"You need anything for your ship, she's got you covered."
"She may be a little rough around the edges, but she's just looking out for her own. There's no one better to have your back."
"Naeva's got a fire in her. The kind you only see in an engine pushed to its limit. She doesn't half-ass a damn thing and I love her for it."
This isn't how people talk. This is how bad writers make people talk because they have no idea how to have the characters demonstrate the personalities they envisioned for them through their own actions. And knowing this is a Bethesda game, the only thing I'm sure either of these two tough-as-nails hardcore lesbians do is stand around like statues and talk tough while they give you your mission and expect you to do all the dirty, dangerous work. And then run around looking like fools when violence does break out because the animations and AI are still crap. Either way, it's your guy who does the heavy lifting, but is forced to tolerate these cunts' condescension for plot reasons.
Though for what it's worth, this Naeva sounds like an abuser. She sees her girlfriend doing maintenance work on a malfunctioning area of the ship and her first reaction is to get mad and demand to know what she's doing, because she can't stop being tough and belligerent all the time. And when Jasmine tells her to have faith in her, Naeva condescendingly says she always does. Yeah, didn't sound like she did, and that was a pretty damn sarcastic tone. And as for Jazz, she's coming across as a battered woman trying to hide behind a girlboss facade.
Exactly. These shit-tier writers never heard of "show, don't tell". Imagine if every time you walked up to the bar the bartender told you what her personality is like. There's zero immersion in trash writing like this, because normal people don't talk like this.
Are you? Are you really? You are offended by this?
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"You need anything for your ship, she's got you covered."
You can buy things for your ship. Or she can repair your ship.
"She may be a little rough around the edges, but she's just looking out for her own. There's no one better to have your back."
She belongs to a faction or will react poorly to someone elses death.
"Naeva's got a fire in her. The kind you only see in an engine pushed to its limit. She doesn't half-ass a damn thing and I love her for it."
Here is an aspect of her character you will not be able to derive through standard game play, or we wish for you to know about her up front.
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You got replacement dialog for any of that? Because if not, you've said nothing here. Oh, yagh, lesbians are abuser, which is an agenda you wish to push I suppose. True or not. Is this thread of any actual value? Are they pushing modern woke tropes? Did you get any of that from your dialog examples?
The issue with these lines is that they violate the "show, don't tell" principle of writing. We have characters going out of their way to describe themselves, or others in this case, in overselling ways that don't come across as natural and are nakedly there to serve as a shortcut for proper characterization. Or they're trying to make these characters more impressive with minimal effort. The fixes needed aren't something that can be done with a few line replacements. We're talking about a complete overhaul about what's actually written and how the characters present themselves.
Here is an aspect of her character you will not be able to derive through standard game play, or we wish for you to know about her up front.
Way to prove my point. They couldn't put in the effort to SHOW me why Naeva is so awesome by having her do something awesome, so they just have her simp TELL me she is.
You clearly don't understand when to tell and NOT show.
For reference Here is a scene that would have made for a humorous conversation between two men reminisced on over drinks. That is where "Tell don't show" becomes useful, as it is a scene that should have never been filmed.
At this point, do you even understand what the supposed fake outrage of this topic was even meant to be?
Why you up voted it? Who you are as a person?
Why you continue to reply?
Again, here is the title that this thread is based on:
Try not to cringe: Strong independent interracial lesbian astronauts who need no man in Starfield
To which you replied that you are offended by dialog existing in an RPG, and continue slide down that path defending that as your sole objection.
What the fuck is even going on here! Are you O.D'ing on crazy pills While sniffing powdered estrogen capsules!?!
It's not an aspect of her character, she has no character she's a static quest giver who is voice acted very poorly. She has no more personality than the literal mission boards that also exist in the game.
She can be both a static quest giver and have character. This is a game.
Though congratulations for providing the most sane reply in this thread.
Which is probably why nobody up voted you so far. Can't have rational thoughts in an echo chamber can we? Nope, sure can't.
It's a puked up scree for political points.
Is it though, can you describe what aspects of her dialog that are pushing back against the 'patriarchy' or any other aspect of her dialog that extol woke virtues against family values? Or anything that you find offensive in any way what so ever?
And here is your dialog:
"You need anything for your ship, she's got you covered."
"She may be a little rough around the edges, but she's just looking out for her own. There's no one better to have your back."
"Naeva's got a fire in her. The kind you only see in an engine pushed to its limit. She doesn't half-ass a damn thing and I love her for it."
Take your time now. And lets have it. Anything, anything at all. Lets here it.
Sure. If another character has to spend all their dialogue telling me how awesome some other character is, without anything actually happening in front of the player, then it's bad writing. In media it's called a puff piece. Nevermind how incredibly stilted those lines are.
