Yeah UK is fucked unless, and this is an EXTREME unless, the normies have enough too and mass vote in regional parties only, ignoring the national parties like Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems etc
It'd be enough to fuck up the system because everyone there is used to being one of two parties in charge but the only hope is if enough of the smaller parties are fans if Argentina's current president and gut the civil service, THEN the UK has a shot at recovery.
We are fucked in the UK. Even Reform, who decent academics like Matthew Goodwin now praise, are looking realistically at a “two-election plan.”
Unfortunately, that means Labour; insane levels of immigration, rascism towards native Brits, even more woke institutions, Muslim dominance rising, terrorism, rape, and the very real possibility of the immigrant vote being so high (like the USA Biden plan) that legal recovery is simply impossible.
I feel like even then, you would have the issue of regionalism in bureaucracy... Like, even if they did that, the current system means that all of the constituent parts of the UK apart from England would still maintain their parliaments, public service, etc.
And you've presumably heard of how dysfunctional Stormont (Norn Iron) and Holyrood (Scotland) already are..? I don't know enough about Wales, but I think it may be similar, too (politics there is even fucking weirder, in my understanding)...
With Norn there's almost no chance of overcoming the sectarianism there enough to get one of the not-explicitly-sectarian parties over the line (also power sharing, which is a nightmare), and with Scotland... There's not really much of an "opposition" to the SNP apart from Labour (they hate the Conservatives up there, with a passion)...
There's also the fact that "the North" only really voted Con because the Cons promised to deliver on Brexit, and then utterly, utterly failed to do anything of substance beyond that. There is almost zero chance of the North not voting Labour again this time around, and that's a huge chunk of the population right there...
So while I like your idea, I'd go so far as to say that it's more than just extreme - it's almost functionally impossible, sadly.
But also yes. That would be the only hope. But I just don't see it happening, like, at all...
That's why I said extreme, I got more chance of finding a genie than the normies of the UK trying to actively unfuck themselves by not voting for any of the main parties at least.
If I do find a genie and get 3 wishes, I'm going to see if wish to always have two wishes as I need more than 3 to unfuck the world properly.
I have to be careful how I post this because it's the UK, but I don't want the Conservative party to be saved, I want them obliterated into nothing so a real opposition party can take charge. Ideal scenario is at the very least even if there's a labour win all the real Conservatives out there abandon the party and simply vote reform where they can.
That was Reform’s stance before they (under advisement) stopped being “We want to destroy the Tories” and started being “We ARE the alternative to Labour.”
The Tories need to die. The only difference between them and Sharia Labour is a matter of degrees; the staggering entitlement and arrogance they display (even the favoured ones, like Jacob Rees-Mogg fall prey to this) ensures you can count on them to never get it.
If the Conservatives somehow manage to win the next election, I will attempt to eat a hat (apparently people have tried before, though I'm not sure I even own a leather hat).
There's historical precedent, of course (mostly from the 90s, in the UK and Australia), but it seems... Almost failingly unlikely.
I expect, and hope, much like you do, that they get absolutely obliterated...
I fucking hate Starmer (slimy fuck), but at least he doesn't pretend to be the exact opposite of what he really is, is actually able to string a speech together (or, ya know, read from the teleprompter) and not look like a fucking clone, and, finally, doesn't have an inherited net worth higher than the GDP of several countries, like fucking Sunak and wife (definition of "Brahmin nepo babies", if ever I saw one).
Sunak makes my skin crawl. Somehow even more than Starmer does...
at least he doesn't pretend to be the exact opposite of what he really is
I can only presume you know little about Beer Starmer.
The reason he loathes Boris Johnson so much is because they are the same; both weak men, with no vision, no moral compass, no courage and no convictions. They both desperately appease different sides of arguments- Johnson’s “We’ll deliver Brexit! Lol jk, I’m gonna increase legal immigration through the roof” isn’t as well known as, say, Starmers interminable flip flopping on ANY issue depending who he’s addressing.
Starmer is liar, a dishonest, corrupt little cunt, and woe betide the day he gets into power.
I want him to get into power, because all the normies and millennial cringe hipsters will think everything will be better with Labour and I want them to be proven so badly wrong on that. We need them thoroughly black pilled on the left.
