That’s kinda the vibe I got from what little I’ve seen of the phenomena. Like some kind of “irl waifu”, and since you can’t see her you’re obviously going to project onto her aspects of your “idealized girl”.
ouuuuu she plays vidya and talks about manga and anime, maybe if I superchat just the right thing she’ll let me show her I’m husbando material
Then you add on top of that this weird “management” (pimp) system and it starts to just feel like twitch thots with extra steps
Then you add on top of that this weird “management” (pimp) system and it starts to just feel like twitch thots with extra steps
What is your definition of thot streaming? Because it kinda feels like a lot of people on the site defines 'thot streaming' as basically women streaming in general. In reality, vtubing, or at least corporate vtubing anyways, is an extension of idol culture, and to summarize vtubing as a whole, it's wrestling using anime avatars.
to summarize vtubing as a whole, it's wrestling using anime avatars.
Huh…that’s a view I’ve never seen articulated before, I can kind of see what you’re saying, based on what little I know of things (also that kind of explains more the “manager” angle - they can set up “storylines” between the girls or whatever)… interesting to say the least but is that really the full story?
What is your definition of thot streaming?
Basically, any time a woman streamer uses the fact she is a woman (explicitly or implicitly) to manipulate her male viewers into donating. This could be as basic as doing titty streams in hot tubs like used to plague twitch, or it could be a chick who always wears sweaters but emotionally manipulates her viewers with any of an infinite number of tactics (flirting for donos, grooming simps/white knights, leading on whale simps in dms, whatever)
is an extension of idol culture
Is that not basically like saying “is an extension of soft core porn culture”? Idol culture, like vtubing, is quite foreign to me, but my understanding is it is basically just soft core / “respectable” porn, and the girls often go into real porn after they age out. Correct me if I’m wrong please
Idol (performance/celebrity) and Idol (gravure) are different things. Although there are some blurred lines like some porn actresses debuting after quitting being an idol performer like you mention.
What’s the name of the numba 1 idol (performance/celebrity) magazine, so I can look at some covers. Because if they both involve young attractive girls in skimpy clothes, but some of them are pretending to sing, I don’t see much of a gap between the two. Much like “the pussycat dolls” or Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions, you can dress up soft core porn all you like, that doesn’t change the fundamental draw of the product
Even flesh-and-blood streamers are playing a character to some degree. From a slightly exaggerated version of themselves to someone like Dr. Disrespect. Hiding behind a jpg, model, or a mullet and shades are just different degrees of the same thing.
I get the impression there might be a heavy overlap with the DnD and MMO RPing groups too. Bunch of theater kids, basically.
This is the best answer, although someone unfamiliar with idols might not understand what it means.
Idols often play a character or persona in a more sanitized and scripted way vs. what you'd get from a regular streamer or entertainer. The very nature of vtubing is wearing an anime avatar, so it perfectly lends itself to idol culture and the expected facade. Add the anime aspect and some voice acting, and you have the perfect storm to bridge the gap between idols and existing anime fans.
Vtubing has become too broad to make sweeping generalization, but Hololive at least is essentially an idol organization. Maybe they're not everyone's cup of tea, but they uphold very high standards compared to your average Twitch streamer.
A disgusting potential that had crossed my mind too. Given how lucrative the whole thing is, and how artificial it is at its core, I would be more surprised to learn it isn't happening relatively often
The thing is, a large number of Vtubers’ IRL identities are known, and many of the non-corporate ones even make appearances at conventions as themselves (albeit wearing face masks), and for the most part, female vtubers are attractive women who choose to go behind the avatar of the character for whatever reason, mostly either the sake of security or being introverts otherwise
Sure, like I said in my original question there are conceivable reasons why someone would want to be a streamer without necessarily linking their real face/identity to it. I get that much. What I don’t get is the fandom. It’s turning grown men into something more unrecognizable than fucking kpop fans. And it’s not even like “oh we’re getting a real glimpse at who this girl is, she’s 100% genuine and the anime avatar is just for personal reasons” - I guaran-fucking-tee these chicks, “corporate” or not, are not being honest about themselves and their lives. For the corporate ones, it’s probably written into their contracts that they can’t been seen in public with their boyfriend/husband, much less discuss their existence on stream.
Explain it to me please, how is this any different than being a pokimane simp but almost objectively gayer? I’m open to changing my opinion I’m just letting you know where it currently stands
That’s kinda the vibe I got from what little I’ve seen of the phenomena. Like some kind of “irl waifu”, and since you can’t see her you’re obviously going to project onto her aspects of your “idealized girl”.
