It looks bad, no matter how one frames it. Youtubers need to do a bit more due diligence before accepting money from these orgs... who founded the company? are they real people? what's the company's history?... cause it's a matter of reputation. Leftists don't care about reputation, they'll happily take CCP money and if you point that out, they'll just accuse you of 'bigotry'... but it's not about leftists here, it's about one own's credibility.
I also have a strong suspicion that the DOJ could have stopped that charade very early, but they didn't, probably to make the contributors look worse since they are the opposition...
Unfortunately, being the victim of the feds is something that happens to other people, right up until it happens to you. That's especially true for someone like Matt, who has an unusually strong sense of fairness and justice that can blind him.
And he went from never getting a hit piece to being mentioned in a federal indictment, getting covered on national news, having bot farms run on him (possibly even from the feds), and having the FBI say they want to talk to him.
I'm not completely unconvinced that fedbois aren't emailing him telling him to kill himself. It's crazy that's even a possibility.
Leftists don't care about reputation, they'll happily take CCP money and if you point that out, they'll just accuse you of 'bigotry'... but it's not about leftists here, it's about one own's credibility.
Democrat ownership of taking the executive branch has unseen effects. Here they are seen. The FBI was carpet bombed with ideologues in the Obama era and they simply will not go after left wingers.
I know the picture is more complicated than that (some old school aren't much better, Republican uniparty doesn't care, etc) but this is a real phenomenon. So many vile deep state plots are traceable to Obama personnel.
What about demonitized Youtubers who express wrong think, the ones which can only make money from crowd sourcing (like Patreon)? Do you expect them to vet every single donation?
While people should be careful with who they're dealing with, you're putting undue responsibility on innocent people, for fear of corrupt government backlash. The problem isn't the people. The problem is corrupt government. You can't expect people to continually jump through more and more hoops, and not forsee that even the best of us will trip up eventually, all to appease corrupt lying satanic pedophiles in government.
I'm glad more people are taking this view because it's been fucking silly how butthurt others have been getting over it. They're digging in trying to cry persecution but at the end of the day the more details come out the more they're looking like greedy fucks who took the money without ever questioning it.
I believe Lauren and Liam were sincere and truthful to their knowledge with me throughout. If someone did deceive them, I do not know who this person is or what this person’s purposes are, but it is my belief that Lauren and Liam did not approach me with malicious intent to deceive me or give me false information.
At best, they're going to be using "I was an idiot and got tricked/I had absolute no knowledge they were agents" as their legal defence, which will likely work because it does seem even the people going after them are taking that view generally so they've got that going for them. It's still an incredibly bad look for them though as you're pointing out from a professional reputation perspective.
You spend like half your time complaining that you're going to have to flee your country because you think your government will lock you up for having the wrong opinions.
But then, when asked repeatedly, you say you'll believe the government that hates you and people with bad opinions, and you'll condemn even people you like that the government has already said they hate...if the government puts the accusation on the right letterhead, essentially. 'Well, it's offficiial!' You've also said it's a smear and an attack but, again, because it's official those guys are all 'greedy grifter fuck larpers.' You've also said that, even when it's official, if it's political, it's more likely to be bullshit. And yet you still say you believe the government, while also calling them corrupt.
You've lost all credibility on this. And you love to feel prosecuted; this has nothing to do with who you are...your opinion is just utter shit on this topic. I'd call out anyone spouting this, regardless of username. This has nothing to do with you.
I think Lethn has some sort of communication impairment. Tons of conversations between him and multiple other posters follow the same pattern: he posts something stupid, gets called stupid, and then says that the stupid thing he said isn’t what he meant, while also repeating that thing, while also misreading other comments. Over and over. And the more analogies someone draws, the more they try to illustrate exactly what the thing he wrote means and what it implies, the more he will insist everyone is “sperging out” and “misinterpreting.”
It’s like he’s working with a dictionary that’s subtly different from everyone else’s, and he never seems to realize that there’s a disconnect between what he means and what he’s actually saying.
Almost like he’s subtly trying to nudge the forum in a certain direction and keeps getting called out for it, so he responds by denying his sliding and accusing everyone else of doing it.
you say you'll believe the government that hates you and people with bad opinions, and you'll condemn even people you like that the government has already said they hate
I have not written that, you have and you deliberately misinterpret my posts on the topic, you guys are having an absolute sperg session over these guys which is why I'm not backing down.
Your reading comprehension for whatever reason on this particular topic Kienan is fucking awful.