One of the big factors that I haven't been able to really do the maths on yet is the Muslim response to Labour. Palestine really is becoming a major issue for Labour in particular because they haven't officially come down on one side or the other. I think that because our politicians are that useless the Muslims may end up jumping ship to back their own candidates if the Labour party don't explicitly condemn Israel because they call anyone who doesn't a zionist.
I fear that’s rather like “I hope I set myself on fire on the kitchen, because then my wife will stop nagging ME to cook.”
I think Labour in power is incredibly dangerous. It’s not a game; we’ve had Bliar open those floodgates in ‘97, yet that was nothing compared to the hordes currently arriving both legally and illegally.
Starmer has shown he is fully on board with “Yeah women can have a penis,” he’s shown he’s fully able to be pressured by the Islamists to call for “ceasefire” (ie, Israeli surrender), he’s shown repeatedly that the country is fucked under him.
And you know something? On Twitter they’re already calling it; after Labour get in, there will be a coup, and Starmer will be replaced by Sad IQ Khan or an equally vile Muslim. And then we all know what comes next.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you completely, I don't know if you're British or not, but foreigners in particular tend to underestimate how in denial the average population is about all of this. It won't be until they start seeing Muslim caliphates popping up and declaring themselves a faction with the army having to be called in and green on blue incidents happening because of the foreigners they've recruited into the ranks that they will finally never consider allowing something like this to happen again.
To the average voter, it really is a case of they believe the media and think the only people against mass migration are the 'far right' and it's just people who are racist that don't like the brown skin. Don't get me wrong, there's certain chunks of the population that are getting massively red pilled but I'm prepping for it to get worse big time rather than better.
There's another scenario though I've considered because I know Labour aren't that retarded they may end up easing off the migration and going more Tony Blair style because the Conservatives have been moving far too quickly with it. They'll possibly ease off on everything and get their marching orders on that, that's if they have a brain. However we do know that most of the Labour ranks are not filled with clever people and it's mostly Muslims and actual retards now who will be making all of the local decisions.
Even if they put out the order all the civil servants and staff could well ignore them which would be pretty funny. The issue is denial, it has to get worse, I know it's bad but I'm a pragmatic person generally and the thing is I know how brainwashed people are. You're going to have to see mothers lead away in cuffs at the playground and Muslim caliphates forming for them to do anything.
I hope I'm badly wrong and you're right of course, however again, I know how the average normie and leftist in the UK really thinks. They are massive cunts and even if the living standards of everybody around them goes to hell as long as they get their pizza and netflix they're happy.
Yeah, I’m English. I live in a south east city you could easily call “woke central.”
However, I do disagree with you about the “average Brit;” have you heard of Matthew Goodwin? A thoroughly sound academic who used to be a leftie then basically snapped out of it. He’s a HUGE promoter of British culture and less immigration, and his polling indicates around 80% of the country are what you and I would call “normal.”
Most Brits KNOW what Muslims and certain immigrant cultures are like. But they’ve let themselves feel isolated, like they’re out of touch- they don’t realise it really is the vast majority are still, for want of a better term, sane.
Stuff like Lee Anderson getting suspended is all to the good; more and more people realise “Hey, this guy thinks like me and he’s been punished. Something is WRONG HERE.”
This is why I post I hope I'm badly wrong towards November. Absolute dream scenario, average normie voter sees what the main parties are doing and either stay home or they vote for the reform party. Maybe if we're lucky hung parliament with a surprise reform win as all the Conservatives simply flip their votes and give the Conservative party the middle finger with the Labour party forced to enter into a coalition with the Conservatives thoroughly exposing them all.
I tend to expect the worse case scenarios though and I think it's probably going to be an outright Labour win by a thin margin because of how disillusioned people are including me with the democratic process. I know for my part I won't be voting because I've got no choice, it's purely mainstream candidates where I am. I'll check to see if there's a reform candidate though this time around.
A very real possibility we're going to get is the Muslims could end up giving this sort of win as a result of splitting off from the Labour party because that's where the left gets the majority of their vote share from. The white working class despise labour so I think it's fairly certain most won't vote for them.
I hope there's total chaos, but at the same time I'm not stupid and I never underestimate the normie. Seeing recent developments with the politicians and how they're handling their Muslim voters is very interesting though, they're absolutely terrified of them.
