The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up. "I was just born like this, no point trying!" Its just "my genetics made me fat" all over again.
So its not that its untrue, its that you can't do shit about it so why even bother thinking about it? Its literal brain rot to bog you down with to even give it a moment's thought, when you can instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
The problem isn't self-improvement, it's advice that is unrealistic and any critique of it is handwaved away as a 'negative mindset'. Not everyone can be Elon Musk levels of rich and status by going to the gym and touching grass. It's a sad fact of life but life isn't fair, you can't change your genes and not everyone is going to succeed in life. The self-help gurus and coaches won't tell you that because it's kryptonite to their profitability.
I don't disagree, but telling people to reach for the stars knowing they will fail is infinitely better than telling them to not even try because they were born already a failure.
Just because predators take advantage of something doesn't make it a bad thing. It just means be mindful of fucking grifters trying to exploit you.
The problem with that is, "realistic" for a lot of people is well below their potential and colored highly by their own laziness and self doubt. Constantly setting "realistic" goals will have people in a pretty stagnant place and the "success" they feel will be barely earned. Which then leads into the spiral of "well I didn't eat 15 cakes today, only 13 so my diet was a success" type mindsets, because they've taught themselves (and their brain's dopamine) to trigger on minimal effort places instead of being reserved for motivating to big ones.
Its not that genetics can be ignored. Its that people are still people and filled with all the failings and neuroses that brings, leaving them with an easy excuse and the ability to feel good about lowered goals will have 9/10 people just flounder around worthlessly like that. Whereas "impossible reaching" goals might be delusional and capable of some pretty big letdowns, but its also capable of bringing them well beyond where they thought they'd ever get too.
The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up.
Yeah, it's one thing I really dislike about the modern blackpill men's movement. There's a lot of truth to what they say and, although they get some things wrong about women, they also get a lot right...but their conclusions are, at least in my opinion, totally wrong. And they focus on the wrong things, give up, and play the blame game. To use the more lefty word, some of it gets really toxic too. It's defeatist, it's jealous, it's just unpleasant.
...instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
Yup, this is the way. Also, although there is some truth in XYZ being set in stone...we have so many other things bogging us down too, especially in this modern world. Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect, doesn't mean they can't become a much better and more attractive person by getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
Focusing on that you can't change some things about yourself or, per this topic, that there are plenty of unpleasant characteristics of women, doesn't get you anywhere, even if those things are true. As you said, it can be both true and completely unproductive or even destructive to focus on.
Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect
Its basic multiplication. A 10 from birth only needs to put in 2x the effort to be a 20, while a 2 from birth has to put in 10x. Which might not even be possible or probable to do, leaving him forever lower simply because of his starting hand.
But you can still get that multiplier up to something rather than just be a 2 wasting his life away in blackpilled misery.
I get what you're saying, but I'll refer you back to the full context:
Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect...[start by] getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
My point is that, no matter if you're a 2 or a 10, there are very easy steps to improve yourself. In some ways, you could even argue 2s have more room for improvement, since they have more obvious garbage laying around, even if their foundation is worse. But that wasn't even my point, now I'm just drawing out the analogy. But I think that is also a valid point; a 2 might be able to get to a 5 or 6 much easier than a 10 could get to 11. A 2 is going to have lots of fixable problems...or be a very rare case of being an actual 2; ugly, retarded, abusive upbringing, what have you. It happens, but is probably not the norm for a 2.
So the end results might not be as impressive, but the growth will be very meaningful, and some of it will potentially be easy. Not saying it's magic, not saying the person who starts out worse will ever catch up to the guy who starts out better, but there's always room for growth, and that 2 can drastically improve their life if they try, instead of giving up.
To use another true but overused phrase, the 2 needs to compare himself not to the 10, but to where the 2 used to be. If he can make himself even a 3 or a 4, he's already moving up in a big way. Who cares if he'll never be a 10, if he can improve his lot well above his past 2?
The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up. "I was just born like this, no point trying!" Its just "my genetics made me fat" all over again.
