No, when you speak out against the AIPAC they cry like the little piss-babies they are and defame you. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Massie's wife died by anything besides natural causes?
Why, on God's green Earth, am I simply supposed to close my eyes and just assume the only reason people ever die on this planet is because of international jewry?
His issues with AIPAC have gone on for months. He never stopped their funding, can't stop their funding, and isn't even considering running in the Senate to interfere in their funding. You don't have a motive to ascribe to them beyond: "but joos". You don't even have evidence of foul play. You have literally nothing to go on here except your own bias.
No, when you speak out against the AIPAC they cry like the little piss-babies they are and defame you.
We all see through you, it's not clever.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Massie's wife died by anything besides natural causes?
Evidence? No, and I've said as much. Suspicions, that I believe are well founded? Yes. Heck, people were talking about how something like this was going to happen. It would be a massive coincidence if this was natural. It's possible, but not the most likely outcome.
When Massie spoke out against AIPAC's influence, people were saying he needed to protect himself and his family, they were saying he or his people would die.
And you know all this. And you're not arguing in good faith. You're just running defense, and it's all so boring.
Why, on God's green Earth, am I simply supposed to close my eyes and just assume the only reason people ever die on this planet is because of international jewry?
I never mentioned ze Jews, and you're being so disingenuous. Some others here have mentioned the Jews, I said AIPAC. Some combination of Israel/AIPAC (big difference) probably did it. Not "the Jews" as a whole.
You always pretend to be so obtuse whenever anything like this comes up. Again, boring.
His issues with AIPAC have gone on for months. He never stopped their funding, can't stop their funding, and isn't even considering running in the Senate to interfere in their funding.
How he was speaking, and what he was saying three weeks ago was a big departure from SOP, and you know it. Also, he said that even though he wasn't running for Senate, they were still worried, and wanted to stop even the possibility. Again...you know all this, and are just pretending to be dumb.
You don't have a motive to ascribe to them beyond: "but joos".
Again, I never said that.
It's also blatantly untrue. There's plenty of motives. Which, again, doesn't even mean it's not possible that there was no foul play. Stop Massie but, most importantly, send a message. It's not rocket science. "Go too far off the reservation, we murder your fucking family." It's a solid tactic.
Again, not saying it happened for sure. But are you really going to pretend Israel/AIPAC don't get a benefit from his wife dying suddenly? That's a big motive.
You don't even have evidence of foul play.
Which is why I'm not speaking definitively, and just voices my suspicions. You keep intentionally misconstruing my positions.
You have literally nothing to go on here except your own bias.
What bias? "Jooooos?" Again, again, again, I never argued that.
You don't "see through me", you don't see me, or acknowledge me at all, no matter how many time I tell you what I am and what my opinions are. You don't care, because you have a narrative to fulfill.
"They did it again" is absolutely, unequivocally, definitive. You have concluded, without evidence, as you admit, to this being an assassination.
Since you've argued against it, then let's say your only issue is AIPAC themselves, as an institution, perchance even as a front for Mossad, just for giggles (because lobbyist organizations aren't known for assassinating people on their lonesome).
You're saying that AIPAC is so scared that a single congressman from Kentucky will upend their entire influence racket (despite the fact that they have in-roads with the whole of congress, senate, and both presidential candidates), that they are going to murder his wife. Not him, that would be obviously crazy. No no, they are going to murder his wife. They are also not going to make any sort of assassinations with regard to any of the Pro-Palestine movements in the US that are actively funding Hamas. I'll bet you that Ilhan Omar doesn't have an AIPAC person.
That's lunacy. Massie is, himself, not relevant enough or powerful enough to assassinate (nor is murdering his wife necessary). He has done nothing to impact AIPAC funding, he will continue to do nothing to stop AIPAC funding, and he is simply going to be one of the random libertarian-ish figures that occasionally sticks in their craw.
There are major forces looking to defund AIPAC, and all of them are Pro-Palestinian Progressive candidates. None of them have been harmed. It is silly to jump to the conclusion that it had to be an assassination.
Let's try this: If Massie explains the death of his wife as having been from natural circumstances, and his AIPAC position does not change; will you admit you are wrong?
Is there any way you would recognize your claim to be false?
...you don't see me, or acknowledge me at all, no matter how many time I tell you what I am and what my opinions are.
Cringe!
You don't care, because you have a narrative to fulfill.
