Women are just completely out of touch with what men are like out there. According to the Female Delusion Calculator, only 0.35% of men in the age range of 30-39yo are as good as myself. I'm a not obese white man, 5'10" who isn't married and makes $135,000/yr. I can't even have casual sex with women. I haven't been on a date in two years. If I was paired with the top 0.35% of women, I'd be set. Instead, the only women who share any interest in me are single mothers and only if I'm willing to pay everything for them, do all the housework for them and without them having to have sex with me.
Men just want women to have realistic standards such that a woman understands where she falls in the relative attraction scale and goes for men who are relatively similar to her.
Women absolutely refuse to accept they are no where close to as attractive as they think they are relatively speaking.
If this doesn't prove it's all about height and looks I don't know what does. Am I correct in assuming that you're in the bottom 95% in terms of facial features?
I'd say for facial features I'm about a 5.5/10 for white men. I think my overall physical appearance is about a 6.5-7/10. The biggest issue for me personally for relationships is I mostly just want to have sex. I don't actually find women enjoyable for much outside of sex. I like small talk, hanging out, cuddling, watching movies but I hate dating and I hate being on a woman's beck and call. I just like doing what I feel like. I can in fact attract 7-7.5/10 women but these women are always the reformed slut types. They rode the cock carousel and see me as the guy they're going to settle down with, out up the white picket fence, tick their boxes for "marriage" and live a life of keeping up with the Joneses. I have 0 interest in this type of lifestyle with a woman. I want to be the cock on the carousel she's riding but I can only attract 4-5/10 women for that. The 7-7.5/10 women can find 8-9/10 men to ride if that's all they want instead of me. The 4-5/10 women though are too ugly for me to be bothered to have sex with so that basically puts me into Incel territory. For me to have a standard monogamous long-term relationship with a woman, the relationship would have to be under my terms which would be very non-standard compared to most relationships. When a 7/10 decides to settle for me, she sees herself as lowering her standards already so she thinks she should be the one dictating terms for the relationship and I'm not about to compromise on anything just for the sake of making something work. Either it works for me or it doesn't and the kind of relationship most women want doesn't work for me. But ironically, if I was a 9-10/10 man, then the relationship I wanted with the woman would work. The only reason women negotiate for a relationship style they want with men like me is because they think they're doing men like me a favor giving me attention when I'd rather just be single than engage in a relationship structure that's driven by what the woman wants. So that's why I'm single... but I'm in the top 0.35% of men so if women think men are less like me the further they go up, they're sadly mistaken.
Interesting write up, thanks for that. My situation is that I absolutely refuse to uproot my life for a woman who doesn't significantly improve my quality of life, and those improvements simply aren't realistic in today's dating scene. I also refuse cohabitation, marriage, and kids. Since I'm not Chad no woman is going to stick around very long once she realizes that I refuse to jeopardize my future just to keep her around.
Yeah, I'd say that's basically me too. Women don't really add any value outside of sex, imo. Traditional relationships are worthless to me. Children and cohabitation are death sentences for men.
I'm about a 6.5-7.0 overall in looks but my face is above average. There's fat/chubby guys that have better faces than me but I beat them in physique. 5.5 might be a little conservative. Maybe 6 or 6.5 is better. I do think my body is better than my face and overall I'm def a 6.5-7/10 so whatever you think that would be.
I'd be fine with a 7/10 woman if she treated me like she treats 9-10/10 men or how a 4-5/10 woman treats me. I don't want a 7/10 woman treat me the way that 7/10 women do. It's not worth it for me.
Now factor in metrics that women care about such as height, weight, income, race and I'm a 9.5/10.
So I don't think it's outside the realm of reasonable to expect a 7/10 looking woman to treat me the way she would treat a 9/10 looking man despite the fact that I only am a 7/10 looking guy once all other aspects of myself are factored in.
There may be some stuff in your 'calculation' that you are missing. For one, you sound extraordinarily bitter and resentful. No one wants that sort of person around.
Why don't you want to? I don't have casual sex either but the reason I don't is because the women I can have casual sex with are too unattractive for me to be bothered.
Then you're suggesting to most men that sex entirely is stupid but most men I know enjoy sex and sometimes you can be intimate with a woman without children. You shouldn't cut down your fellow men simply because they have a difference in taste then you in this regard. Having children is admirable but there simply aren't a lot of women worth having children with out there and western societies have made it legally a nightmare for men to have children. It makes sense for most men not to want children in modernity through no fault of their own yet still many of these men will want a sexual relationship with a woman still and there's nothing wrong with that. Ideally, it would be great if men could only have sex with a woman they want to marry and have children with but in practice that doesn't work.
The bible says men who can't control their sexual desires should get a wife but in modernity there are no wives to go around. Men can't just take a wife like they may have been able to in the passed. Men are forced to have to adapt to the system that exists today and yes this system is far from ideal but you can't blame men for having to navigate in the weeds. Hardly any man wants the options available to them. They simply have no choice and are forced to adapt to our sick sick society.
