It's not convoluted. Fascism is simply a category of Socialism, and Socialism is a category under Leftism. The fact that all Leftists are bad is not my fault. Rousseau is just a rampaging, delusional, lunatic, who supports state-sponsored terrorism (for freedom?) and Marx is at war with God. I can't fix that. Absolute Monarchy is bad to me, so is Islamic Theocracy. But I don't need to call people those when it doesn't follow. We're just littered with Leftists is all.
And no, I call White Nationalists National Socialists, because that's actually what they want, and how they behave. I've never called a National Socialist a Fascist because those are entirely different things. I've only seen one self-avowed Fascist on this board.
civic nationalism is leftism?
Leftism, as I said many years ago back on Reddit, is a Philosophy of War. You don't say "sieges are warfare, but ceasefires are not". A war may intentionally involve either, neither, or both for it's objective: dominating the will of another. The tactics are irrelevant, this why Leftists say "No Bad Tactics, only Bad Targets".
Nationalism comes in many forms, but the 2 most common forms: Civic and Ethnic. Leftism may use any form of Nationalism, or even reject Nationalism entirely, at will, to achieve an objective. Stalinism rejected Nationalism, until it was necessary for The Great Patriotic War. Many communist states were Isolationist because of theories about Autarky. Mussolini argued to the Communist Internationale that the Marxist philosophy had failed to come to fruition because many Socialists had rejected Nationalism; while many Socialists had been using Nationalism to foment rebellion in the European Empires as a form of anti-Colonialism.
All this is to say that Leftism comes in many flavors. Just because it's called "Rocky Road" doesn't mean it's no longer Ice Cream.
You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is.
I call National Socialists National Socialists because they are National Socialists. The primary group of fake "pro-whites" on the forum are National Socialists (excluding feds & Qataris pretending to be NatSocs) because they literally espouse National Socialism and National Socialist narratives and talking points. There's also the fact they hang out on ConPro with a big picture of Adolf Hitler on the banner, and repeat his National Socialist narratives of history. They're pro National Socialism and anti-Capitalism screeds are also a good indicator of their National Socialism. Hell, I can also talk to them, and have them literally repeat to me: "White Socialism has never been tried."
This very conversation is fucking spawned by an American National Socialist who made the 14 words. "But what does the American National Socialist movement have to do with National Socialism, bro?" is not a good enough excuse.
You keep accusing pro whites of being socialists, while also claiming you're just accusing socialists. You say you can be pro white without being a socialist, but you keep leaping on pro white sentiments as being socialist.
You brought up socialism, when all I said was I agreed with the fourteen words, securing the existence of our people and a future for white children.
You went off on a spiel about how anyone who says that is socialist, and believes socialism is the best way to protect white people.
the idea that the best way to protect white people is with socialism; well that's a special case of retard.
Socialism didn't protect Russia, Germany, or Britain. Imagine being fucking retarded enough to think that therefore Socialism would protect white people, when Socialism is actively destroying white people right now.
I didn't say socialism. I said protect white people.
You said white people aren't and never will be in danger of dying out.
White people as a racial construct are not going to simply die out, that's not really a thing.
It's all nonsense, denial, unfounded attacks, and linguistic trickery.
White people should be protecting themselves, they are under attack, and they are in danger.
I'm not accusing pro-whites of Socialism. I'm accusing Socialists of Socialism. I explicitly told you how you could be pro-white without Socialism.
The 14 words were written by a National Socialist. It's relevant to the context because Socialists are trying to monopolize whites as a clientele group. I never said that everyone who says it is a socialist, I fucking said it. I said it because people on this very thread said that it wasn't said.
I never said white people shouldn't protect themselves. But protecting themselves with Socialism is no different from suicide.
...Socialists are trying to monopolize whites as a clientele group.
And you're trying to monopolize pro-whites as socialist.
But protecting themselves with Socialism is no different from suicide.