What's the narrative? Go ahead, tell me what my narrative is. National Socialism, right? Total Jew death, right? None of which I've ever called for or hinted at, yet you keep smearing a bunch of us with that nonsense.
Since you've argued against it, then let's say your only issue is AIPAC themselves, as an institution...
What would my other issue be? Go ahead. I'm getting tired of your nonsense, man.
...perchance even as a front for Mossad, just for giggles (because lobbyist organizations aren't known for assassinating people on their lonesome).
Uhm, "lobbyists" are often just literal mobsters, in the right circumstance. Are you saying politically connected agents have never killed anyone? Dem-connected groups have killed people. Republican-connected groups have killed people. Lobbyist organizations have killed people. Unions have killed people. It's all corrupt. Yeah, lobbyist-connected people would absolutely kill to further political ends.
You're saying that AIPAC is so scared that a single congressman from Kentucky will upend their entire influence racket (despite the fact that they have in-roads with the whole of congress, senate, and both presidential candidates), that they are going to murder his wife.
Where did I say they were scared? Seriously, where? I said they could potentially be sending a message. Which is "don't fuck with us." Which, even given your framework, would be required. They have to keep that position. They have to keep that near 100% success rate. They have to be able to say "see, being pro-Israel is good business." It's their whole racket. So, yes, in that case, if Massie slipped through the cracks, or if they hadn't taken out that retard Bowman, or anyone else they campaigned against, those people are threats. Not necessarily on their own, but it snowballs. Massie doesn't singlehandedly destroy AIPAC's influence, but it does hurt them.
Not him, that would be obviously crazy. No no, they are going to murder his wife.
Yeah. Nowhere in history has anyone ever killed an enemy's family. That's retarded, you're right. Why do that, when you can kill the man himself? Yeah! You're so smart. Never happens.
You're reaching, bigly.
I'll bet you that Ilhan Omar doesn't have an AIPAC person.
And she and "the Squad" are literally on the AIPAC (political) hitlist. They're actively campaigning against those people. So I don't get your point.
"First, @JamaalBowmanNY. Now, @CoriBush." - AIPAC retweeted that the day Massie's wife died. And, no, I'm not saying they're connected, just pointing out it's recent. They literally have hitlists on the Squad.
That's lunacy. Massie is, himself, not relevant enough or powerful enough to assassinate (nor is murdering his wife necessary).
He's one of less than five hundred people in Congress. That's incredibly relevant. He's around a quarter of a percent, on his own. And he gets to speak to the others, and the press. And you only need 218 to pass something.
Also, who said anything about necessary? No action is every strictly necessary. But it might be expedient, or otherwise a good way toward progressing your goals.
He has done nothing to impact AIPAC funding...
But he hurt their record. They've been trying to get rid of him, but keep failing. It hurts their record and their image. You kill someone before they can hurt you, if you're playing that game. Again, this really isn't rocket science.
There are major forces looking to defund AIPAC, and all of them are Pro-Palestinian Progressive candidates.
Oh, please get a new schtick, man.
Let's try this: If Massie explains the death of his wife as having been from natural circumstances, and his AIPAC position does not change; will you admit you are wrong?
Wrong about what? That I thought it was a potential assassination? Nope. At the moment I do think that.
Is there any way you would recognize your claim to be false?
You'll notice I'm not going to do the massive quote-thing because it breaks up conversations, and typically removes context from the very thing that gets quoted. It gets even worse, when those quotes get broken into even more quotes in the responses, and then you quote responses of quotes which lose track of the entire conversation.
Political hit-lists, are not real hit-lists. That is why The Squad, and their family members are not assassinated. The Pro-Palestinian Progressives are not a schtick, they are the primary anti-Israel force in the US and have been for some time. AIPAC doesn't have a 100% success rate, they didn't before, and they don't now, and I've seen nothing to suggest they killed anyone's family.
Your original claim was that AIPAC assassinated Massie's wife. You stated it unequivocally. It does seem like you are now backing off that claim by denying you made it.
They tried to primary him and failed spectacularly, which sent the message that contrary to how it seems, AIPAC isn't invincible. So there's a motive in terms of saving face. Plus he spilled the beans about congressmen having "AIPAC buddies" to dogwalk them.
It's not all that different from, say, the cartels, IMO. Maintaining the appearance of invincibility is crucial to how they work, and undermining that invites an extreme response so that nobody else gets any ideas.
