A majority of things about someone are set in genetics from their parents. The idea that everyone is born a blank slate that can gym and work their way to success from absolutely nothing is simply not viable or realistic in all but the most extreme of examples. Of course, self-help gurus and coaches will treat you as a blank slate because the alternative won't make them money. People don't like to hear uncomfortable truths either but alas, reality, nature and evolution doesn't care about people's feelings.
People also tend to see an exception and assume that the rule is null and void. Of course under that logic, heterosexuality would be a myth! But we all know otherwise.
The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up. "I was just born like this, no point trying!" Its just "my genetics made me fat" all over again.
So its not that its untrue, its that you can't do shit about it so why even bother thinking about it? Its literal brain rot to bog you down with to even give it a moment's thought, when you can instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
The problem isn't self-improvement, it's advice that is unrealistic and any critique of it is handwaved away as a 'negative mindset'. Not everyone can be Elon Musk levels of rich and status by going to the gym and touching grass. It's a sad fact of life but life isn't fair, you can't change your genes and not everyone is going to succeed in life. The self-help gurus and coaches won't tell you that because it's kryptonite to their profitability.
I don't disagree, but telling people to reach for the stars knowing they will fail is infinitely better than telling them to not even try because they were born already a failure.
Just because predators take advantage of something doesn't make it a bad thing. It just means be mindful of fucking grifters trying to exploit you.
The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up.
Yeah, it's one thing I really dislike about the modern blackpill men's movement. There's a lot of truth to what they say and, although they get some things wrong about women, they also get a lot right...but their conclusions are, at least in my opinion, totally wrong. And they focus on the wrong things, give up, and play the blame game. To use the more lefty word, some of it gets really toxic too. It's defeatist, it's jealous, it's just unpleasant.
...instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
Yup, this is the way. Also, although there is some truth in XYZ being set in stone...we have so many other things bogging us down too, especially in this modern world. Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect, doesn't mean they can't become a much better and more attractive person by getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
Focusing on that you can't change some things about yourself or, per this topic, that there are plenty of unpleasant characteristics of women, doesn't get you anywhere, even if those things are true. As you said, it can be both true and completely unproductive or even destructive to focus on.
Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect
Its basic multiplication. A 10 from birth only needs to put in 2x the effort to be a 20, while a 2 from birth has to put in 10x. Which might not even be possible or probable to do, leaving him forever lower simply because of his starting hand.
But you can still get that multiplier up to something rather than just be a 2 wasting his life away in blackpilled misery.
I get what you're saying, but I'll refer you back to the full context:
Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect...[start by] getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
My point is that, no matter if you're a 2 or a 10, there are very easy steps to improve yourself. In some ways, you could even argue 2s have more room for improvement, since they have more obvious garbage laying around, even if their foundation is worse. But that wasn't even my point, now I'm just drawing out the analogy. But I think that is also a valid point; a 2 might be able to get to a 5 or 6 much easier than a 10 could get to 11. A 2 is going to have lots of fixable problems...or be a very rare case of being an actual 2; ugly, retarded, abusive upbringing, what have you. It happens, but is probably not the norm for a 2.
So the end results might not be as impressive, but the growth will be very meaningful, and some of it will potentially be easy. Not saying it's magic, not saying the person who starts out worse will ever catch up to the guy who starts out better, but there's always room for growth, and that 2 can drastically improve their life if they try, instead of giving up.
To use another true but overused phrase, the 2 needs to compare himself not to the 10, but to where the 2 used to be. If he can make himself even a 3 or a 4, he's already moving up in a big way. Who cares if he'll never be a 10, if he can improve his lot well above his past 2?
Only societal destruction and rebuilding can allow the common man to get a woman. If women are allowed to make their own choice the rates of murder suicide and rape among men will only continue to grow.
