Fascism is Socialism explicitly, by it's own terminology. It just happens to be a very specific variant of Socialism which can be summarized to: Italian State Syndicalism.
Fascism is Socialism. There is no mechanism which allows it to not be Socialism. It literally can't be anything else. You can claim that "calling people you disagree with leftists" is simply not part of it. I disagree with Monarchism, but I've never called a Monarchist a Leftist, because Monarchism is not part of Leftism. Fascism is Leftism because it is Leftism. Disagreeing with me is irrelevant. Communism, Socialism, Fabian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy, Progressivism, Fascism, National Socialism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Titoism, Maoism, Marxism, Marxist-Leninism, are all Leftist ideologies due to them ideologically stemming from Rousseau.
Furthermore, I'm not going to call National Socialists Fascists, because Fascism and National Socialism are distinct enough to be clearly separate ideologies. No aspect of Fascism is intertwined with Aryanism. In fact, Fascism is structured as a kind of Civic Nationalism, which is why Mussolini never targeted jews as a bourgouis race, at until the National Socialists controlled what was left of government.
Being pro-white does not mean your a NatSoc. Being a NatSoc makes you unequivocally a Leftist.
The problem with American National Socialism is that it frames itself as the sole legitimate defenders of white people. The same way every Leftist ideology claims authority over it's asserted protected group. Like all other Leftist ideologies, they are liars who are guaranteed to harm that protected group more than anyone else.
Fascism is Socialism explicitly...Fascism is Socialism....Furthermore, I'm not going to call National Socialists Fascists, because Fascism and National Socialism are distinct enough to be clearly separate ideologies.
Yes, I get that you're saying fascism is socialism, but socialism isn't necessarily fascism...but still. I still think the whole thing is a bit convoluted just to call people you disagree with Bad.
The people you keep calling fascists/socialists/leftists are people you're accusing of being national socialists. You continually call people Nazis, and then call them fascists and leftists.
You're pouring out a lot of Evocative and Capitalized words to try to send a message, but it's not consistent.
Fascism is structured as a kind of Civic Nationalism, which is why Mussolini never targeted jews as a bourgouis race, at until the National Socialists controlled what was left of government.
But...fascism is leftist is socialism, as you've said. So...civic nationalism is leftism? But ethnic nationalism is fascism/Nazism, which is also leftism?
You never answered how you can be pro-white without being a leftist according to you, and this just deepens the question. Can you even be a plain old nationalist without being a leftist, in your eyes?
If I can't advocate for my own people without being a leftist socialist...is there a way I can at least advocate for my nation without being a leftist socialist, or...? Again, do we just lay down and die, else be labeled leftists?
The problem with American National Socialism is that it frames itself as the sole legitimate defenders of white people.
Ahhhh. Clever. Ish.
You did it again. You flipped them. You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is. You're reading that into any vaguely pro-white sentiment. For whatever reason.
Very few people here are actual National Socialists. And yet you seem to think like half the board is, and that's simply and categorically not true.
It's not convoluted. Fascism is simply a category of Socialism, and Socialism is a category under Leftism. The fact that all Leftists are bad is not my fault. Rousseau is just a rampaging, delusional, lunatic, who supports state-sponsored terrorism (for freedom?) and Marx is at war with God. I can't fix that. Absolute Monarchy is bad to me, so is Islamic Theocracy. But I don't need to call people those when it doesn't follow. We're just littered with Leftists is all.
And no, I call White Nationalists National Socialists, because that's actually what they want, and how they behave. I've never called a National Socialist a Fascist because those are entirely different things. I've only seen one self-avowed Fascist on this board.
civic nationalism is leftism?
Leftism, as I said many years ago back on Reddit, is a Philosophy of War. You don't say "sieges are warfare, but ceasefires are not". A war may intentionally involve either, neither, or both for it's objective: dominating the will of another. The tactics are irrelevant, this why Leftists say "No Bad Tactics, only Bad Targets".
Nationalism comes in many forms, but the 2 most common forms: Civic and Ethnic. Leftism may use any form of Nationalism, or even reject Nationalism entirely, at will, to achieve an objective. Stalinism rejected Nationalism, until it was necessary for The Great Patriotic War. Many communist states were Isolationist because of theories about Autarky. Mussolini argued to the Communist Internationale that the Marxist philosophy had failed to come to fruition because many Socialists had rejected Nationalism; while many Socialists had been using Nationalism to foment rebellion in the European Empires as a form of anti-Colonialism.