You spend like half your time complaining that you're going to have to flee your country because you think your government will lock you up for having the wrong opinions.
Yes for having the wrong opinions, I don't take huge sums of money from suspicious sources that I can't verify, why the fuck are you trying to conflate two different issues? In fact three different issues because their larping is a whole other matter. I can condemn them for being retards and taking money from suspicious sources but also condemn the DOJ for politically motivated prosecutions, there is no contradiction there.
I have not written that, you have and you deliberately misinterpret my posts on the topic, you guys are having an absolute sperg session...Your reading comprehension...is fucking awful.
You have said that, and you stood by it. Also, you keep accusing me and other s of "misinterpreting" you when we're just repeating back what you're saying.
Yes for having the wrong opinions, I don't take huge sums of money from suspicious sources that I can't verify, why the fuck are you trying to conflate two different issues?
Because, and I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this...they're not two different issues?!
So you can't trust the government not to lock you up because they dislike you...but you can trust the government to lock you up if they dislike you...and say you took money you shouldn't have. Okay, smart. Great. If they give a good enough reason to lock up the people who oppose them, it's all on the up and up. You'll cry "misinterpretation" again, but that's what you're saying. And you've said you'll believe government accusations, even if they're also reputational smears, if it's official.
And, again, this is all about an investor of a "boss" of a company you license some of your product to, and it's not "huge sums of money," it's pretty standard.
You're sperging again, stop it
Again...bruh.
You keep telling me that. I've never said that to you, even when you clearly are. Chill.
If you've ever got downvotes you think are unfair because you're speaking the truth, it's instructive to look at Lethn's posts. Calling someone who's earned a lot of goodwill a "greedy fuck" while being a British neckbeard whose chubby accent is almost audible through the screen is not a good combination.
The issue, as I see it anyway and have watched it play out for decades now - is that there is no obligation to behave in a manner that the other side isn't.
The situation is such that both sides have agreed to a 'boxing' match. The fight starts and they kick you in the nuts, and their cornerman throws a brick at you, and while ducking you hit the opponent low.. so the ref stops the fight so "they" can tell you that you're breaking "their" rules. When clear, obviously and demonstrably they stopped following the rules at the outset.
Fuck their rules, fuck them. Stop playing by their rules, and stop thinking that by playing by their rules you're going to get whatever it is you think the benefit is..
Your nation is in a fight, being kicked, stabbed, shot at, and you're screaming for your Nation to only fight Marquess of Queensberry rules.
ei:
Q from them: OMG can you believe that Russia funded x/y/z...
Answering Q with Q: Were they offsetting some other nation funding our media? Or are they adding to it? Did you see that list of other country's funding our media outlets?
You and others completely misunderstand what the issue here is, it's not that they're taking this money in the first place though that is questionable in of itself. The biggest problem is that they're insisting on doing a larp for the sake of grifting and pretending to be on side when they're just shilling for whatever gets them the paycheck.
I'm not playing by their rules in the slightest I think that youtubers who try to deceive their core audience by doing an edgy rebellion larp while taking that much money from a government agent can fuck off but they also clearly make extra income pilfering their audience under false pretences.
The biggest joke I think it is highly likely that any one of these youtubers will be back and carrying on with the grift as if they need they desperately need the money. I'm actually quite surprised that Paul Joseph Watson wasn't somehow involved in this because he pulls that shit constantly and it's one of the things I found irksome about his particular grift with how he uploaded his 'content'.
These people are not friends in any capacity, they're there to tell you what you want to hear in exchange for money and they will hop to whatever side will guarantee them the most income. Now I'm having a much better idea of who's downvoting me constantly by the people who are defending this and getting angsty, makes a nice change from the ConPro bots.
Again, these are not small youtubers who are being bullied, these are people who will have six figures in their bank accounts net positive at an absolute minimum which is why I'm going so hard and not backing down.
You are playing by their rules, because you're accepting the playing field, you're accepting their argument. Whether it is about money - they've done it first. Or it is about reputation - they did it first. Or anything else you can think up - they've done it first - and you're not catching on to it, instead you're playing their game by reacting, defensively when there is nothing to be defensive about.
Finger-wagging one side, while ignoring the other is a really bad look. And also playing by their rules.
Also as an aside: 1st paragraph, it isn't about money.
3rd paragraph - they'll be back for the money. Wha?
I agree they aren't friends, but who said they were?
They are talking heads, like the rest of them.
Getting money, like the rest of them.
Likely reading a script, like the rest of them...