Same reason although way worse than the problem with Ulfric in Skyrim. At least Ulfric is there during the dragon attack.
The worst part about is that they can set the scene better than this, and have, in several games prior.
Second one is either self-contradictory, or overly redundant, depending on further context of whether or not the PC can join the clique. If they can't, then the second line is unnecessary. If they can, it contradicts the first line as "her own" is apparently not all that niche a group, and if it's that open, the first line becomes the redundant one that isn't altogether true, rather than the second line.
In that case, it could be shortened to "She's a real diamond in the rough. Emphasis on rough." if you wanted to showcase the roughness element while still denoting the goodness element, especially with the second portion being said louder, implying it to be intended to be overheard and thus a jab against the character.
In the first-line-redundant case, if they wanted them to be besty lezzies, you could go for something along the lines of "...Just don't get her mama bear instincts up.". In half the words, you've implied she's fiercely protective of her clan and that she's kinda bad at social situations around it. It clearly denotes her own family unit, and that she's defensive, but doesn't have the self-contradiction implying you both could, and could not, join into it.
For the third one, to me it sounds like cross-talk that the PC really isn't the intended ear for, but rather, this Naeva is the one meant to be hearing it. So having it said TO the PC, rather than THROUGH the PC towards another listener (Naeva), makes it seem stilted. If you go up to a loving couple, and the man turns to you, zones his wife out completely, and says zoomed in on you "Hello. My wife is very attractive. She performs sex very well." out of nowhere, you don't say that's just background info, it's WEIRD for it to be said to the listener when the subject of the sentence is right there, since the listener isn't the intended recipient of the message, the subject of the sentence is.
But maybe that's the purpose of the message, to showcase that this character IS very weird, stilted, and bizarrely exhibitionistic about their sex partner. But if not, the line would flow better as a background lore dump if it had less purple prose: "Naeva's ambitious, no matter the subject, one of her best traits.".
Of course, if the speaker is some crazed bard fresh from bard school, then yeah, purple prose it up. But I have a feeling they aren't. But if they are, it should be even MORE prosey: "She's got a fire in her. The kind you only see in an engine pushed to its limit. The oil burns brightest in that midnight gloom, my one true shining sparkle in the void of space. I wrote a country-western song about her, want to hear it?"
I'm more offended by this dialogue.
"You need anything for your ship, she's got you covered."
"She may be a little rough around the edges, but she's just looking out for her own. There's no one better to have your back."
"Naeva's got a fire in her. The kind you only see in an engine pushed to its limit. She doesn't half-ass a damn thing and I love her for it."
This isn't how people talk. This is how bad writers make people talk because they have no idea how to have the characters demonstrate the personalities they envisioned for them through their own actions. And knowing this is a Bethesda game, the only thing I'm sure either of these two tough-as-nails hardcore lesbians do is stand around like statues and talk tough while they give you your mission and expect you to do all the dirty, dangerous work. And then run around looking like fools when violence does break out because the animations and AI are still crap. Either way, it's your guy who does the heavy lifting, but is forced to tolerate these cunts' condescension for plot reasons.
Though for what it's worth, this Naeva sounds like an abuser. She sees her girlfriend doing maintenance work on a malfunctioning area of the ship and her first reaction is to get mad and demand to know what she's doing, because she can't stop being tough and belligerent all the time. And when Jasmine tells her to have faith in her, Naeva condescendingly says she always does. Yeah, didn't sound like she did, and that was a pretty damn sarcastic tone. And as for Jazz, she's coming across as a battered woman trying to hide behind a girlboss facade.
Exactly. These shit-tier writers never heard of "show, don't tell". Imagine if every time you walked up to the bar the bartender told you what her personality is like. There's zero immersion in trash writing like this, because normal people don't talk like this.
Are you? Are you really? You are offended by this?
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You can buy things for your ship. Or she can repair your ship.
She belongs to a faction or will react poorly to someone elses death.
Here is an aspect of her character you will not be able to derive through standard game play, or we wish for you to know about her up front.
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You got replacement dialog for any of that? Because if not, you've said nothing here. Oh, yagh, lesbians are abuser, which is an agenda you wish to push I suppose. True or not. Is this thread of any actual value? Are they pushing modern woke tropes? Did you get any of that from your dialog examples?
Are you also offended by dialog?
Good thing you don't do actual table top. We would need to stop for emotional distress breaks every time the Game Master opened his mouth.
Sit down noob. And while your at it, shut up.
Calm down, faggot.
God I wish this site's block feature worked.
The issue with these lines is that they violate the "show, don't tell" principle of writing. We have characters going out of their way to describe themselves, or others in this case, in overselling ways that don't come across as natural and are nakedly there to serve as a shortcut for proper characterization. Or they're trying to make these characters more impressive with minimal effort. The fixes needed aren't something that can be done with a few line replacements. We're talking about a complete overhaul about what's actually written and how the characters present themselves.
