Why? He's not wrong. They should still exist and they should still be used if necessary, but you should feel somewhat embarrassed about it and be thankful to any co-workers who went out of their way to cover for you.
Edit: Getting knocked on your ass by a one-day sickness is embarrassing regardless of work situation. It happens, but it's still an embarrassing show of weakness. If you disagree, you might want to get your blood-soy levels checked. That might be why you're sick.
Edit 2: You guys aren't getting it. I'm not saying it's some deep shame. It's a minor thing. Like if two people are going through a door in opposite directions and do the stupid little dance where neither can decide if they should go first. It happens to everyone. It's not a big deal. It's still embarrassing because you look like a retard. If you don't feel any embarrassment at all after looking weak or looking like a retard, it's because you're used to being seen that way. No one is saying you should go in and blow snot on everyone. Only that you should feel the slightest bit guilty for inconveniencing others to carry your responsibilities. But maybe I just still remember the slightest bit of a high-trust society.
I understand the sentiment but this leans way too much into the Japanese mentality of work-life balance. My sick days are a negotiated part of my contract. I feel no more hesitation in using them than I do in taking all of my paycheck home each week.
My boss at my first "real job" told me some good advice very early in my career that was entirely correct but I didn't follow as much as I should have: "it's my job to push you as hard as I can get away with, and it's your job to tell me when to stop".
Placed I've worked if you don't use sick days they're paid out as worked days.
So it's not like you're losing by coming to work with the sniffles. Taking a sick day you're really just taking a vacation day when you can't enjoy it.
I've worked plenty that were entirely "use it or lose it" with your sick days, and all your days off. Most of them early in my career at low end jobs, but that's where most people work too.
In those situations, you are literally working for free at your most miserable for an entire shift for every sick day you don't take. Double so because most of those work places won't let you "burn off" those days at the end because of things like >3 needing doctor's notes.
Then you're risking actually getting seriously ill and losing your job because you took too many 'mental health' days.
You can save a lot of money by not paying insurance, stashing away the premiums instead, and hoping for the best. Your sick days at a shitty company like that are insurance against being fired, because you're easily replaceable at any company with that policy.
I recall several occasions where co-workers, and their families by proxy, got sick because someone just couldn't bear the thought of staying home unless they were on their deathbed (in which case they would telecommute).
If you don't work every minute of your life until you die then you're not a man! And if you ever get sick or even sneeze once in your life then get out of the gene pool!
Being super self conscious and worried about appearances is far more soy than a man making a decision for himself about your own body. Nigger.
Also those coworkers will be far worse off if you show up, coughing and losing snot on everything, getting them all sick too (and then their families from there). I guess missing 1-3 shifts is so much worse than a possible half dozen or more when you are such a manly man man.
I also find it funny at the idea of a job grinding to a halt and being this big burden on others because someone takes a couple days off sick. What happens if you quit? Gonna feel guilty and embarrassed then as well?
Should you also think you're so important that the company would collapse if you were to, God forbid, unexpectedly die? Unless there are single digit employees, that sounds like a company with a terrible structure if it could cease to function with the loss of a single employee for a few days, let alone longer.
Its okay to admit you are a prissy little girl who is super worried if all the guys might think he is less of a man. Its very manly of you to be worried about those things, since clearly your life is so cushy and easy you can stress over such pathetic metrics.
But then again, you couldn't handle getting downvoted so you had to double edit it in backpedals to try and save face. So you've proven that you are in fact just that weak.
Yeah the 2nd edit just makes it worse. If you think falling sick is a shame and embarrassment however minor, how fucking embarrassing is it to have to post 2 edits/clarifications to your posts just cause you got down votes. And edit 1 and 2 differ wildly in tone
Beta males like you and Walsh are desperate to feel like tough guys- but you're not actual tough guys so you have to find something small to puff your chest out over so you can feel like a real man for a brief moment.
While there's obvious abuse of sick days there are so many valid reasons. Even if being selfish, taking a day or 2 to heal up will get you better quicker so you can return to 100%.
When you come in sick, you get your co-workers sick and they get their families sick. You're so pathetic and desperate to feel like a bad ass that you'll injure other people and potentially ruin big events like a wedding or family vacation they spent years saving for and planning all because you're desperate to feel like a tough guy.