Catching on yet?
Finally, didn't dv you I actually brought you back to 0. You're welcome.
It looks bad, no matter how one frames it. Youtubers need to do a bit more due diligence before accepting money from these orgs... who founded the company? are they real people? what's the company's history?... cause it's a matter of reputation. Leftists don't care about reputation, they'll happily take CCP money and if you point that out, they'll just accuse you of 'bigotry'... but it's not about leftists here, it's about one own's credibility.
I also have a strong suspicion that the DOJ could have stopped that charade very early, but they didn't, probably to make the contributors look worse since they are the opposition...
A lot of the talking heads on youtube/etc are grifters, and that holds true for the right as well.
They're in it for the money, not for things like principles or standards.
Unfortunately, being the victim of the feds is something that happens to other people, right up until it happens to you. That's especially true for someone like Matt, who has an unusually strong sense of fairness and justice that can blind him.
And he went from never getting a hit piece to being mentioned in a federal indictment, getting covered on national news, having bot farms run on him (possibly even from the feds), and having the FBI say they want to talk to him.
I'm not completely unconvinced that fedbois aren't emailing him telling him to kill himself. It's crazy that's even a possibility.
Democrat ownership of taking the executive branch has unseen effects. Here they are seen. The FBI was carpet bombed with ideologues in the Obama era and they simply will not go after left wingers.
I know the picture is more complicated than that (some old school aren't much better, Republican uniparty doesn't care, etc) but this is a real phenomenon. So many vile deep state plots are traceable to Obama personnel.
I mean, what are the chances... right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KohtsEmWY2w
Oh shit, I didn't know his work extended beyond funny Magic the Gathering parody covers.
What about demonitized Youtubers who express wrong think, the ones which can only make money from crowd sourcing (like Patreon)? Do you expect them to vet every single donation?
While people should be careful with who they're dealing with, you're putting undue responsibility on innocent people, for fear of corrupt government backlash. The problem isn't the people. The problem is corrupt government. You can't expect people to continually jump through more and more hoops, and not forsee that even the best of us will trip up eventually, all to appease corrupt lying satanic pedophiles in government.
I'm glad more people are taking this view because it's been fucking silly how butthurt others have been getting over it. They're digging in trying to cry persecution but at the end of the day the more details come out the more they're looking like greedy fucks who took the money without ever questioning it.
At best, they're going to be using "I was an idiot and got tricked/I had absolute no knowledge they were agents" as their legal defence, which will likely work because it does seem even the people going after them are taking that view generally so they've got that going for them. It's still an incredibly bad look for them though as you're pointing out from a professional reputation perspective.
ib4 mass downvotes.
Bruh.
You spend like half your time complaining that you're going to have to flee your country because you think your government will lock you up for having the wrong opinions.
But then, when asked repeatedly, you say you'll believe the government that hates you and people with bad opinions, and you'll condemn even people you like that the government has already said they hate...if the government puts the accusation on the right letterhead, essentially. 'Well, it's offficiial!' You've also said it's a smear and an attack but, again, because it's official those guys are all 'greedy grifter fuck larpers.' You've also said that, even when it's official, if it's political, it's more likely to be bullshit. And yet you still say you believe the government, while also calling them corrupt.
You've lost all credibility on this. And you love to feel prosecuted; this has nothing to do with who you are...your opinion is just utter shit on this topic. I'd call out anyone spouting this, regardless of username. This has nothing to do with you.
I think Lethn has some sort of communication impairment. Tons of conversations between him and multiple other posters follow the same pattern: he posts something stupid, gets called stupid, and then says that the stupid thing he said isn’t what he meant, while also repeating that thing, while also misreading other comments. Over and over. And the more analogies someone draws, the more they try to illustrate exactly what the thing he wrote means and what it implies, the more he will insist everyone is “sperging out” and “misinterpreting.”
It’s like he’s working with a dictionary that’s subtly different from everyone else’s, and he never seems to realize that there’s a disconnect between what he means and what he’s actually saying.
Almost like he’s subtly trying to nudge the forum in a certain direction and keeps getting called out for it, so he responds by denying his sliding and accusing everyone else of doing it.
you make him sound autistic, lol
Nailed it. And he's Libertarian so I just assume brain damage.
I have not written that, you have and you deliberately misinterpret my posts on the topic, you guys are having an absolute sperg session over these guys which is why I'm not backing down.
Your reading comprehension for whatever reason on this particular topic Kienan is fucking awful.
