"Because he hated the jews" is absolutely a critical aspect of why he did what he did (which was murder millions of them
Any forum with absolute free speech, that doesn't censor this discussion, has had robust debate about this topic, and many people have presented extremely compelling evidence that this isn't what happened, and that it was physically impossible for the Germans to do. This is one of the central ways for how most of were convinced, how we began to reject the lies surrounding WW2, and realizing how thoroughly propagandized our society is.
and many people have presented extremely compelling evidence that this isn't what happened, and that it was physically impossible for the Germans to do.
Total fucking nonsense.
First of all, the Germans managed to kill twenty million Russians, and that was predominantly through regular warfare. Russians exterminated over a hundred thousand Poles in about a year through traditional execution methods. The Khmer Rouge managed to exterminate 20% of their own population in 5 years. The NatSoc atrocities in Greece and Crete demonstrate the capacity for wanton murder and intentional starvation, and that's still not really part of the Holocaust. Those are just other mass killings.
The idea that the Germans simply weren't capable of killing millions of a specific demographic in their own territories (while actively murdering other demographics anyways) is asinine and darkly comical.
Mass executions of jews were more than entirely doable, the unique part of the holocaust was that it was the capital investment of murder as if it were a commodity. A factory of death is not a misnomer, it's not easy to just kill many hundreds of people and dispose of the bodies in a timely manner. The NatSocs mentioned in their own documents that the work of mass executions just through bullets was rather difficult and demoralizing work, especially as time went on. Making it possible for fewer people to kill more in an efficient way was a the goal. One of the benefits of the Sonderkommando system in the extermination camps was that they would be the ones handling most of the bodies, and so would endure the brunt of the psychological damage... then they too would be executed after a few weeks, keeping the demoralization of the NatSoc troops to a minimum. These notes where actually what led to the Milgram experiment on deference to authority.
Again, it is only at this point that we go back to "compelling evidence". The evidence we have is from the bodies, the mass graves, the witnesses, the logistical records, and importantly: the confessions! If they write what they are doing in their own handwriting and admit to it, that's a pretty good indicator they did it. The best evidence from Holocaust Deniers is "hurr durr wooden doors" and "hurr durr it's an Olympic sized swimming pool". Fuck off, we both know this is a lie. Even "Holocaust Skeptics" have to come to the eventual conclusion that "all the records of passengers stop in specific places, and then they never seem to be deported anywhere else". Even David Irving, as much of a liar as he is, admits that Dachau was absolutely an extermination camp. Turns out that a camp that's barely a couple acres can't just store a hundred thousand people in it without overcrowding.
Holocaust Denial is the only "conspiracy theory" that I've ever seen built entirely out of motivated reasoning. All others have an autistic focus on detail that they don't understand or confuse themselves with. Holocaust Denial is about being proud of ignorance publicly, while demanding the atrocities privately. "It didn't happen but it should have"
I can disprove the Holocaust narrative with just a calculator. Take the number of crematoria the Nazis had, the amount of time and fuel it takes to cremate one body (even using the lower numbers for the more advanced and efficient modern crematoria), and calculate how many people the Nazis could cremate within the given time frame they had. It's physically, temporarily, and thermodynamically impossible for the Nazis to have done what is claimed. I can break this down, very specifically, if you want. Just ask.
The official Holocaust narrative is that most of the deaths in the concentration camps were due to gassing, and that the Nazis cremated the bodies. It's also claimed that the Nazis, in full retreat, to hide their "war crimes", dug up the people they previously killed, and put them in crematoria, to "burn" the bodies, to "hide the evidence". It's also claimed the Nazis did most of these killings, while in a multi front war, with strained supply lines, using railways heavily damaged due to Allied attacks, while short on fuel and manpower (remember the Battle of the Bulge?), and in retreat during the latter stages of the war.
The mass graves found don't account for the claimed number of dead.