On top of that, it's bad for business because 1 guy being gone for a few days is better than 1 guy working at 50% for a few days and getting others sick so they're all off or at 50%.
But yes, we're all impressed by how big and bad and strong you are- much manliness so alpha
I won't be embarrassed for being sick. That's out of my control.
Best I can give you is being mildly embarrassed by a system that says I should still be paid for being sick and not working.
That's the only way that sick days are 'for kids.' That's somewhat infantilizing, I'd argue. But outside of the initial call, I've never been embarrassed about having to take the day off due to illness. And it's better in the long run, too. Your body needs to rest; a sick day will make it easier to recover and spend less overall time sick.
Edit: Getting knocked on your ass by a one-day sickness is embarrassing regardless of work situation.
A "one-day sickness" is often not a one-day sickness. I might have to take one day off, but I was probably feeling shitty and working anyway, two days before and two days after.
Yeah, I'm real fucking embarrassed having to not work the one day when I really don't feel well. So sorry, I'm a real loser.
I just don't get this mentality. Like unless you're a superman everyone gets sick. Why say its embarrassing for people to get sick and not be able to work.
He had a more nuanced take but decided to just go fuck it cause of his down votes like a retard
It's because people like him and Walsh want to feel tough but aren't tough enough to do actual tough things so they pick some little thing like sick days and try to go all Chuck Norris on it, thinking people will be impress by what a bad ass they are.
It was my personal hell, I dont know if anyone can quite ever understand it. I got this awesome new job thinking I would be fine, and my blood pressure just kept going up and up and up.
Heart pounding, head rushing, getting woozy everytime I bent over. Especially on night shift, it was terrible. I just cant even explain properly with words man. It wasnt like the pain that some people face, like my family member who almost died from a obstruction in his bowel and went septic waiting something like 12 hours for help.
But it was chronic and unrelenting, really affected me in the middle of the night which I guess is common with heart arrythmias. I lost the job and this 40 year old dyke bitch was laughing at me while I was crying in tears when I had to face the reality I couldnt do the job. I really thought the doctors were right, god I am truly a dumbass.
Anyway, after years of doing temp work I finally got a 30 hour a week job at a local courier. Doing the job of 3 people, as a team lead for no one for minimum wage. And this was a union job, lmao what a fucking useless union.
I didnt know it, but my phosphorous was creeping lower and lower. When it pretty much tanked out, I was really having a hard time keeping my thoughts straight. When they paid me like half the minimum wage for my vacation hours, I lost it and quit my job. I havent been able to work since.
Found out my parathryoid hormone is about 4x the level its supposed to be, that was two years ago. Thanks to this great canadian healthcare, they refuse to give me a 24 hour urine collection to help figure out if its kidney damage from the blood pressure, or if its bone cancer or a overactive parathyroid.
All we are is numbers to these people, they dont actually care about what someone is going through or what pain they are expereincing. Thats just depressing and cost your employers pennies on the dollar. be a good wage slave and work till you drop dead.
Good thing I didnt fully trust doctors or my dumbass would have stayed in the back of arcas shop until i dropped dead.
And im sure they would have claimed, dude was 6 3 and 280 lbs and fasted for the last 15 years, he was gonna have a heart attack anyway.
Lmao.
Employees with young children often get sick because their kids bring home every bug in school. They also stay home to take care of sick family members.
I wouldn't feel guilty for putting health and family before work because it's the right thing to do.
It's not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of strength.
Employees that come into work spreading their illness or ignoring sick family is the sign of weakness.
I took some time off because I got really bad food poisoning once. Not only did I not feel embarrassed for calling off work, I shared the details of vomiting and shitting myself uncontrollably with my coworkers when I came back.
If you feel embarrassed, humiliated, or ashamed about taking a sick day, you might want to get your soy levels checked, because that's pathetic. A 'real' tough guy doesn't give a shit.
Why? He's not wrong. They should still exist and they should still be used if necessary, but you should feel somewhat embarrassed about it and be thankful to any co-workers who went out of their way to cover for you.
Edit: Getting knocked on your ass by a one-day sickness is embarrassing regardless of work situation. It happens, but it's still an embarrassing show of weakness. If you disagree, you might want to get your blood-soy levels checked. That might be why you're sick.
