I watched the movie again last night. Sure, it’s not perfect (Wedding is my favourite, and then 2), and some here may think it’s too Jewish, but I still genuinely like it. Like, it’s no worse than the original Mean Girls or Superbad, and it hasn’t aged that badly. Some of the humour is still reasonably current - it’s literally where we got “MILF” from, after all!
Yet Zoomers won’t watch it (but Rocky Horror is ok, because it’s “queer”?) and the “new media” constantly calls it problematic, to the point of at least one “viral” article a year to that effect, which is just… Pathetic really. Especially since even my extremely normie, straight-laced parents had to admit that they have chuckled at it a few times…
Honestly, I just wish I had first seen the movie when I was a teen, rather than in my twenties. I probably could have done with a dose of that, growing up.
Also, prime Tara Reid, Natasha Lyonne and Shannon Elizabeth (though not Alyson Hannigan or Mena Suvari, IMHO), so there’s that, too…
And that’s who the entertainment industry listens to. American Pie came out when I was in high school and I remember a critic calling it Fast Times at Ridgemont High for the 90s. I’m happy to have grown up in the 80s and 90s. These young people watch old shows or movies and then run to social media and whine about them
Reminds me of when Jezebel used to write an article about how transphobic and racist friends was once a quarter. They truly live a miserable existence and want to drag everyone down there with them.
Made me add Friends to my queue to watch. I’ve seen Leave it to Beaver get attacked for outdated values from a white perspective.
First few seasons are fairly decent. I didn't watch much after that but it got too into the Ross/Rachel drama for my taste.
Probably the most beautiful sitcom cast in History though.
Its funny because almost every guy in the movie is a complete loser who has to spend the duration of the movie learning to mature and be deserving of their much more "put together" girlfriends. The obvious "problematic" scene is portrayed as something a bunch of absolutely pathetic guys are doing to get a whiff of a girl way out of their league.
Sure its all done with titillation in mind, and it is titillating, but its not remotely presented as endorsement. Every single "problematic" trait each guy has has to be worked on or swallowed with their pride before they get rewarded. From Stifler to even the side ones like Sherman.
Except for the one who bangs Stifler's Mom but he is also barely a character outside of that running gag.
Yeah, I never thought it was intended as an endorsement of their behaviour, but rather more like "Look at these pathetic losers. If even they can get it together, why can't you?"
If it even went that "deep".
Though I do think Nadia kind of screwed him around a bit, there, and Vicky's dumping of Kevin after they have sex is ice cold (after making him tell her he loves her multiple times, lol), let alone Michelle being almost psychotic, but eh, it's fun.
I just hate the need of the current generation to overthink absolutely everything. It's just a dumb movie with a bunch of mostly dumb actors and actresses playing dumb characters, lol.
Why Rocky Horror doesn't get the same level of so-called "critique" that American Pie, Mean Girls, Superbad or any of the other similar movies and series get I do not know...
Oh, except for the fact that the rapist and murderer in the movie is a "queer" alien. I suppose that makes it okay (to them)...
But yeah, I would argue that the girls in Broad City and similar shows are definitely worse people than the gang from American Pie. At least the boys in Pie show some degree of character growth and maturation, as you say...
The British version of this is The Inbetweeners, which I do enjoy, but is arguably even more puerile (at least in the movies). Much more "current", though, and it's British humour, so it carries over better to Australia.
I still think peak Tara Reid > peak Emily Atack, though. But man, Tara Reid has looked pretty rough ever since, sadly...
Zoomer women, don't lump the Zoomer men in there (outside of the lefty ones). Zoomer men are more likely to be pretty right wing statistically. Too bad their women are far more likely to be hard lefties.
Functioning societies take various steps to mitigate and mask women's hatred of non-Chads. The sexual revolution destroyed those mitigation measures one by one, and by the turn of the century the mask was all that was left. Millennial men watched the mask come off and Zoomer men are the first generation to grow up without any shielding from the ugly truth. The real question is why Zoomer men aren't even more right wing than they are.
"Our civilization is held together by a pact: mid men get pussy, everyone else gets core infrastructure."
I never tire of that article.
Makes sense why tons of zoomer women are flocking to date blacks. Pay the coal toll, and then wonder why nobody with a good job wants to raise their half breeds and deal with their deadbeat dads
Directed by Paul Weitz
Written by Adam Herz
Some comedies were a little raunchy, but by today's standards, almost everything is. It seems to come in waves. The revenge of the nerds, porky's and other movies of the start to the mid 80s got repeated in the mid 90s as other silly comedies.
If you use today's lens to pass judgement on the past, nothing will pass.
Most of us who grew up and lived through it just saw it for what it was. Dumb humor that was fun for the hour or so the movie lasted, then you moved on.
The only things Rocky Horror really has going for it is Tim Curry, the music, and the audience participation aspect. It's not that great a movie otherwise.
The same goes for Animal House. It's one of those things you like as a teenager, but as a movie, it's kind of meh, and leans towards shaggy dogginess. But my generation loved it (and my cadet corps was pretty much run by John Belushi cultists.)
My only problem with American Pie is the same one I have with Donnie Darko - I kept tuning in to the same, absolute worst, most off-putting scene over and over, prompting me to change the channel and not be interested in watching the whole thing.
Adolescent humour has always ranged from "midly naughty" to "as raunchy as possible without getting an X rating like Fritz the Cat"
I think American Pie kind of gets better as it goes along. At the very least, the last half hour or so is better than the rest of the movie deserves, IMHO. And it’s not even that crude at that point. But yeah, you’re not wrong.
I personally prefer Wedding (American Pue 3), which was the first one I saw through, and I even liked 2 more than 1, so… If you wanted to ease into it somewhat, that’s an option I guess..?
More Stifler in those, so YMMV as to whether you like that or not.
And yeah, I didn’t like Animal House.
Love the Blues Brothers. But Animal House just ain’t for me.
Is anyone really calling it problematic or is it the usual antics from the presstitutes?
I hate that we're not culturally able to produce raunchy heterosexual sex comedies anymore, but there's only one hot woman actress under 30 with big boobs left so maybe it's better that they don't try.