A majority of things about someone are set in genetics from their parents. The idea that everyone is born a blank slate that can gym and work their way to success from absolutely nothing is simply not viable or realistic in all but the most extreme of examples. Of course, self-help gurus and coaches will treat you as a blank slate because the alternative won't make them money. People don't like to hear uncomfortable truths either but alas, reality, nature and evolution doesn't care about people's feelings.
People also tend to see an exception and assume that the rule is null and void. Of course under that logic, heterosexuality would be a myth! But we all know otherwise.
The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up. "I was just born like this, no point trying!" Its just "my genetics made me fat" all over again.
So its not that its untrue, its that you can't do shit about it so why even bother thinking about it? Its literal brain rot to bog you down with to even give it a moment's thought, when you can instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
I thought the truth was to start training to become a geneticist, Gattaca awaits! xD
The problem isn't self-improvement, it's advice that is unrealistic and any critique of it is handwaved away as a 'negative mindset'. Not everyone can be Elon Musk levels of rich and status by going to the gym and touching grass. It's a sad fact of life but life isn't fair, you can't change your genes and not everyone is going to succeed in life. The self-help gurus and coaches won't tell you that because it's kryptonite to their profitability.
I don't disagree, but telling people to reach for the stars knowing they will fail is infinitely better than telling them to not even try because they were born already a failure.
Just because predators take advantage of something doesn't make it a bad thing. It just means be mindful of fucking grifters trying to exploit you.
I'd rather people set realistic goals and succeed rather than fail and end back up where they started.
And genetics is a prominent ceiling that you can't overcome sadly. For example, 14% of men are six feet or over but make up over half of CEOs.
Yeah, it's one thing I really dislike about the modern blackpill men's movement. There's a lot of truth to what they say and, although they get some things wrong about women, they also get a lot right...but their conclusions are, at least in my opinion, totally wrong. And they focus on the wrong things, give up, and play the blame game. To use the more lefty word, some of it gets really toxic too. It's defeatist, it's jealous, it's just unpleasant.
Yup, this is the way. Also, although there is some truth in XYZ being set in stone...we have so many other things bogging us down too, especially in this modern world. Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect, doesn't mean they can't become a much better and more attractive person by getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
Focusing on that you can't change some things about yourself or, per this topic, that there are plenty of unpleasant characteristics of women, doesn't get you anywhere, even if those things are true. As you said, it can be both true and completely unproductive or even destructive to focus on.
Its basic multiplication. A 10 from birth only needs to put in 2x the effort to be a 20, while a 2 from birth has to put in 10x. Which might not even be possible or probable to do, leaving him forever lower simply because of his starting hand.
But you can still get that multiplier up to something rather than just be a 2 wasting his life away in blackpilled misery.
I get what you're saying, but I'll refer you back to the full context:
My point is that, no matter if you're a 2 or a 10, there are very easy steps to improve yourself. In some ways, you could even argue 2s have more room for improvement, since they have more obvious garbage laying around, even if their foundation is worse. But that wasn't even my point, now I'm just drawing out the analogy. But I think that is also a valid point; a 2 might be able to get to a 5 or 6 much easier than a 10 could get to 11. A 2 is going to have lots of fixable problems...or be a very rare case of being an actual 2; ugly, retarded, abusive upbringing, what have you. It happens, but is probably not the norm for a 2.
So the end results might not be as impressive, but the growth will be very meaningful, and some of it will potentially be easy. Not saying it's magic, not saying the person who starts out worse will ever catch up to the guy who starts out better, but there's always room for growth, and that 2 can drastically improve their life if they try, instead of giving up.
To use another true but overused phrase, the 2 needs to compare himself not to the 10, but to where the 2 used to be. If he can make himself even a 3 or a 4, he's already moving up in a big way. Who cares if he'll never be a 10, if he can improve his lot well above his past 2?
Only societal destruction and rebuilding can allow the common man to get a woman. If women are allowed to make their own choice the rates of murder suicide and rape among men will only continue to grow.