Edit 2: You guys aren't getting it. I'm not saying it's some deep shame. It's a minor thing. Like if two people are going through a door in opposite directions and do the stupid little dance where neither can decide if they should go first. It happens to everyone. It's not a big deal. It's still embarrassing because you look like a retard. If you don't feel any embarrassment at all after looking weak or looking like a retard, it's because you're used to being seen that way. No one is saying you should go in and blow snot on everyone. Only that you should feel the slightest bit guilty for inconveniencing others to carry your responsibilities. But maybe I just still remember the slightest bit of a high-trust society.
I understand the sentiment but this leans way too much into the Japanese mentality of work-life balance. My sick days are a negotiated part of my contract. I feel no more hesitation in using them than I do in taking all of my paycheck home each week.
My boss at my first "real job" told me some good advice very early in my career that was entirely correct but I didn't follow as much as I should have: "it's my job to push you as hard as I can get away with, and it's your job to tell me when to stop".
Placed I've worked if you don't use sick days they're paid out as worked days.
So it's not like you're losing by coming to work with the sniffles. Taking a sick day you're really just taking a vacation day when you can't enjoy it.
I've worked plenty that were entirely "use it or lose it" with your sick days, and all your days off. Most of them early in my career at low end jobs, but that's where most people work too.
In those situations, you are literally working for free at your most miserable for an entire shift for every sick day you don't take. Double so because most of those work places won't let you "burn off" those days at the end because of things like >3 needing doctor's notes.
Then you're risking actually getting seriously ill and losing your job because you took too many 'mental health' days.
You can save a lot of money by not paying insurance, stashing away the premiums instead, and hoping for the best. Your sick days at a shitty company like that are insurance against being fired, because you're easily replaceable at any company with that policy.
If they're used as necessary, people should not feel embarrassed at all. There is no shame in being sick
I recall several occasions where co-workers, and their families by proxy, got sick because someone just couldn't bear the thought of staying home unless they were on their deathbed (in which case they would telecommute).
If you don't work every minute of your life until you die then you're not a man! And if you ever get sick or even sneeze once in your life then get out of the gene pool!
I think you're only bitter because you don't get sick days for being retarded.
That would be true if modern companies were as embarrassed acting in the silly overly legalistic manner in which they do.
Tit for Tat is the optimal strategy. If you work for honorable people act honorably. Otherwise do what you're legally entitled to do.
Fuck that, I use sick days as vacation time.
Being super self conscious and worried about appearances is far more soy than a man making a decision for himself about your own body. Nigger.
Also those coworkers will be far worse off if you show up, coughing and losing snot on everything, getting them all sick too (and then their families from there). I guess missing 1-3 shifts is so much worse than a possible half dozen or more when you are such a manly man man.
I also find it funny at the idea of a job grinding to a halt and being this big burden on others because someone takes a couple days off sick. What happens if you quit? Gonna feel guilty and embarrassed then as well?
Should you also think you're so important that the company would collapse if you were to, God forbid, unexpectedly die? Unless there are single digit employees, that sounds like a company with a terrible structure if it could cease to function with the loss of a single employee for a few days, let alone longer.
You sound triple masked.
Its okay to admit you are a prissy little girl who is super worried if all the guys might think he is less of a man. Its very manly of you to be worried about those things, since clearly your life is so cushy and easy you can stress over such pathetic metrics.
But then again, you couldn't handle getting downvoted so you had to double edit it in backpedals to try and save face. So you've proven that you are in fact just that weak.
Yeah the 2nd edit just makes it worse. If you think falling sick is a shame and embarrassment however minor, how fucking embarrassing is it to have to post 2 edits/clarifications to your posts just cause you got down votes. And edit 1 and 2 differ wildly in tone
Getting sick is embarrassing? Holy fuck, no one can match your sigma energy.
What an absolute fucking clown you are. God will humble you. I'll just have to pray that I don't enjoy it
Beta males like you and Walsh are desperate to feel like tough guys- but you're not actual tough guys so you have to find something small to puff your chest out over so you can feel like a real man for a brief moment.
While there's obvious abuse of sick days there are so many valid reasons. Even if being selfish, taking a day or 2 to heal up will get you better quicker so you can return to 100%.
When you come in sick, you get your co-workers sick and they get their families sick. You're so pathetic and desperate to feel like a bad ass that you'll injure other people and potentially ruin big events like a wedding or family vacation they spent years saving for and planning all because you're desperate to feel like a tough guy.