Yeah UK is fucked unless, and this is an EXTREME unless, the normies have enough too and mass vote in regional parties only, ignoring the national parties like Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems etc
It'd be enough to fuck up the system because everyone there is used to being one of two parties in charge but the only hope is if enough of the smaller parties are fans if Argentina's current president and gut the civil service, THEN the UK has a shot at recovery.
We are fucked in the UK. Even Reform, who decent academics like Matthew Goodwin now praise, are looking realistically at a “two-election plan.”
Unfortunately, that means Labour; insane levels of immigration, rascism towards native Brits, even more woke institutions, Muslim dominance rising, terrorism, rape, and the very real possibility of the immigrant vote being so high (like the USA Biden plan) that legal recovery is simply impossible.
I feel like even then, you would have the issue of regionalism in bureaucracy... Like, even if they did that, the current system means that all of the constituent parts of the UK apart from England would still maintain their parliaments, public service, etc.
And you've presumably heard of how dysfunctional Stormont (Norn Iron) and Holyrood (Scotland) already are..? I don't know enough about Wales, but I think it may be similar, too (politics there is even fucking weirder, in my understanding)...
With Norn there's almost no chance of overcoming the sectarianism there enough to get one of the not-explicitly-sectarian parties over the line (also power sharing, which is a nightmare), and with Scotland... There's not really much of an "opposition" to the SNP apart from Labour (they hate the Conservatives up there, with a passion)...
There's also the fact that "the North" only really voted Con because the Cons promised to deliver on Brexit, and then utterly, utterly failed to do anything of substance beyond that. There is almost zero chance of the North not voting Labour again this time around, and that's a huge chunk of the population right there...
So while I like your idea, I'd go so far as to say that it's more than just extreme - it's almost functionally impossible, sadly.
But also yes. That would be the only hope. But I just don't see it happening, like, at all...
That's why I said extreme, I got more chance of finding a genie than the normies of the UK trying to actively unfuck themselves by not voting for any of the main parties at least.
If I do find a genie and get 3 wishes, I'm going to see if wish to always have two wishes as I need more than 3 to unfuck the world properly.
I have to be careful how I post this because it's the UK, but I don't want the Conservative party to be saved, I want them obliterated into nothing so a real opposition party can take charge. Ideal scenario is at the very least even if there's a labour win all the real Conservatives out there abandon the party and simply vote reform where they can.
That was Reform’s stance before they (under advisement) stopped being “We want to destroy the Tories” and started being “We ARE the alternative to Labour.”
The Tories need to die. The only difference between them and Sharia Labour is a matter of degrees; the staggering entitlement and arrogance they display (even the favoured ones, like Jacob Rees-Mogg fall prey to this) ensures you can count on them to never get it.
If the Conservatives somehow manage to win the next election, I will attempt to eat a hat (apparently people have tried before, though I'm not sure I even own a leather hat).
There's historical precedent, of course (mostly from the 90s, in the UK and Australia), but it seems... Almost failingly unlikely.
I expect, and hope, much like you do, that they get absolutely obliterated...
I fucking hate Starmer (slimy fuck), but at least he doesn't pretend to be the exact opposite of what he really is, is actually able to string a speech together (or, ya know, read from the teleprompter) and not look like a fucking clone, and, finally, doesn't have an inherited net worth higher than the GDP of several countries, like fucking Sunak and wife (definition of "Brahmin nepo babies", if ever I saw one).
Sunak makes my skin crawl. Somehow even more than Starmer does...
I can only presume you know little about Beer Starmer.
The reason he loathes Boris Johnson so much is because they are the same; both weak men, with no vision, no moral compass, no courage and no convictions. They both desperately appease different sides of arguments- Johnson’s “We’ll deliver Brexit! Lol jk, I’m gonna increase legal immigration through the roof” isn’t as well known as, say, Starmers interminable flip flopping on ANY issue depending who he’s addressing.
Starmer is liar, a dishonest, corrupt little cunt, and woe betide the day he gets into power.
I want him to get into power, because all the normies and millennial cringe hipsters will think everything will be better with Labour and I want them to be proven so badly wrong on that. We need them thoroughly black pilled on the left.
One of the big factors that I haven't been able to really do the maths on yet is the Muslim response to Labour. Palestine really is becoming a major issue for Labour in particular because they haven't officially come down on one side or the other. I think that because our politicians are that useless the Muslims may end up jumping ship to back their own candidates if the Labour party don't explicitly condemn Israel because they call anyone who doesn't a zionist.
