You have to love their never-ending love and respect for the source material. Evil cannot create, only corrupt.
Orcs are evil bastardizations, who are a plague when left on their own, and even worse when serving a master. They're violent thugs, with no redeeming qualities. The only time any sympathy should be given to them, is at the very point of their creation/corruption/twisting. That's the only point at which they could be considered anything close to innocent. After that, they're murder machines and dangerous pests.
Tolkien himself waffled about the exact origin of the orcs to his dying day. He has several letters and revisions of different books going back and forth. Basically he did not like the idea of there being an irredeemable living being because it conflicted with his Christianity. The only truly irredeemable beings are supposed to be Melkor and Sauron plus the various Maia that followed them as they represent Satan and his demons. But at the same time, he was adamant about the flight between good and evil being just that, good vs evil. Not mostly whitish grey vs mostly blackish grey. There are clear Good Guys and Bad Guys. The Good Guys being of course elves, humans, and dwarves, and the bad guys being orcs, goblins (he also waffled about whether orcs and goblins we're different creatures or different names for the same thing), fallen Maia like Balrogs, giant spiders, dragons, etc. Shades of grey in morality was represented by the strife between the various good races or between themselves; some men following Morgoth, the kinslaying of the Noldor, the treachery over the Nauglamir, etc. And he made a point that the true source of all of these things, no matter how many steps it took along the way, could be traced back to some deceit or trick by Morgoth (ie the lies of Satan and the temptation to sin). Orcs were not included in that as they were supposed to be nameless mobs of generic villain footsoldiers the Good Guys could fight as Tolkien's representation of the battle between good and evil was actual fighting in battle, not the spiritual battle his Christian belief teaches.
So, interestingly, I don't think it was ever stated where Ungoliant came from, and all the giant spiders were supposed to be descended from her. She's powerful enough that Morgoth fears her, something which I think can only be said of her, maybe two of the Valar (Tulkas and Manwe, I think), and Eru*. I'm not sure there's an explanation for her origins that's completely consistent, but I think it's most likely that she's a creation of Melkor's part in the music that gained power by eating other powerful things, and not a fallen Maia.
dragons
I'm pretty sure these were twisted beasts (or twisted copies of beasts) in Tolkien's legendarium, but I don't think (as you mentioned) he ever fully nailed everything down, so I could be mistaken on this point.
*There are several tales in Tolkien's legendarium where an exceptional person punches above their weight, and I might be forgetting a case where a Maia, Elf, Dwarf, or Man managed to make Morgoth afraid, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this particular point.
My use of comas wasn't clear. It is intended to mean, fallen maia, as well as giant spiders as well as dragons,etc
I believe off the top of my head the only time Melkor was afraid of a non Ainur being such as a man, elf, etc was his fight with Fingolfin. But I'm not 100% confident in my recollection.
I couldn't remember if that fight was vs Melkor/Morgoth or one of the ancient dragons. But I was pretty sure there was a point where one of the descendants of Feanor made Morgoth deeply regret his decisions with the Silmarils.
You have to love their never-ending love and respect for the source material. Evil cannot create, only corrupt.
Orcs are evil bastardizations, who are a plague when left on their own, and even worse when serving a master. They're violent thugs, with no redeeming qualities. The only time any sympathy should be given to them, is at the very point of their creation/corruption/twisting. That's the only point at which they could be considered anything close to innocent. After that, they're murder machines and dangerous pests.
The weird thing is to these ppl orcs deserve sympathy but nationalists somehow don't
That's how fucked up their thinking is
Satan loves perversion and corruption
Calling it thinking? That's amusing.
Also, if they happen to be using “orcs” as slang for “Russians,” it’s appropriate to laugh at videos of their deaths.
Tolkien himself waffled about the exact origin of the orcs to his dying day. He has several letters and revisions of different books going back and forth. Basically he did not like the idea of there being an irredeemable living being because it conflicted with his Christianity. The only truly irredeemable beings are supposed to be Melkor and Sauron plus the various Maia that followed them as they represent Satan and his demons. But at the same time, he was adamant about the flight between good and evil being just that, good vs evil. Not mostly whitish grey vs mostly blackish grey. There are clear Good Guys and Bad Guys. The Good Guys being of course elves, humans, and dwarves, and the bad guys being orcs, goblins (he also waffled about whether orcs and goblins we're different creatures or different names for the same thing), fallen Maia like Balrogs, giant spiders, dragons, etc. Shades of grey in morality was represented by the strife between the various good races or between themselves; some men following Morgoth, the kinslaying of the Noldor, the treachery over the Nauglamir, etc. And he made a point that the true source of all of these things, no matter how many steps it took along the way, could be traced back to some deceit or trick by Morgoth (ie the lies of Satan and the temptation to sin). Orcs were not included in that as they were supposed to be nameless mobs of generic villain footsoldiers the Good Guys could fight as Tolkien's representation of the battle between good and evil was actual fighting in battle, not the spiritual battle his Christian belief teaches.
So, interestingly, I don't think it was ever stated where Ungoliant came from, and all the giant spiders were supposed to be descended from her. She's powerful enough that Morgoth fears her, something which I think can only be said of her, maybe two of the Valar (Tulkas and Manwe, I think), and Eru*. I'm not sure there's an explanation for her origins that's completely consistent, but I think it's most likely that she's a creation of Melkor's part in the music that gained power by eating other powerful things, and not a fallen Maia.
I'm pretty sure these were twisted beasts (or twisted copies of beasts) in Tolkien's legendarium, but I don't think (as you mentioned) he ever fully nailed everything down, so I could be mistaken on this point.
*There are several tales in Tolkien's legendarium where an exceptional person punches above their weight, and I might be forgetting a case where a Maia, Elf, Dwarf, or Man managed to make Morgoth afraid, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this particular point.
My use of comas wasn't clear. It is intended to mean, fallen maia, as well as giant spiders as well as dragons,etc
I believe off the top of my head the only time Melkor was afraid of a non Ainur being such as a man, elf, etc was his fight with Fingolfin. But I'm not 100% confident in my recollection.
I couldn't remember if that fight was vs Melkor/Morgoth or one of the ancient dragons. But I was pretty sure there was a point where one of the descendants of Feanor made Morgoth deeply regret his decisions with the Silmarils.
Nerrrrrd.....but thank you, that was very well written.
The Israel/Palestine thing backfired because half the DNC is financed by Muslims.
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Schizo-posting that non-whites and non-straights are violent thugs, murder machines, dangerous pests, and pedophiles.
Where's the lie?
Truth is a violation of rule 16 comrade.
And some, I assume, are good people
So like Democrat voters manipulated into violence during BLM?