So its not that its untrue, its that you can't do shit about it so why even bother thinking about it? Its literal brain rot to bog you down with to even give it a moment's thought, when you can instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
I thought the truth was to start training to become a geneticist, Gattaca awaits! xD
The problem isn't self-improvement, it's advice that is unrealistic and any critique of it is handwaved away as a 'negative mindset'. Not everyone can be Elon Musk levels of rich and status by going to the gym and touching grass. It's a sad fact of life but life isn't fair, you can't change your genes and not everyone is going to succeed in life. The self-help gurus and coaches won't tell you that because it's kryptonite to their profitability.
I don't disagree, but telling people to reach for the stars knowing they will fail is infinitely better than telling them to not even try because they were born already a failure.
Just because predators take advantage of something doesn't make it a bad thing. It just means be mindful of fucking grifters trying to exploit you.
I'd rather people set realistic goals and succeed rather than fail and end back up where they started.
And genetics is a prominent ceiling that you can't overcome sadly. For example, 14% of men are six feet or over but make up over half of CEOs.
The problem with that is, "realistic" for a lot of people is well below their potential and colored highly by their own laziness and self doubt. Constantly setting "realistic" goals will have people in a pretty stagnant place and the "success" they feel will be barely earned. Which then leads into the spiral of "well I didn't eat 15 cakes today, only 13 so my diet was a success" type mindsets, because they've taught themselves (and their brain's dopamine) to trigger on minimal effort places instead of being reserved for motivating to big ones.
Its not that genetics can be ignored. Its that people are still people and filled with all the failings and neuroses that brings, leaving them with an easy excuse and the ability to feel good about lowered goals will have 9/10 people just flounder around worthlessly like that. Whereas "impossible reaching" goals might be delusional and capable of some pretty big letdowns, but its also capable of bringing them well beyond where they thought they'd ever get too.
Yeah, it's one thing I really dislike about the modern blackpill men's movement. There's a lot of truth to what they say and, although they get some things wrong about women, they also get a lot right...but their conclusions are, at least in my opinion, totally wrong. And they focus on the wrong things, give up, and play the blame game. To use the more lefty word, some of it gets really toxic too. It's defeatist, it's jealous, it's just unpleasant.
Yup, this is the way. Also, although there is some truth in XYZ being set in stone...we have so many other things bogging us down too, especially in this modern world. Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect, doesn't mean they can't become a much better and more attractive person by getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
Focusing on that you can't change some things about yourself or, per this topic, that there are plenty of unpleasant characteristics of women, doesn't get you anywhere, even if those things are true. As you said, it can be both true and completely unproductive or even destructive to focus on.
Its basic multiplication. A 10 from birth only needs to put in 2x the effort to be a 20, while a 2 from birth has to put in 10x. Which might not even be possible or probable to do, leaving him forever lower simply because of his starting hand.
But you can still get that multiplier up to something rather than just be a 2 wasting his life away in blackpilled misery.
I get what you're saying, but I'll refer you back to the full context:
My point is that, no matter if you're a 2 or a 10, there are very easy steps to improve yourself. In some ways, you could even argue 2s have more room for improvement, since they have more obvious garbage laying around, even if their foundation is worse. But that wasn't even my point, now I'm just drawing out the analogy. But I think that is also a valid point; a 2 might be able to get to a 5 or 6 much easier than a 10 could get to 11. A 2 is going to have lots of fixable problems...or be a very rare case of being an actual 2; ugly, retarded, abusive upbringing, what have you. It happens, but is probably not the norm for a 2.
So the end results might not be as impressive, but the growth will be very meaningful, and some of it will potentially be easy. Not saying it's magic, not saying the person who starts out worse will ever catch up to the guy who starts out better, but there's always room for growth, and that 2 can drastically improve their life if they try, instead of giving up.
To use another true but overused phrase, the 2 needs to compare himself not to the 10, but to where the 2 used to be. If he can make himself even a 3 or a 4, he's already moving up in a big way. Who cares if he'll never be a 10, if he can improve his lot well above his past 2?