I fear that’s rather like “I hope I set myself on fire on the kitchen, because then my wife will stop nagging ME to cook.”
I think Labour in power is incredibly dangerous. It’s not a game; we’ve had Bliar open those floodgates in ‘97, yet that was nothing compared to the hordes currently arriving both legally and illegally.
Starmer has shown he is fully on board with “Yeah women can have a penis,” he’s shown he’s fully able to be pressured by the Islamists to call for “ceasefire” (ie, Israeli surrender), he’s shown repeatedly that the country is fucked under him.
And you know something? On Twitter they’re already calling it; after Labour get in, there will be a coup, and Starmer will be replaced by Sad IQ Khan or an equally vile Muslim. And then we all know what comes next.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you completely, I don't know if you're British or not, but foreigners in particular tend to underestimate how in denial the average population is about all of this. It won't be until they start seeing Muslim caliphates popping up and declaring themselves a faction with the army having to be called in and green on blue incidents happening because of the foreigners they've recruited into the ranks that they will finally never consider allowing something like this to happen again.
To the average voter, it really is a case of they believe the media and think the only people against mass migration are the 'far right' and it's just people who are racist that don't like the brown skin. Don't get me wrong, there's certain chunks of the population that are getting massively red pilled but I'm prepping for it to get worse big time rather than better.
There's another scenario though I've considered because I know Labour aren't that retarded they may end up easing off the migration and going more Tony Blair style because the Conservatives have been moving far too quickly with it. They'll possibly ease off on everything and get their marching orders on that, that's if they have a brain. However we do know that most of the Labour ranks are not filled with clever people and it's mostly Muslims and actual retards now who will be making all of the local decisions.
Even if they put out the order all the civil servants and staff could well ignore them which would be pretty funny. The issue is denial, it has to get worse, I know it's bad but I'm a pragmatic person generally and the thing is I know how brainwashed people are. You're going to have to see mothers lead away in cuffs at the playground and Muslim caliphates forming for them to do anything.
I hope I'm badly wrong and you're right of course, however again, I know how the average normie and leftist in the UK really thinks. They are massive cunts and even if the living standards of everybody around them goes to hell as long as they get their pizza and netflix they're happy.
Yeah, I’m English. I live in a south east city you could easily call “woke central.”
However, I do disagree with you about the “average Brit;” have you heard of Matthew Goodwin? A thoroughly sound academic who used to be a leftie then basically snapped out of it. He’s a HUGE promoter of British culture and less immigration, and his polling indicates around 80% of the country are what you and I would call “normal.”
Most Brits KNOW what Muslims and certain immigrant cultures are like. But they’ve let themselves feel isolated, like they’re out of touch- they don’t realise it really is the vast majority are still, for want of a better term, sane.
Stuff like Lee Anderson getting suspended is all to the good; more and more people realise “Hey, this guy thinks like me and he’s been punished. Something is WRONG HERE.”
This is why I post I hope I'm badly wrong towards November. Absolute dream scenario, average normie voter sees what the main parties are doing and either stay home or they vote for the reform party. Maybe if we're lucky hung parliament with a surprise reform win as all the Conservatives simply flip their votes and give the Conservative party the middle finger with the Labour party forced to enter into a coalition with the Conservatives thoroughly exposing them all.
I tend to expect the worse case scenarios though and I think it's probably going to be an outright Labour win by a thin margin because of how disillusioned people are including me with the democratic process. I know for my part I won't be voting because I've got no choice, it's purely mainstream candidates where I am. I'll check to see if there's a reform candidate though this time around.
A very real possibility we're going to get is the Muslims could end up giving this sort of win as a result of splitting off from the Labour party because that's where the left gets the majority of their vote share from. The white working class despise labour so I think it's fairly certain most won't vote for them.
I hope there's total chaos, but at the same time I'm not stupid and I never underestimate the normie. Seeing recent developments with the politicians and how they're handling their Muslim voters is very interesting though, they're absolutely terrified of them.
It's an unsalvageable party, I just hope the normies have the sense to see it, but normies are going to normie.
There is no political solution, even talk about political solution is illegal.
Penny Mordaunt? She looks like a British Thwomp. Are people that hard up for women over there?
how about an englishman?