We're just going in circles, and I think we'll call it here, but again, you just say anyone who wants anything for whites, or a white identity, is a socialist. So the whole thing is pointless.
You even said white people having any sort of identity is not pro-white, and presumably falls into the 'socialist' group.
It's not convoluted. Fascism is simply a category of Socialism, and Socialism is a category under Leftism. The fact that all Leftists are bad is not my fault. Rousseau is just a rampaging, delusional, lunatic, who supports state-sponsored terrorism (for freedom?) and Marx is at war with God. I can't fix that. Absolute Monarchy is bad to me, so is Islamic Theocracy. But I don't need to call people those when it doesn't follow. We're just littered with Leftists is all.
And no, I call White Nationalists National Socialists, because that's actually what they want, and how they behave. I've never called a National Socialist a Fascist because those are entirely different things. I've only seen one self-avowed Fascist on this board.
Leftism, as I said many years ago back on Reddit, is a Philosophy of War. You don't say "sieges are warfare, but ceasefires are not". A war may intentionally involve either, neither, or both for it's objective: dominating the will of another. The tactics are irrelevant, this why Leftists say "No Bad Tactics, only Bad Targets".
Nationalism comes in many forms, but the 2 most common forms: Civic and Ethnic. Leftism may use any form of Nationalism, or even reject Nationalism entirely, at will, to achieve an objective. Stalinism rejected Nationalism, until it was necessary for The Great Patriotic War. Many communist states were Isolationist because of theories about Autarky. Mussolini argued to the Communist Internationale that the Marxist philosophy had failed to come to fruition because many Socialists had rejected Nationalism; while many Socialists had been using Nationalism to foment rebellion in the European Empires as a form of anti-Colonialism.
All this is to say that Leftism comes in many flavors. Just because it's called "Rocky Road" doesn't mean it's no longer Ice Cream.
I call National Socialists National Socialists because they are National Socialists. The primary group of fake "pro-whites" on the forum are National Socialists (excluding feds & Qataris pretending to be NatSocs) because they literally espouse National Socialism and National Socialist narratives and talking points. There's also the fact they hang out on ConPro with a big picture of Adolf Hitler on the banner, and repeat his National Socialist narratives of history. They're pro National Socialism and anti-Capitalism screeds are also a good indicator of their National Socialism. Hell, I can also talk to them, and have them literally repeat to me: "White Socialism has never been tried."
This very conversation is fucking spawned by an American National Socialist who made the 14 words. "But what does the American National Socialist movement have to do with National Socialism, bro?" is not a good enough excuse.
You keep accusing pro whites of being socialists, while also claiming you're just accusing socialists. You say you can be pro white without being a socialist, but you keep leaping on pro white sentiments as being socialist.
You brought up socialism, when all I said was I agreed with the fourteen words, securing the existence of our people and a future for white children.
You went off on a spiel about how anyone who says that is socialist, and believes socialism is the best way to protect white people.
I didn't say socialism. I said protect white people.
You said white people aren't and never will be in danger of dying out.
It's all nonsense, denial, unfounded attacks, and linguistic trickery.
White people should be protecting themselves, they are under attack, and they are in danger.
I'm not accusing pro-whites of Socialism. I'm accusing Socialists of Socialism. I explicitly told you how you could be pro-white without Socialism.
The 14 words were written by a National Socialist. It's relevant to the context because Socialists are trying to monopolize whites as a clientele group. I never said that everyone who says it is a socialist, I fucking said it. I said it because people on this very thread said that it wasn't said.
I never said white people shouldn't protect themselves. But protecting themselves with Socialism is no different from suicide.
But you are.
And you're trying to monopolize pro-whites as socialist.
We're just going in circles, and I think we'll call it here, but again, you just say anyone who wants anything for whites, or a white identity, is a socialist. So the whole thing is pointless.
You even said white people having any sort of identity is not pro-white, and presumably falls into the 'socialist' group.
Your just lying to yourself about what I'm saying. And no, I've never said that whites having an identity is socialist. That's just not reality.