Women are just completely out of touch with what men are like out there. According to the Female Delusion Calculator, only 0.35% of men in the age range of 30-39yo are as good as myself. I'm a not obese white man, 5'10" who isn't married and makes $135,000/yr. I can't even have casual sex with women. I haven't been on a date in two years. If I was paired with the top 0.35% of women, I'd be set. Instead, the only women who share any interest in me are single mothers and only if I'm willing to pay everything for them, do all the housework for them and without them having to have sex with me.
Men just want women to have realistic standards such that a woman understands where she falls in the relative attraction scale and goes for men who are relatively similar to her.
Women absolutely refuse to accept they are no where close to as attractive as they think they are relatively speaking.
If this doesn't prove it's all about height and looks I don't know what does. Am I correct in assuming that you're in the bottom 95% in terms of facial features?
I'd say for facial features I'm about a 5.5/10 for white men. I think my overall physical appearance is about a 6.5-7/10. The biggest issue for me personally for relationships is I mostly just want to have sex. I don't actually find women enjoyable for much outside of sex. I like small talk, hanging out, cuddling, watching movies but I hate dating and I hate being on a woman's beck and call. I just like doing what I feel like. I can in fact attract 7-7.5/10 women but these women are always the reformed slut types. They rode the cock carousel and see me as the guy they're going to settle down with, out up the white picket fence, tick their boxes for "marriage" and live a life of keeping up with the Joneses. I have 0 interest in this type of lifestyle with a woman. I want to be the cock on the carousel she's riding but I can only attract 4-5/10 women for that. The 7-7.5/10 women can find 8-9/10 men to ride if that's all they want instead of me. The 4-5/10 women though are too ugly for me to be bothered to have sex with so that basically puts me into Incel territory. For me to have a standard monogamous long-term relationship with a woman, the relationship would have to be under my terms which would be very non-standard compared to most relationships. When a 7/10 decides to settle for me, she sees herself as lowering her standards already so she thinks she should be the one dictating terms for the relationship and I'm not about to compromise on anything just for the sake of making something work. Either it works for me or it doesn't and the kind of relationship most women want doesn't work for me. But ironically, if I was a 9-10/10 man, then the relationship I wanted with the woman would work. The only reason women negotiate for a relationship style they want with men like me is because they think they're doing men like me a favor giving me attention when I'd rather just be single than engage in a relationship structure that's driven by what the woman wants. So that's why I'm single... but I'm in the top 0.35% of men so if women think men are less like me the further they go up, they're sadly mistaken.
Interesting write up, thanks for that. My situation is that I absolutely refuse to uproot my life for a woman who doesn't significantly improve my quality of life, and those improvements simply aren't realistic in today's dating scene. I also refuse cohabitation, marriage, and kids. Since I'm not Chad no woman is going to stick around very long once she realizes that I refuse to jeopardize my future just to keep her around.
Yeah, I'd say that's basically me too. Women don't really add any value outside of sex, imo. Traditional relationships are worthless to me. Children and cohabitation are death sentences for men.
So you're saying that you're a 5.5/10, can attract 5/10s, but want 9-10s?
You need some work on your interpretation.
I'm about a 6.5-7.0 overall in looks but my face is above average. There's fat/chubby guys that have better faces than me but I beat them in physique. 5.5 might be a little conservative. Maybe 6 or 6.5 is better. I do think my body is better than my face and overall I'm def a 6.5-7/10 so whatever you think that would be.
I'd be fine with a 7/10 woman if she treated me like she treats 9-10/10 men or how a 4-5/10 woman treats me. I don't want a 7/10 woman treat me the way that 7/10 women do. It's not worth it for me.
Now factor in metrics that women care about such as height, weight, income, race and I'm a 9.5/10.
So I don't think it's outside the realm of reasonable to expect a 7/10 looking woman to treat me the way she would treat a 9/10 looking man despite the fact that I only am a 7/10 looking guy once all other aspects of myself are factored in.
There may be some stuff in your 'calculation' that you are missing. For one, you sound extraordinarily bitter and resentful. No one wants that sort of person around.
A black man with my height age and income is like 0011 iirc. I can have casual sex but I don't want to.
Why don't you want to? I don't have casual sex either but the reason I don't is because the women I can have casual sex with are too unattractive for me to be bothered.
I'm a Christian and it's just stupid to have sex with women that I wouldn't potentially want children with
Then you're suggesting to most men that sex entirely is stupid but most men I know enjoy sex and sometimes you can be intimate with a woman without children. You shouldn't cut down your fellow men simply because they have a difference in taste then you in this regard. Having children is admirable but there simply aren't a lot of women worth having children with out there and western societies have made it legally a nightmare for men to have children. It makes sense for most men not to want children in modernity through no fault of their own yet still many of these men will want a sexual relationship with a woman still and there's nothing wrong with that. Ideally, it would be great if men could only have sex with a woman they want to marry and have children with but in practice that doesn't work.
The bible says men who can't control their sexual desires should get a wife but in modernity there are no wives to go around. Men can't just take a wife like they may have been able to in the passed. Men are forced to have to adapt to the system that exists today and yes this system is far from ideal but you can't blame men for having to navigate in the weeds. Hardly any man wants the options available to them. They simply have no choice and are forced to adapt to our sick sick society.