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Been watching too much baseball, and while I understand why some people hate unions, I’m indifferent, but have a good anti-union example.
posted 2 years ago by redman012 2 years ago by redman012 +15 / -0

Major League Baseball umpires. Don’t really need to explain any more than that. CB Bucknor, Laz Diaz and Angel Hernandez are people that non baseball fans should even know, and yet they do.

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– redman012 [S] 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0

Angel Hernandez probably rings a bell because he sued the MLB accusing them of racism because he’s so bad that they won’t let him call playoff games, and the MLB pulled up to federal court with highlights of all his missed calls over the years, and the judge agreed with MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

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– current_horror 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Between football and basketball, I watched probably 100+ games a year before 2016 aka pre-TDS.

I now watch zero games a year. Because I don’t want to support people who want me dead.

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– Smith1980 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Angel Hernandez sucks!! He annoys me more than Joe West did. Who is your team? I’m a Rangers fan

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– Feelsgood2020 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

You can be pro union and anti corruption. A win for workers is a win for all of us.

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– CatoTheElder 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

If you are pro union, then you are anti worker. Unions are democrat funding machines, and democrats are mass importing third worlders to crash wages.

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– Feelsgood2020 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Are 40 hour work weeks anti worker? What about paid sick leave or overtime pay? These are all union gains that were passed on to non-union workers once they became mainstream.

/people drown in pools so I am anti water.

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– SturmMilfEnthusiast 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Needing to be pro or anti-(broad category) is a boomerism that needs to die. Workers sometimes band together to stand on equal footing with their bosses. Mobs sometimes seize power, collective or bureaucratic, for themselves. Politicians sometimes (usually) sleep with mobsters to each others' benefit, at our expense. All of these things happen under the category of "union."

Democrats have the leeway to make these grand, ridiculous gestures. We don't. Take the rail union incident from a few years ago. By all rights, the guys handling freight should be our guys just by the nature of their work, and that shouldn't be hard to achieve when the "pro-union" Dems raped them for the sin of wanting more than one sick day.

What mongoloids would miss that opportunity because they see the word "union" and immediately made up their minds? Thankfully, not many of us, but it's a pitfall to watch out for. Living in clown world means the more extreme position is often the more sane one, but it's not always, and we can't afford to miss opportunities.

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– Feelsgood2020 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The quote is essentially saying union sometimes good, union sometimes bad. Really nothing more.

The issue is that a post industrial revolution and global society requires things like collective bargaining to maintain pay and work standards. Otherwise it is the family until suffers as well as society as a whole that feels the need to provide social programs to non union workers with living assistance like we currently do for Wal-Mart employees.

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– cccpneveragain 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I'm anti-union, but it's more the union's relationship with the government. Unions and their employer, yeah whatever, but the employer should have the right to tell them all to piss off without government intervention. If you want to stay, earn the right to be missed. Union demands have gotten out of hand.

MLB is probably the worst too. There's some excellent umpires, Pat Hoberg is notable for calling a perfect strike zone in last years world series. He's also not known to be an egotistical prick. Getting a job as an umpire is about like replacing a supreme court justice though, you have to wait for them to die.

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– Assassin47 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I'd be fine with them too as long as some "separation of union and state" principle was enforced. No government money flowing into unions, no political power wielded by unions. Nobody can be stopped from participating in a union, nobody can be forced to participate in a union.

But I really don't see why a sportsball entertainment company full of entitled millionaires needs them. Do Starcraft esports teams have unions?

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– redman012 [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The original reasons for the players unions were because of pay, unironically, because even certain stars used to have to work during the offseason because of not making enough. In fact, the MLB All-Star game was originally designed to be a scheme to help those All-Stars get more money for their retirement, while the owners just took everything. Considering how sports are how a lot of people still get out of poverty, and most teams are owned by billionaires who wouldn't spit on us to stop a fire, I don't hate that traditional athletes have unions, I hate that esports players don't have unions, because of not taking heed of what happened back in the day.

Also, the entire reason "free agency" exists is because of lawsuits, because teams used to be able to just extend you until they wanted to get rid of you, you had no choice as to what team you wanted to play for.

In MLB specifically, the reason that players want to at least play for ten years is because that's when they're guaranteed a full retirement, as while yes, the stars get paid huge amounts of money, the non-stars are still in the steepest tax bracket.

Team owners being pieces of shit is why players' unions exist.

Edit: https://www.mlbplayers.com/history

https://nflpa.com/about/history

https://nbpa.com/about

I used to think player unions were unnecessary too, until I learned just how terrible owners were, and a lot of them, still are.

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– MLGS 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Going out of your way to be known as the Bad Umpire on purpose is really embarrassing.

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