The only problem with saying that truth is that it just gives people a blank check to give up.
Yeah, it's one thing I really dislike about the modern blackpill men's movement. There's a lot of truth to what they say and, although they get some things wrong about women, they also get a lot right...but their conclusions are, at least in my opinion, totally wrong. And they focus on the wrong things, give up, and play the blame game. To use the more lefty word, some of it gets really toxic too. It's defeatist, it's jealous, it's just unpleasant.
...instead be focusing on what you can change and improve.
Yup, this is the way. Also, although there is some truth in XYZ being set in stone...we have so many other things bogging us down too, especially in this modern world. Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect, doesn't mean they can't become a much better and more attractive person by getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
Focusing on that you can't change some things about yourself or, per this topic, that there are plenty of unpleasant characteristics of women, doesn't get you anywhere, even if those things are true. As you said, it can be both true and completely unproductive or even destructive to focus on.
Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect
Its basic multiplication. A 10 from birth only needs to put in 2x the effort to be a 20, while a 2 from birth has to put in 10x. Which might not even be possible or probable to do, leaving him forever lower simply because of his starting hand.
But you can still get that multiplier up to something rather than just be a 2 wasting his life away in blackpilled misery.
I get what you're saying, but I'll refer you back to the full context:
Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect...[start by] getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
My point is that, no matter if you're a 2 or a 10, there are very easy steps to improve yourself. In some ways, you could even argue 2s have more room for improvement, since they have more obvious garbage laying around, even if their foundation is worse. But that wasn't even my point, now I'm just drawing out the analogy. But I think that is also a valid point; a 2 might be able to get to a 5 or 6 much easier than a 10 could get to 11. A 2 is going to have lots of fixable problems...or be a very rare case of being an actual 2; ugly, retarded, abusive upbringing, what have you. It happens, but is probably not the norm for a 2.
So the end results might not be as impressive, but the growth will be very meaningful, and some of it will potentially be easy. Not saying it's magic, not saying the person who starts out worse will ever catch up to the guy who starts out better, but there's always room for growth, and that 2 can drastically improve their life if they try, instead of giving up.
To use another true but overused phrase, the 2 needs to compare himself not to the 10, but to where the 2 used to be. If he can make himself even a 3 or a 4, he's already moving up in a big way. Who cares if he'll never be a 10, if he can improve his lot well above his past 2?
Yeah, it's one thing I really dislike about the modern blackpill men's movement. There's a lot of truth to what they say and, although they get some things wrong about women, they also get a lot right...but their conclusions are, at least in my opinion, totally wrong. And they focus on the wrong things, give up, and play the blame game. To use the more lefty word, some of it gets really toxic too. It's defeatist, it's jealous, it's just unpleasant.
Yup, this is the way. Also, although there is some truth in XYZ being set in stone...we have so many other things bogging us down too, especially in this modern world. Just because someone's personal foundation may not be perfect, doesn't mean they can't become a much better and more attractive person by getting rid of some of the utter trash sitting on the foundation. People have so many issues, many of which can be fixed, much of it even with relative ease.
Focusing on that you can't change some things about yourself or, per this topic, that there are plenty of unpleasant characteristics of women, doesn't get you anywhere, even if those things are true. As you said, it can be both true and completely unproductive or even destructive to focus on.
Its basic multiplication. A 10 from birth only needs to put in 2x the effort to be a 20, while a 2 from birth has to put in 10x. Which might not even be possible or probable to do, leaving him forever lower simply because of his starting hand.
But you can still get that multiplier up to something rather than just be a 2 wasting his life away in blackpilled misery.
I get what you're saying, but I'll refer you back to the full context:
My point is that, no matter if you're a 2 or a 10, there are very easy steps to improve yourself. In some ways, you could even argue 2s have more room for improvement, since they have more obvious garbage laying around, even if their foundation is worse. But that wasn't even my point, now I'm just drawing out the analogy. But I think that is also a valid point; a 2 might be able to get to a 5 or 6 much easier than a 10 could get to 11. A 2 is going to have lots of fixable problems...or be a very rare case of being an actual 2; ugly, retarded, abusive upbringing, what have you. It happens, but is probably not the norm for a 2.
So the end results might not be as impressive, but the growth will be very meaningful, and some of it will potentially be easy. Not saying it's magic, not saying the person who starts out worse will ever catch up to the guy who starts out better, but there's always room for growth, and that 2 can drastically improve their life if they try, instead of giving up.
To use another true but overused phrase, the 2 needs to compare himself not to the 10, but to where the 2 used to be. If he can make himself even a 3 or a 4, he's already moving up in a big way. Who cares if he'll never be a 10, if he can improve his lot well above his past 2?