Of course this is all speculative, it's just one helluva coincidence if she just happened to die of natural causes right now.
"Saving Face" doesn't make sense to me. You think AIPAC has never lost an election before? That would be nonsense considering how many they are in.
It's not about one election, it's about a moment in time when Zionism is facing an unprecedented level of popular backlash from the right, the left, and even American Jews themselves. The Overton Window on Zionism has been shattered, and their attempt to primary the lone Republican in Congress who stands up to Zionism while giving zero fucks failed spectacularly.
Tbf, Massie is way worse for them than, say, Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, because these women are leftist Muslims, so of course they're gonna be anti-Zionist. Neither does AOC, because she's already positioned herself as far-left. But for a simple small-government milquetoast libertarian type to be standing against Zionism, at a time when big, mainstream conservative pundits like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are also pushing back, and the Daily Wire has taken a huge hit over this issue, is definitely reason for Zionists to be nervous.
Zionism has boomers, especially boomercons, as their demographic base in the US, so they're already on a sinking ship. Thomas Massie is exactly the kind of straight-shooting common sense politicians that normies, and especially conservatives, love, and he's attacking the issue from a normal conservative perspective, not a far-left or even far-right perspective, which makes him difficult to ignore.
"AIPAC Buddies", yeah: it's an open fact. Literally everyone in DC knows it.
Let's zero in on that last line:
Literally everyone in DC knows it.
Yes, everyone in DC. You forget that most people aren't plugged into politics like DC insiders are, or even like we are. This is genuinely shocking to normies, and it's, again, coming from a congressman who doesn't come across as extreme, he's just an oldschool small government conservative. So again, where if it was being said by Omar or whomever it could be dismissed out of hand as some unhinged "conspiracy theory," but it can't be dismissed out of hand like that when it's coming from someone like Massie.
Tbf, Massie is way worse for them than, say, Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, because these women are leftist Muslims, so of course they're gonna be anti-Zionist.
Dead wrong. Massie has zero institutional power. He has zero institutional influence. He presents no threat. As you noted, Tucker Carlson has more influence. Candace Owens has more influence. Both of them, and their families are alive and well. Massie simply doesn't matter enough to warrant a motive.
This is genuinely shocking to normies,
Yes, surely the normies will rise up. This never works. 60% of America believes that there was voter fraud or irregularity in the 2020 election, and 80% think Jeffery Epstein was assassinated. Congratulations, sometimes the truth doesn't change anything. Particularly if the truth is an open secret.
HEY GUYS! I HEARD STUDIO 54 HAS HOMOSEXUALS IN IT!
GUYS?
it could be dismissed out of hand as some unhinged "conspiracy theory,
Except all of her donors, all of her constituents, and all of the foreign funding and organization she receives. Hence the problem. Massie is nothing compared to Omar.
Stormfags gonna stormfag. They're forum sliding tourists here to destroy any chances the right has of actually getting anything done by giving the left and "moderates" (useful idiots) ammo to cry about the right being super mean.
They just need to come out of the closet as communists and be done with it.
No, when you speak out against the AIPAC they cry like the little piss-babies they are and defame you. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Massie's wife died by anything besides natural causes?
Why, on God's green Earth, am I simply supposed to close my eyes and just assume the only reason people ever die on this planet is because of international jewry?
His issues with AIPAC have gone on for months. He never stopped their funding, can't stop their funding, and isn't even considering running in the Senate to interfere in their funding. You don't have a motive to ascribe to them beyond: "but joos". You don't even have evidence of foul play. You have literally nothing to go on here except your own bias.
Stop for a second and think.
We all see through you, it's not clever.
Evidence? No, and I've said as much. Suspicions, that I believe are well founded? Yes. Heck, people were talking about how something like this was going to happen. It would be a massive coincidence if this was natural. It's possible, but not the most likely outcome.
When Massie spoke out against AIPAC's influence, people were saying he needed to protect himself and his family, they were saying he or his people would die.
And you know all this. And you're not arguing in good faith. You're just running defense, and it's all so boring.
I never mentioned ze Jews, and you're being so disingenuous. Some others here have mentioned the Jews, I said AIPAC. Some combination of Israel/AIPAC (big difference) probably did it. Not "the Jews" as a whole.
You always pretend to be so obtuse whenever anything like this comes up. Again, boring.