Yes for having the wrong opinions, I don't take huge sums of money from suspicious sources that I can't verify, why the fuck are you trying to conflate two different issues? In fact three different issues because their larping is a whole other matter. I can condemn them for being retards and taking money from suspicious sources but also condemn the DOJ for politically motivated prosecutions, there is no contradiction there.
You're sperging again, stop it
You have said that, and you stood by it. Also, you keep accusing me and other s of "misinterpreting" you when we're just repeating back what you're saying.
Because, and I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this...they're not two different issues?!
So you can't trust the government not to lock you up because they dislike you...but you can trust the government to lock you up if they dislike you...and say you took money you shouldn't have. Okay, smart. Great. If they give a good enough reason to lock up the people who oppose them, it's all on the up and up. You'll cry "misinterpretation" again, but that's what you're saying. And you've said you'll believe government accusations, even if they're also reputational smears, if it's official.
And, again, this is all about an investor of a "boss" of a company you license some of your product to, and it's not "huge sums of money," it's pretty standard.
Again...bruh.
You keep telling me that. I've never said that to you, even when you clearly are. Chill.
$144,000.00
That's what we're talking about here. That is the annual salary Matt Christiansen contracted for.
If you've ever got downvotes you think are unfair because you're speaking the truth, it's instructive to look at Lethn's posts. Calling someone who's earned a lot of goodwill a "greedy fuck" while being a British neckbeard whose chubby accent is almost audible through the screen is not a good combination.
The issue, as I see it anyway and have watched it play out for decades now - is that there is no obligation to behave in a manner that the other side isn't.
The situation is such that both sides have agreed to a 'boxing' match. The fight starts and they kick you in the nuts, and their cornerman throws a brick at you, and while ducking you hit the opponent low.. so the ref stops the fight so "they" can tell you that you're breaking "their" rules. When clear, obviously and demonstrably they stopped following the rules at the outset.
Fuck their rules, fuck them. Stop playing by their rules, and stop thinking that by playing by their rules you're going to get whatever it is you think the benefit is..
Your nation is in a fight, being kicked, stabbed, shot at, and you're screaming for your Nation to only fight Marquess of Queensberry rules.
ei: Q from them: OMG can you believe that Russia funded x/y/z...
Answering Q with Q: Were they offsetting some other nation funding our media? Or are they adding to it? Did you see that list of other country's funding our media outlets?
You and others completely misunderstand what the issue here is, it's not that they're taking this money in the first place though that is questionable in of itself. The biggest problem is that they're insisting on doing a larp for the sake of grifting and pretending to be on side when they're just shilling for whatever gets them the paycheck.
I'm not playing by their rules in the slightest I think that youtubers who try to deceive their core audience by doing an edgy rebellion larp while taking that much money from a government agent can fuck off but they also clearly make extra income pilfering their audience under false pretences.
The biggest joke I think it is highly likely that any one of these youtubers will be back and carrying on with the grift as if they need they desperately need the money. I'm actually quite surprised that Paul Joseph Watson wasn't somehow involved in this because he pulls that shit constantly and it's one of the things I found irksome about his particular grift with how he uploaded his 'content'.
These people are not friends in any capacity, they're there to tell you what you want to hear in exchange for money and they will hop to whatever side will guarantee them the most income. Now I'm having a much better idea of who's downvoting me constantly by the people who are defending this and getting angsty, makes a nice change from the ConPro bots.
Again, these are not small youtubers who are being bullied, these are people who will have six figures in their bank accounts net positive at an absolute minimum which is why I'm going so hard and not backing down.
Respectfully, Physician, heal thy self!!!
Reread what I wrote, and understand you're doing.
You are playing by their rules, because you're accepting the playing field, you're accepting their argument. Whether it is about money - they've done it first. Or it is about reputation - they did it first. Or anything else you can think up - they've done it first - and you're not catching on to it, instead you're playing their game by reacting, defensively when there is nothing to be defensive about.
Finger-wagging one side, while ignoring the other is a really bad look. And also playing by their rules.
Also as an aside: 1st paragraph, it isn't about money. 3rd paragraph - they'll be back for the money. Wha?
I agree they aren't friends, but who said they were?
They are talking heads, like the rest of them.
Getting money, like the rest of them.
Likely reading a script, like the rest of them...
Catching on yet?
Finally, didn't dv you I actually brought you back to 0. You're welcome.
I don't downvote, I don't fear words.
You're being down voted because your take is stupid in addition to being wrong. Shut your face you worthless limey.