more he becomes a Fascist or a National Socialist. This is because if he tries to hold to his raw principles (like Bolshevism or Anarcho-Communism) the either dies or immediately kills the guy standing next to him. His ideology is so blood-thirsty and psychotic that it can only work when he off-loads his blood-thirsty psychosis to the state to manage for him. Hence, why it is practical.
I'm not a fascist myself (actually a bit of a lolbertarian, insert laughter here), but that's a massive oversimplification. You people love to say fascism is socialism is leftism, to try to discredit people you call Nazis. Ironically, a leftist tactic itself. Your argument is literally the leftist argument of calling anyone a Nazi, but you just extrapolate to then say that all Nazis are leftists, because that's a more damaging attack to the targets you use it on.
I could go into detail how fascism isn't (always) socialism or leftism, but that isn't really the point. I started to, but then deleted it. Point is, your argument amounts to calling people you disagree with leftists, while passing through Nazism first, as mentioned above. It doesn't really matter if fascism is socialism or not; it's a disingenuous attack, unless used against people who explicitly wear the Nazi label. And even then, you have to back it up a bit, or you're just calling people leftists, just like the left calls everyone Nazis.
Being pro-white does not mean you're a Nazi, and being Nazi does not mean you're a leftist.
Being pro-white, as a white person, is good. That has nothing to do with Nazism, socialism, or leftism.
I'm white. I like white people. More importantly, I stand by the right to say that, from a freedom perspective. I'm not a Nazi. I'm not a socialist. I'm not a leftist. I am pro-white, though.
Fascism is Socialism explicitly, by it's own terminology. It just happens to be a very specific variant of Socialism which can be summarized to: Italian State Syndicalism.
Fascism is Socialism. There is no mechanism which allows it to not be Socialism. It literally can't be anything else. You can claim that "calling people you disagree with leftists" is simply not part of it. I disagree with Monarchism, but I've never called a Monarchist a Leftist, because Monarchism is not part of Leftism. Fascism is Leftism because it is Leftism. Disagreeing with me is irrelevant. Communism, Socialism, Fabian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy, Progressivism, Fascism, National Socialism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Titoism, Maoism, Marxism, Marxist-Leninism, are all Leftist ideologies due to them ideologically stemming from Rousseau.
Furthermore, I'm not going to call National Socialists Fascists, because Fascism and National Socialism are distinct enough to be clearly separate ideologies. No aspect of Fascism is intertwined with Aryanism. In fact, Fascism is structured as a kind of Civic Nationalism, which is why Mussolini never targeted jews as a bourgouis race, at until the National Socialists controlled what was left of government.
Being pro-white does not mean your a NatSoc. Being a NatSoc makes you unequivocally a Leftist.
The problem with American National Socialism is that it frames itself as the sole legitimate defenders of white people. The same way every Leftist ideology claims authority over it's asserted protected group. Like all other Leftist ideologies, they are liars who are guaranteed to harm that protected group more than anyone else.
Yes, I get that you're saying fascism is socialism, but socialism isn't necessarily fascism...but still. I still think the whole thing is a bit convoluted just to call people you disagree with Bad.
The people you keep calling fascists/socialists/leftists are people you're accusing of being national socialists. You continually call people Nazis, and then call them fascists and leftists.
You're pouring out a lot of Evocative and Capitalized words to try to send a message, but it's not consistent.
But...fascism is leftist is socialism, as you've said. So...civic nationalism is leftism? But ethnic nationalism is fascism/Nazism, which is also leftism?
You never answered how you can be pro-white without being a leftist according to you, and this just deepens the question. Can you even be a plain old nationalist without being a leftist, in your eyes?
If I can't advocate for my own people without being a leftist socialist...is there a way I can at least advocate for my nation without being a leftist socialist, or...? Again, do we just lay down and die, else be labeled leftists?
Ahhhh. Clever. Ish.
You did it again. You flipped them. You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is. You're reading that into any vaguely pro-white sentiment. For whatever reason.
Very few people here are actual National Socialists. And yet you seem to think like half the board is, and that's simply and categorically not true.
It's not convoluted. Fascism is simply a category of Socialism, and Socialism is a category under Leftism. The fact that all Leftists are bad is not my fault. Rousseau is just a rampaging, delusional, lunatic, who supports state-sponsored terrorism (for freedom?) and Marx is at war with God. I can't fix that. Absolute Monarchy is bad to me, so is Islamic Theocracy. But I don't need to call people those when it doesn't follow. We're just littered with Leftists is all.
And no, I call White Nationalists National Socialists, because that's actually what they want, and how they behave. I've never called a National Socialist a Fascist because those are entirely different things. I've only seen one self-avowed Fascist on this board.
Leftism, as I said many years ago back on Reddit, is a Philosophy of War. You don't say "sieges are warfare, but ceasefires are not". A war may intentionally involve either, neither, or both for it's objective: dominating the will of another. The tactics are irrelevant, this why Leftists say "No Bad Tactics, only Bad Targets".
Nationalism comes in many forms, but the 2 most common forms: Civic and Ethnic. Leftism may use any form of Nationalism, or even reject Nationalism entirely, at will, to achieve an objective. Stalinism rejected Nationalism, until it was necessary for The Great Patriotic War. Many communist states were Isolationist because of theories about Autarky. Mussolini argued to the Communist Internationale that the Marxist philosophy had failed to come to fruition because many Socialists had rejected Nationalism; while many Socialists had been using Nationalism to foment rebellion in the European Empires as a form of anti-Colonialism.
All this is to say that Leftism comes in many flavors. Just because it's called "Rocky Road" doesn't mean it's no longer Ice Cream.
I call National Socialists National Socialists because they are National Socialists. The primary group of fake "pro-whites" on the forum are National Socialists (excluding feds & Qataris pretending to be NatSocs) because they literally espouse National Socialism and National Socialist narratives and talking points. There's also the fact they hang out on ConPro with a big picture of Adolf Hitler on the banner, and repeat his National Socialist narratives of history. They're pro National Socialism and anti-Capitalism screeds are also a good indicator of their National Socialism. Hell, I can also talk to them, and have them literally repeat to me: "White Socialism has never been tried."
This very conversation is fucking spawned by an American National Socialist who made the 14 words. "But what does the American National Socialist movement have to do with National Socialism, bro?" is not a good enough excuse.