Oh that's well and fine, but the church was already a witness against you and everybody was offended - you subjected the whole church to a male stripper performance. Pastor Mark wasn't throwing him under the bus either... he just had reservations against hiring a male stripper for a church service, just like everyone else who was forced to see that.
John just ran up and went OY VEY! I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT!
"18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!"
Etcetera, Etcetera.
I'm confused. Did the other guy mean a different verse? Because I don't know what this has to do with anything.
15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
"We can all learn a lot from this young man here, this.. this.." "Rudiger." "Rudiger. And if we can all be more like little Rudiger.." "His name is Bart" "His name isn't important!"
Oh that's well and fine, but the church was already a witness against you and everybody was offended - you subjected the whole church to a male stripper performance. Pastor Mark wasn't throwing him under the bus either... he just had reservations against hiring a male stripper for a church service, just like everyone else who was forced to see that.
John just ran up and went OY VEY! I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT!
Treat him like a pagan or a taxcollector.
"18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!"
Etcetera, Etcetera.
I'm confused. Did the other guy mean a different verse? Because I don't know what this has to do with anything.
Dealing With Sin in the Church
15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
It's a bit further down the page.
Ok I can see that now. I got tired of reading it after the first half. That's why pastors make the big bucks.
Depending on your church, you hear that one a lot.
It's the "don't air the dirty laundry" clause that lets them keep it on the down low when pastors have affairs or other corruption gets noticed.