Then you add on top of that this weird “management” (pimp) system and it starts to just feel like twitch thots with extra steps
What is your definition of thot streaming? Because it kinda feels like a lot of people on the site defines 'thot streaming' as basically women streaming in general. In reality, vtubing, or at least corporate vtubing anyways, is an extension of idol culture, and to summarize vtubing as a whole, it's wrestling using anime avatars.
Huh…that’s a view I’ve never seen articulated before, I can kind of see what you’re saying, based on what little I know of things (also that kind of explains more the “manager” angle - they can set up “storylines” between the girls or whatever)… interesting to say the least but is that really the full story?
Basically, any time a woman streamer uses the fact she is a woman (explicitly or implicitly) to manipulate her male viewers into donating. This could be as basic as doing titty streams in hot tubs like used to plague twitch, or it could be a chick who always wears sweaters but emotionally manipulates her viewers with any of an infinite number of tactics (flirting for donos, grooming simps/white knights, leading on whale simps in dms, whatever)
Is that not basically like saying “is an extension of soft core porn culture”? Idol culture, like vtubing, is quite foreign to me, but my understanding is it is basically just soft core / “respectable” porn, and the girls often go into real porn after they age out. Correct me if I’m wrong please
Idol (performance/celebrity) and Idol (gravure) are different things. Although there are some blurred lines like some porn actresses debuting after quitting being an idol performer like you mention.
What’s the name of the numba 1 idol (performance/celebrity) magazine, so I can look at some covers. Because if they both involve young attractive girls in skimpy clothes, but some of them are pretending to sing, I don’t see much of a gap between the two. Much like “the pussycat dolls” or Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions, you can dress up soft core porn all you like, that doesn’t change the fundamental draw of the product
Even flesh-and-blood streamers are playing a character to some degree. From a slightly exaggerated version of themselves to someone like Dr. Disrespect. Hiding behind a jpg, model, or a mullet and shades are just different degrees of the same thing.
I get the impression there might be a heavy overlap with the DnD and MMO RPing groups too. Bunch of theater kids, basically.
This is the best answer, although someone unfamiliar with idols might not understand what it means.
Idols often play a character or persona in a more sanitized and scripted way vs. what you'd get from a regular streamer or entertainer. The very nature of vtubing is wearing an anime avatar, so it perfectly lends itself to idol culture and the expected facade. Add the anime aspect and some voice acting, and you have the perfect storm to bridge the gap between idols and existing anime fans.
Vtubing has become too broad to make sweeping generalization, but Hololive at least is essentially an idol organization. Maybe they're not everyone's cup of tea, but they uphold very high standards compared to your average Twitch streamer.
Don't make me tap the sign
...I wonder how many of them are actually guys using an AI voice.
Zentreya
A disgusting potential that had crossed my mind too. Given how lucrative the whole thing is, and how artificial it is at its core, I would be more surprised to learn it isn't happening relatively often
The thing is, a large number of Vtubers’ IRL identities are known, and many of the non-corporate ones even make appearances at conventions as themselves (albeit wearing face masks), and for the most part, female vtubers are attractive women who choose to go behind the avatar of the character for whatever reason, mostly either the sake of security or being introverts otherwise
Sure, like I said in my original question there are conceivable reasons why someone would want to be a streamer without necessarily linking their real face/identity to it. I get that much. What I don’t get is the fandom. It’s turning grown men into something more unrecognizable than fucking kpop fans. And it’s not even like “oh we’re getting a real glimpse at who this girl is, she’s 100% genuine and the anime avatar is just for personal reasons” - I guaran-fucking-tee these chicks, “corporate” or not, are not being honest about themselves and their lives. For the corporate ones, it’s probably written into their contracts that they can’t been seen in public with their boyfriend/husband, much less discuss their existence on stream.
Explain it to me please, how is this any different than being a pokimane simp but almost objectively gayer? I’m open to changing my opinion I’m just letting you know where it currently stands
Alot of tranny Vtubers really don't hide it, though. It's VERY obvious.
Zentraya is probably the Ur example, though. It's weird.
It's a stupid line of thought tho
If male, bad because he's pretending to be a grill.
If woman but ugly, bad because she's tricking men with her beauty
If woman but pretty, bad because she's no different from other ethots