All this is to say that Leftism comes in many flavors. Just because it's called "Rocky Road" doesn't mean it's no longer Ice Cream.
You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is.
I call National Socialists National Socialists because they are National Socialists. The primary group of fake "pro-whites" on the forum are National Socialists (excluding feds & Qataris pretending to be NatSocs) because they literally espouse National Socialism and National Socialist narratives and talking points. There's also the fact they hang out on ConPro with a big picture of Adolf Hitler on the banner, and repeat his National Socialist narratives of history. They're pro National Socialism and anti-Capitalism screeds are also a good indicator of their National Socialism. Hell, I can also talk to them, and have them literally repeat to me: "White Socialism has never been tried."
This very conversation is fucking spawned by an American National Socialist who made the 14 words. "But what does the American National Socialist movement have to do with National Socialism, bro?" is not a good enough excuse.
You keep accusing pro whites of being socialists, while also claiming you're just accusing socialists. You say you can be pro white without being a socialist, but you keep leaping on pro white sentiments as being socialist.
You brought up socialism, when all I said was I agreed with the fourteen words, securing the existence of our people and a future for white children.
You went off on a spiel about how anyone who says that is socialist, and believes socialism is the best way to protect white people.
the idea that the best way to protect white people is with socialism; well that's a special case of retard.
Socialism didn't protect Russia, Germany, or Britain. Imagine being fucking retarded enough to think that therefore Socialism would protect white people, when Socialism is actively destroying white people right now.
I didn't say socialism. I said protect white people.
You said white people aren't and never will be in danger of dying out.
White people as a racial construct are not going to simply die out, that's not really a thing.
It's all nonsense, denial, unfounded attacks, and linguistic trickery.
White people should be protecting themselves, they are under attack, and they are in danger.
I'm not accusing pro-whites of Socialism. I'm accusing Socialists of Socialism. I explicitly told you how you could be pro-white without Socialism.
The 14 words were written by a National Socialist. It's relevant to the context because Socialists are trying to monopolize whites as a clientele group. I never said that everyone who says it is a socialist, I fucking said it. I said it because people on this very thread said that it wasn't said.
I never said white people shouldn't protect themselves. But protecting themselves with Socialism is no different from suicide.
Fascism is Socialism explicitly, by it's own terminology. It just happens to be a very specific variant of Socialism which can be summarized to: Italian State Syndicalism.
Fascism is Socialism. There is no mechanism which allows it to not be Socialism. It literally can't be anything else. You can claim that "calling people you disagree with leftists" is simply not part of it. I disagree with Monarchism, but I've never called a Monarchist a Leftist, because Monarchism is not part of Leftism. Fascism is Leftism because it is Leftism. Disagreeing with me is irrelevant. Communism, Socialism, Fabian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Social Democracy, Progressivism, Fascism, National Socialism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, Titoism, Maoism, Marxism, Marxist-Leninism, are all Leftist ideologies due to them ideologically stemming from Rousseau.
Furthermore, I'm not going to call National Socialists Fascists, because Fascism and National Socialism are distinct enough to be clearly separate ideologies. No aspect of Fascism is intertwined with Aryanism. In fact, Fascism is structured as a kind of Civic Nationalism, which is why Mussolini never targeted jews as a bourgouis race, at until the National Socialists controlled what was left of government.
Being pro-white does not mean your a NatSoc. Being a NatSoc makes you unequivocally a Leftist.
The problem with American National Socialism is that it frames itself as the sole legitimate defenders of white people. The same way every Leftist ideology claims authority over it's asserted protected group. Like all other Leftist ideologies, they are liars who are guaranteed to harm that protected group more than anyone else.
Yes, I get that you're saying fascism is socialism, but socialism isn't necessarily fascism...but still. I still think the whole thing is a bit convoluted just to call people you disagree with Bad.
The people you keep calling fascists/socialists/leftists are people you're accusing of being national socialists. You continually call people Nazis, and then call them fascists and leftists.
You're pouring out a lot of Evocative and Capitalized words to try to send a message, but it's not consistent.
