Why should anyone outside of Ukraine give a fuck what happens there? I do care that money I'm forced to pay is being used for this shit, but that's as far as my concerns go.
I actually have a better question for you. How is this any different from the war in Iraq? Same bullshit money laundering, different fucking day.
If you don't care that's fine, as long as you're telling the truth. The "don't care" position would be something like "yes Putin is attempting to conquer Ukraine for his dreams of empire, that's not my problem". This is a totally defensible position.
It's also okay to be pro-putin. What's not ok is to say you "don't care" then do a hundred mental backflips and type an essay every time someone says something true and unflattering about your favorite dictator. Just be honest in your position.
How is this any different from the war in Iraq?
The difference is this time we're on the right side. Russia is waging a war of aggression for their own political, territorial and resource gain. They're playing the role we did in Iraq. They even had their own "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit story, this time about bio labs - and it seemed plausible too, didn't it?
With all the covid shit in Wuhan. Just like the WMD story in Iraq seemed plausible because Saddam kept fucking with the UN inspectors. Russia has sophisticated intelligence agencies, just like we do (or did at least), who can plant stories and come up with plausible lies to suit the wants of the regime.
lol you are actually delusional. I haven’t been cornered and you haven’t demonstrated that I hold any false beliefs at all. Can you try to engage with reality instead of whatever script you have in your head?
Cool, what happens when putin topples the kiev government again? That's what this subthread is about right?
You wrote that whole paragraph about how putin is but a peaceful gas merchant, because of how much you don't care. He doesn't want to install a puppet government in kiev, he just wants to topple the current regime and then ______
Well I didn’t address it because to me it’s a stupid question. Like I said, I don’t give a fuck about what happens in Ukraine! I live across the world, and if western governments packed up and never meddled in Eastern Europe or anywhere else again, and spent money here instead of on foreign wars, MY little life would only improve.
But I’ll humor you even though it seems pathetically obvious. Putin topples the regime in Kiev (currently led by a comedian known for playing the piano with his dick) and annexes the eastern part of Ukraine, leaving a small rump state where he installs a friendly puppet regime. This new Kiev country might even be allowed to have elections and elect a government that is unfriendly to Russia, but it won’t matter because they’ll be effectively neutered by having their territory reduced, and they’ll probably be forced into concessions where they’re not allowed to build up a military like Japan post world war 2.
You obviously wanna say “AND THEN PUTIN WILL MARCH ON POLAND!!” But honestly, and he’s said this, there’s no reason to. Russia is turning to Eurasia and Asia for trade. They have all the resources they’ll ever need; Europe has nothing. I’ll remind you that Russia tried to join NATO and was refused because the Cold War dinosaurs in the deep state wanted to have an enemy. Russia will turn away from the west and become rich and prosperous while we sit over here and destroy ourselves with mass immigration, climate change policies, and gender ideology.
Thanks, this was my point. The idea that putin does not want to conquer ukraine and install a puppet is patently absurd. Of course he does. What else would he do. Now you and u/Assassin47/ can fight it out.
>This new Kiev country might even be allowed to have elections and elect a government that is unfriendly to Russia
Really? How has putin typically treated his political opposition?
You seemed to care a lot, right before you got cornered by your obviously false beliefs.
Why should anyone outside of Ukraine give a fuck what happens there? I do care that money I'm forced to pay is being used for this shit, but that's as far as my concerns go.
I actually have a better question for you. How is this any different from the war in Iraq? Same bullshit money laundering, different fucking day.
If you don't care that's fine, as long as you're telling the truth. The "don't care" position would be something like "yes Putin is attempting to conquer Ukraine for his dreams of empire, that's not my problem". This is a totally defensible position.
It's also okay to be pro-putin. What's not ok is to say you "don't care" then do a hundred mental backflips and type an essay every time someone says something true and unflattering about your favorite dictator. Just be honest in your position.
The difference is this time we're on the right side. Russia is waging a war of aggression for their own political, territorial and resource gain. They're playing the role we did in Iraq. They even had their own "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit story, this time about bio labs - and it seemed plausible too, didn't it? With all the covid shit in Wuhan. Just like the WMD story in Iraq seemed plausible because Saddam kept fucking with the UN inspectors. Russia has sophisticated intelligence agencies, just like we do (or did at least), who can plant stories and come up with plausible lies to suit the wants of the regime.
lol you are actually delusional. I haven’t been cornered and you haven’t demonstrated that I hold any false beliefs at all. Can you try to engage with reality instead of whatever script you have in your head?
Cool, what happens when putin topples the kiev government again? That's what this subthread is about right?
You wrote that whole paragraph about how putin is but a peaceful gas merchant, because of how much you don't care. He doesn't want to install a puppet government in kiev, he just wants to topple the current regime and then ______
Well I didn’t address it because to me it’s a stupid question. Like I said, I don’t give a fuck about what happens in Ukraine! I live across the world, and if western governments packed up and never meddled in Eastern Europe or anywhere else again, and spent money here instead of on foreign wars, MY little life would only improve.
But I’ll humor you even though it seems pathetically obvious. Putin topples the regime in Kiev (currently led by a comedian known for playing the piano with his dick) and annexes the eastern part of Ukraine, leaving a small rump state where he installs a friendly puppet regime. This new Kiev country might even be allowed to have elections and elect a government that is unfriendly to Russia, but it won’t matter because they’ll be effectively neutered by having their territory reduced, and they’ll probably be forced into concessions where they’re not allowed to build up a military like Japan post world war 2.
You obviously wanna say “AND THEN PUTIN WILL MARCH ON POLAND!!” But honestly, and he’s said this, there’s no reason to. Russia is turning to Eurasia and Asia for trade. They have all the resources they’ll ever need; Europe has nothing. I’ll remind you that Russia tried to join NATO and was refused because the Cold War dinosaurs in the deep state wanted to have an enemy. Russia will turn away from the west and become rich and prosperous while we sit over here and destroy ourselves with mass immigration, climate change policies, and gender ideology.
>he installs a friendly puppet regime
Thanks, this was my point. The idea that putin does not want to conquer ukraine and install a puppet is patently absurd. Of course he does. What else would he do. Now you and u/Assassin47/ can fight it out.
>This new Kiev country might even be allowed to have elections and elect a government that is unfriendly to Russia
Really? How has putin typically treated his political opposition?