Way to prove my point. They couldn't put in the effort to SHOW me why Naeva is so awesome by having her do something awesome, so they just have her simp TELL me she is.
I'd like to see that 'book'.
This is a game. Not a movie. Not a book.
You clearly don't understand when to tell and NOT show.
For reference Here is a scene that would have made for a humorous conversation between two men reminisced on over drinks. That is where "Tell don't show" becomes useful, as it is a scene that should have never been filmed.
At this point, do you even understand what the supposed fake outrage of this topic was even meant to be?
Why you up voted it? Who you are as a person?
Why you continue to reply?
Again, here is the title that this thread is based on:
To which you replied that you are offended by dialog existing in an RPG, and continue slide down that path defending that as your sole objection.
What the fuck is even going on here! Are you O.D'ing on crazy pills While sniffing powdered estrogen capsules!?!
It's not an aspect of her character, she has no character she's a static quest giver who is voice acted very poorly. She has no more personality than the literal mission boards that also exist in the game.
It's a puked up scree for political points.
She can be both a static quest giver and have character. This is a game.
Though congratulations for providing the most sane reply in this thread.
Which is probably why nobody up voted you so far. Can't have rational thoughts in an echo chamber can we? Nope, sure can't.
Is it though, can you describe what aspects of her dialog that are pushing back against the 'patriarchy' or any other aspect of her dialog that extol woke virtues against family values? Or anything that you find offensive in any way what so ever?
And here is your dialog:
Take your time now. And lets have it. Anything, anything at all. Lets here it.
Sure. If another character has to spend all their dialogue telling me how awesome some other character is, without anything actually happening in front of the player, then it's bad writing. In media it's called a puff piece. Nevermind how incredibly stilted those lines are.
Same reason although way worse than the problem with Ulfric in Skyrim. At least Ulfric is there during the dragon attack.
The worst part about is that they can set the scene better than this, and have, in several games prior.
E.g., show, don't tell: https://youtu.be/8UMb-ubySec?t=139
It's not a movie. How are you not understanding that games are not movies?
Do you even understand what a game is?
Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a game. It was a mistake.
First one's fine.
Second one is either self-contradictory, or overly redundant, depending on further context of whether or not the PC can join the clique. If they can't, then the second line is unnecessary. If they can, it contradicts the first line as "her own" is apparently not all that niche a group, and if it's that open, the first line becomes the redundant one that isn't altogether true, rather than the second line.
In that case, it could be shortened to "She's a real diamond in the rough. Emphasis on rough." if you wanted to showcase the roughness element while still denoting the goodness element, especially with the second portion being said louder, implying it to be intended to be overheard and thus a jab against the character.
In the first-line-redundant case, if they wanted them to be besty lezzies, you could go for something along the lines of "...Just don't get her mama bear instincts up.". In half the words, you've implied she's fiercely protective of her clan and that she's kinda bad at social situations around it. It clearly denotes her own family unit, and that she's defensive, but doesn't have the self-contradiction implying you both could, and could not, join into it.
For the third one, to me it sounds like cross-talk that the PC really isn't the intended ear for, but rather, this Naeva is the one meant to be hearing it. So having it said TO the PC, rather than THROUGH the PC towards another listener (Naeva), makes it seem stilted. If you go up to a loving couple, and the man turns to you, zones his wife out completely, and says zoomed in on you "Hello. My wife is very attractive. She performs sex very well." out of nowhere, you don't say that's just background info, it's WEIRD for it to be said to the listener when the subject of the sentence is right there, since the listener isn't the intended recipient of the message, the subject of the sentence is.
But maybe that's the purpose of the message, to showcase that this character IS very weird, stilted, and bizarrely exhibitionistic about their sex partner. But if not, the line would flow better as a background lore dump if it had less purple prose: "Naeva's ambitious, no matter the subject, one of her best traits.".
Of course, if the speaker is some crazed bard fresh from bard school, then yeah, purple prose it up. But I have a feeling they aren't. But if they are, it should be even MORE prosey: "She's got a fire in her. The kind you only see in an engine pushed to its limit. The oil burns brightest in that midnight gloom, my one true shining sparkle in the void of space. I wrote a country-western song about her, want to hear it?"
I get none of that from the brief dialog examples we are given.
In fact, all the outrage in this thread seems to stem from the wording of the title.
Which again, I get none of from the examples provided.
Here is a semi legitimate thread about pronouns you can participate in.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17r9DoEs6T/youtuber-breakdown-over-pronouns/c/
But it's mostly just a you tubers need to generate clickbait by singling out a straw man.