But...fascism is leftist is socialism, as you've said. So...civic nationalism is leftism? But ethnic nationalism is fascism/Nazism, which is also leftism?
You never answered how you can be pro-white without being a leftist according to you, and this just deepens the question. Can you even be a plain old nationalist without being a leftist, in your eyes?
If I can't advocate for my own people without being a leftist socialist...is there a way I can at least advocate for my nation without being a leftist socialist, or...? Again, do we just lay down and die, else be labeled leftists?
Ahhhh. Clever. Ish.
You did it again. You flipped them. You're the one who keeps calling anyone pro-white a socialist, but then say that the issue isn't being pro-white, but the socialism. But you're the only one talking about socialism. No one else is. You're reading that into any vaguely pro-white sentiment. For whatever reason.
Very few people here are actual National Socialists. And yet you seem to think like half the board is, and that's simply and categorically not true.
It's not convoluted. Fascism is simply a category of Socialism, and Socialism is a category under Leftism. The fact that all Leftists are bad is not my fault. Rousseau is just a rampaging, delusional, lunatic, who supports state-sponsored terrorism (for freedom?) and Marx is at war with God. I can't fix that. Absolute Monarchy is bad to me, so is Islamic Theocracy. But I don't need to call people those when it doesn't follow. We're just littered with Leftists is all.
And no, I call White Nationalists National Socialists, because that's actually what they want, and how they behave. I've never called a National Socialist a Fascist because those are entirely different things. I've only seen one self-avowed Fascist on this board.
Leftism, as I said many years ago back on Reddit, is a Philosophy of War. You don't say "sieges are warfare, but ceasefires are not". A war may intentionally involve either, neither, or both for it's objective: dominating the will of another. The tactics are irrelevant, this why Leftists say "No Bad Tactics, only Bad Targets".
Nationalism comes in many forms, but the 2 most common forms: Civic and Ethnic. Leftism may use any form of Nationalism, or even reject Nationalism entirely, at will, to achieve an objective. Stalinism rejected Nationalism, until it was necessary for The Great Patriotic War. Many communist states were Isolationist because of theories about Autarky. Mussolini argued to the Communist Internationale that the Marxist philosophy had failed to come to fruition because many Socialists had rejected Nationalism; while many Socialists had been using Nationalism to foment rebellion in the European Empires as a form of anti-Colonialism.
All this is to say that Leftism comes in many flavors. Just because it's called "Rocky Road" doesn't mean it's no longer Ice Cream.
I call National Socialists National Socialists because they are National Socialists. The primary group of fake "pro-whites" on the forum are National Socialists (excluding feds & Qataris pretending to be NatSocs) because they literally espouse National Socialism and National Socialist narratives and talking points. There's also the fact they hang out on ConPro with a big picture of Adolf Hitler on the banner, and repeat his National Socialist narratives of history. They're pro National Socialism and anti-Capitalism screeds are also a good indicator of their National Socialism. Hell, I can also talk to them, and have them literally repeat to me: "White Socialism has never been tried."
This very conversation is fucking spawned by an American National Socialist who made the 14 words. "But what does the American National Socialist movement have to do with National Socialism, bro?" is not a good enough excuse.
You keep accusing pro whites of being socialists, while also claiming you're just accusing socialists. You say you can be pro white without being a socialist, but you keep leaping on pro white sentiments as being socialist.
You brought up socialism, when all I said was I agreed with the fourteen words, securing the existence of our people and a future for white children.
You went off on a spiel about how anyone who says that is socialist, and believes socialism is the best way to protect white people.
I didn't say socialism. I said protect white people.
You said white people aren't and never will be in danger of dying out.
It's all nonsense, denial, unfounded attacks, and linguistic trickery.
White people should be protecting themselves, they are under attack, and they are in danger.
I'm not accusing pro-whites of Socialism. I'm accusing Socialists of Socialism. I explicitly told you how you could be pro-white without Socialism.
The 14 words were written by a National Socialist. It's relevant to the context because Socialists are trying to monopolize whites as a clientele group. I never said that everyone who says it is a socialist, I fucking said it. I said it because people on this very thread said that it wasn't said.
I never said white people shouldn't protect themselves. But protecting themselves with Socialism is no different from suicide.