On top of that, it's bad for business because 1 guy being gone for a few days is better than 1 guy working at 50% for a few days and getting others sick so they're all off or at 50%.
But yes, we're all impressed by how big and bad and strong you are- much manliness so alpha
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. On par with "real men don't sunburn"
I'm afraid I must have missed the part of anatomy where testosterone is utilized as an antibiotic.
Or where every deadlift you do counteracts one ciggarate lol
I won't be embarrassed for being sick. That's out of my control.
Best I can give you is being mildly embarrassed by a system that says I should still be paid for being sick and not working.
That's the only way that sick days are 'for kids.' That's somewhat infantilizing, I'd argue. But outside of the initial call, I've never been embarrassed about having to take the day off due to illness. And it's better in the long run, too. Your body needs to rest; a sick day will make it easier to recover and spend less overall time sick.
A "one-day sickness" is often not a one-day sickness. I might have to take one day off, but I was probably feeling shitty and working anyway, two days before and two days after.
Yeah, I'm real fucking embarrassed having to not work the one day when I really don't feel well. So sorry, I'm a real loser.
I just don't get this mentality. Like unless you're a superman everyone gets sick. Why say its embarrassing for people to get sick and not be able to work.
He had a more nuanced take but decided to just go fuck it cause of his down votes like a retard
It's because people like him and Walsh want to feel tough but aren't tough enough to do actual tough things so they pick some little thing like sick days and try to go all Chuck Norris on it, thinking people will be impress by what a bad ass they are.
Man, after my work injury with the refrigerant.
It was my personal hell, I dont know if anyone can quite ever understand it. I got this awesome new job thinking I would be fine, and my blood pressure just kept going up and up and up.
Heart pounding, head rushing, getting woozy everytime I bent over. Especially on night shift, it was terrible. I just cant even explain properly with words man. It wasnt like the pain that some people face, like my family member who almost died from a obstruction in his bowel and went septic waiting something like 12 hours for help.
But it was chronic and unrelenting, really affected me in the middle of the night which I guess is common with heart arrythmias. I lost the job and this 40 year old dyke bitch was laughing at me while I was crying in tears when I had to face the reality I couldnt do the job. I really thought the doctors were right, god I am truly a dumbass.
Anyway, after years of doing temp work I finally got a 30 hour a week job at a local courier. Doing the job of 3 people, as a team lead for no one for minimum wage. And this was a union job, lmao what a fucking useless union.
I didnt know it, but my phosphorous was creeping lower and lower. When it pretty much tanked out, I was really having a hard time keeping my thoughts straight. When they paid me like half the minimum wage for my vacation hours, I lost it and quit my job. I havent been able to work since.
Found out my parathryoid hormone is about 4x the level its supposed to be, that was two years ago. Thanks to this great canadian healthcare, they refuse to give me a 24 hour urine collection to help figure out if its kidney damage from the blood pressure, or if its bone cancer or a overactive parathyroid.
All we are is numbers to these people, they dont actually care about what someone is going through or what pain they are expereincing. Thats just depressing and cost your employers pennies on the dollar. be a good wage slave and work till you drop dead.
Good thing I didnt fully trust doctors or my dumbass would have stayed in the back of arcas shop until i dropped dead.
And im sure they would have claimed, dude was 6 3 and 280 lbs and fasted for the last 15 years, he was gonna have a heart attack anyway. Lmao.
What a world we live in.
Imagine unironically needing to posture that much that you think being sick is a sign of weakness.
Posturing has to be the weakest thing a person can do, and that is pretty damn embarrassing.
Employees with young children often get sick because their kids bring home every bug in school. They also stay home to take care of sick family members.
I wouldn't feel guilty for putting health and family before work because it's the right thing to do. It's not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of strength.
Employees that come into work spreading their illness or ignoring sick family is the sign of weakness.
I took some time off because I got really bad food poisoning once. Not only did I not feel embarrassed for calling off work, I shared the details of vomiting and shitting myself uncontrollably with my coworkers when I came back.
If you feel embarrassed, humiliated, or ashamed about taking a sick day, you might want to get your soy levels checked, because that's pathetic. A 'real' tough guy doesn't give a shit.