How he was speaking, and what he was saying three weeks ago was a big departure from SOP, and you know it. Also, he said that even though he wasn't running for Senate, they were still worried, and wanted to stop even the possibility. Again...you know all this, and are just pretending to be dumb.
Again, I never said that.
It's also blatantly untrue. There's plenty of motives. Which, again, doesn't even mean it's not possible that there was no foul play. Stop Massie but, most importantly, send a message. It's not rocket science. "Go too far off the reservation, we murder your fucking family." It's a solid tactic.
Again, not saying it happened for sure. But are you really going to pretend Israel/AIPAC don't get a benefit from his wife dying suddenly? That's a big motive.
Which is why I'm not speaking definitively, and just voices my suspicions. You keep intentionally misconstruing my positions.
What bias? "Jooooos?" Again, again, again, I never argued that.
You don't "see through me", you don't see me, or acknowledge me at all, no matter how many time I tell you what I am and what my opinions are. You don't care, because you have a narrative to fulfill.
"They did it again" is absolutely, unequivocally, definitive. You have concluded, without evidence, as you admit, to this being an assassination.
Since you've argued against it, then let's say your only issue is AIPAC themselves, as an institution, perchance even as a front for Mossad, just for giggles (because lobbyist organizations aren't known for assassinating people on their lonesome).
You're saying that AIPAC is so scared that a single congressman from Kentucky will upend their entire influence racket (despite the fact that they have in-roads with the whole of congress, senate, and both presidential candidates), that they are going to murder his wife. Not him, that would be obviously crazy. No no, they are going to murder his wife. They are also not going to make any sort of assassinations with regard to any of the Pro-Palestine movements in the US that are actively funding Hamas. I'll bet you that Ilhan Omar doesn't have an AIPAC person.
That's lunacy. Massie is, himself, not relevant enough or powerful enough to assassinate (nor is murdering his wife necessary). He has done nothing to impact AIPAC funding, he will continue to do nothing to stop AIPAC funding, and he is simply going to be one of the random libertarian-ish figures that occasionally sticks in their craw.
There are major forces looking to defund AIPAC, and all of them are Pro-Palestinian Progressive candidates. None of them have been harmed. It is silly to jump to the conclusion that it had to be an assassination.
Let's try this: If Massie explains the death of his wife as having been from natural circumstances, and his AIPAC position does not change; will you admit you are wrong?
Is there any way you would recognize your claim to be false?
Cringe!
What's the narrative? Go ahead, tell me what my narrative is. National Socialism, right? Total Jew death, right? None of which I've ever called for or hinted at, yet you keep smearing a bunch of us with that nonsense.
What would my other issue be? Go ahead. I'm getting tired of your nonsense, man.
Uhm, "lobbyists" are often just literal mobsters, in the right circumstance. Are you saying politically connected agents have never killed anyone? Dem-connected groups have killed people. Republican-connected groups have killed people. Lobbyist organizations have killed people. Unions have killed people. It's all corrupt. Yeah, lobbyist-connected people would absolutely kill to further political ends.
Where did I say they were scared? Seriously, where? I said they could potentially be sending a message. Which is "don't fuck with us." Which, even given your framework, would be required. They have to keep that position. They have to keep that near 100% success rate. They have to be able to say "see, being pro-Israel is good business." It's their whole racket. So, yes, in that case, if Massie slipped through the cracks, or if they hadn't taken out that retard Bowman, or anyone else they campaigned against, those people are threats. Not necessarily on their own, but it snowballs. Massie doesn't singlehandedly destroy AIPAC's influence, but it does hurt them.
Yeah. Nowhere in history has anyone ever killed an enemy's family. That's retarded, you're right. Why do that, when you can kill the man himself? Yeah! You're so smart. Never happens.
You're reaching, bigly.
And she and "the Squad" are literally on the AIPAC (political) hitlist. They're actively campaigning against those people. So I don't get your point.
"First, @JamaalBowmanNY. Now, @CoriBush." - AIPAC retweeted that the day Massie's wife died. And, no, I'm not saying they're connected, just pointing out it's recent. They literally have hitlists on the Squad.
He's one of less than five hundred people in Congress. That's incredibly relevant. He's around a quarter of a percent, on his own. And he gets to speak to the others, and the press. And you only need 218 to pass something.
Also, who said anything about necessary? No action is every strictly necessary. But it might be expedient, or otherwise a good way toward progressing your goals.
But he hurt their record. They've been trying to get rid of him, but keep failing. It hurts their record and their image. You kill someone before they can hurt you, if you're playing that game. Again, this really isn't rocket science.
Oh, please get a new schtick, man.
Wrong about what? That I thought it was a potential assassination? Nope. At the moment I do think that.
What. Claim.
You're being ridiculous.
You'll notice I'm not going to do the massive quote-thing because it breaks up conversations, and typically removes context from the very thing that gets quoted. It gets even worse, when those quotes get broken into even more quotes in the responses, and then you quote responses of quotes which lose track of the entire conversation.
Political hit-lists, are not real hit-lists. That is why The Squad, and their family members are not assassinated. The Pro-Palestinian Progressives are not a schtick, they are the primary anti-Israel force in the US and have been for some time. AIPAC doesn't have a 100% success rate, they didn't before, and they don't now, and I've seen nothing to suggest they killed anyone's family.
Your original claim was that AIPAC assassinated Massie's wife. You stated it unequivocally. It does seem like you are now backing off that claim by denying you made it.
They tried to primary him and failed spectacularly, which sent the message that contrary to how it seems, AIPAC isn't invincible. So there's a motive in terms of saving face. Plus he spilled the beans about congressmen having "AIPAC buddies" to dogwalk them.
It's not all that different from, say, the cartels, IMO. Maintaining the appearance of invincibility is crucial to how they work, and undermining that invites an extreme response so that nobody else gets any ideas.
Of course this is all speculative, it's just one helluva coincidence if she just happened to die of natural causes right now.
I don't accept these arguments because it's not good enough motive.
"Saving Face" doesn't make sense to me. You think AIPAC has never lost an election before? That would be nonsense considering how many they are in.
"AIPAC Buddies", yeah: it's an open fact. Literally everyone in DC knows it. Saying the loud part out loud doesn't do anything.
It's not about one election, it's about a moment in time when Zionism is facing an unprecedented level of popular backlash from the right, the left, and even American Jews themselves. The Overton Window on Zionism has been shattered, and their attempt to primary the lone Republican in Congress who stands up to Zionism while giving zero fucks failed spectacularly.
Tbf, Massie is way worse for them than, say, Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, because these women are leftist Muslims, so of course they're gonna be anti-Zionist. Neither does AOC, because she's already positioned herself as far-left. But for a simple small-government milquetoast libertarian type to be standing against Zionism, at a time when big, mainstream conservative pundits like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are also pushing back, and the Daily Wire has taken a huge hit over this issue, is definitely reason for Zionists to be nervous.
Zionism has boomers, especially boomercons, as their demographic base in the US, so they're already on a sinking ship. Thomas Massie is exactly the kind of straight-shooting common sense politicians that normies, and especially conservatives, love, and he's attacking the issue from a normal conservative perspective, not a far-left or even far-right perspective, which makes him difficult to ignore.
Let's zero in on that last line:
Yes, everyone in DC. You forget that most people aren't plugged into politics like DC insiders are, or even like we are. This is genuinely shocking to normies, and it's, again, coming from a congressman who doesn't come across as extreme, he's just an oldschool small government conservative. So again, where if it was being said by Omar or whomever it could be dismissed out of hand as some unhinged "conspiracy theory," but it can't be dismissed out of hand like that when it's coming from someone like Massie.
Dead wrong. Massie has zero institutional power. He has zero institutional influence. He presents no threat. As you noted, Tucker Carlson has more influence. Candace Owens has more influence. Both of them, and their families are alive and well. Massie simply doesn't matter enough to warrant a motive.
Yes, surely the normies will rise up. This never works. 60% of America believes that there was voter fraud or irregularity in the 2020 election, and 80% think Jeffery Epstein was assassinated. Congratulations, sometimes the truth doesn't change anything. Particularly if the truth is an open secret.
HEY GUYS! I HEARD STUDIO 54 HAS HOMOSEXUALS IN IT!
GUYS?
Except all of her donors, all of her constituents, and all of the foreign funding and organization she receives. Hence the problem. Massie is nothing compared to Omar.
Stormfags gonna stormfag. They're forum sliding tourists here to destroy any chances the right has of actually getting anything done by giving the left and "moderates" (useful idiots) ammo to cry about the right being super mean.
They just need to come out of the closet as communists and be done with it.