There are mass graves, counting in the hundreds of thousands, but that was due to the heavy conflict from the war. Even "Holocaust deniers" like myself still claim that roughly 250,000 people died in the camps, but that's mostly attributed to starvation (from broken supply lines) and typhus outbreaks due to lice, which is what Zyklon B is actually used for (fumigating clothing to kill lice).
Furthermore, actual experts in execution methods have examined the Nazi "death camps", and said they couldn't do what is claimed. Look at actual execution gas chambers. They don't use wooden doors. They also don't use Zyklon B, which has problems reaching deadly inhalation levels within the air, especially when it's cold, like it is during European winters.
On top of this, the camps had hospitals, swimming pools, maternity wards, and other non-essential buildings and activities. If the Nazis were exterminating jews and other undesirables, why would they give them all of these things, and not just kill them outright? It makes zero sense. It makes much more sense that they were labor camps, especially since the Nazis were short on manpower in the latter stages of the war.
There are also tons and tons of lies many jews have told about the Holocaust, either for clout, to push the narrative, and/or to get reparations. Thus far, Germany has paid 80 billion Euros worth of Holocaust reparations. Quite a lucrative business, but this is assuming a motive purely on greed. When fully analyzed, greed doesn't explain everything. Such lies include "masturbation machines" used to kill young jewish boys (fake), rollercoasters of death that fling helpless passengers into a pit of fire (fake), making jews into lampshades and soap (fake), giant electric chairs that could electrocute dozens of people at once (fake), open fire pits to "cremate" the dead (this is physically impossible to do), bodies used to fuel fires to burn more bodies (this doesn't happen, it takes fuel to burn a body, and a controlled enclosed environment to create the necessary pressures and temperatures to properly cremate), Anne Frank's journal (fake), etc. Furthermore, the "admissions" of Nazis after the war was due to extreme torture, and many of the admissions were written in languages the German POWs couldn't speak. In one instance, of all the German POWs examined, all but 2 had their genitals mutilated beyond repair. The Nuremburg trials also threw out common legal chain of custody rules, so the Allied accusers could say anything they wanted, present any evidence they wanted, even if it was fake. The documents you're citing are pretty much all fake.
It gets even more ridiculous because the official Holocaust historians claim that intact bones weren't found because the Nazis had numerous bone crushing machines. Most people don't know this, but cremating a body leaves the bones intact. However, not a single bone crushing machine has ever been found.
This is all just icing on a very sick cake, however, because nothing refutes the mathematics of the Nazis being incapable of cremating the number of dead that is claimed. I don't care what else is said. Nothing else refutes this fact.
It's not like this is a bridge too far, either. We all know by now that the people in power lie about everything. Why wouldn't they lie about WW2 or other history? They have every motivation to do so. It's why there are so many WW2 propaganda pieces put out every year (movies, TV shows, video games), portraying Nazis as evil, to reinforce the propaganda we were taught in school about WW2. Propaganda is only effective if its constantly reaffirmed, otherwise people break the conditioning. Fortunately, due to the internet and actual free speech sites, more people are breaking the conditioning anyway.
I can disprove the Holocaust narrative with just a calculator. Take the number of crematoria the Nazis had, the amount of time and fuel it takes to cremate one body (even using the lower numbers for the more advanced and efficient modern crematoria), and calculate how many people the Nazis could cremate within the given time frame they had. It's physically and thermodynamically impossible for the Nazis to have done what is claimed. I can break this down, very specifically, if you want. Just ask.
Oh my god, another one. That makes two of you unmitigated fucking retards that doesn't understand that there's more than one death camp, and more than one method of execution, and more than one way of disposing of corpses. How the fuck any of you can say "you learned about the Holocaust all the time", while never managing to learn anything about the Holocaust besides one number, one camp, and one method is beyond me.
What's even stupider is that you managed to make the exact same mistake that Soviets made when calculating the deaths at Autchwitz that put their number 4 times higher than reality.
You can't deboonk the holocaust because you literally don't know anything about it.
This includes your insane comments about rollercoasters. What you don't realize (because you've never looked into the holocaust) is that the only people who have ever said anything about that shit are Holocaust Deniers. No legitimate source has ever mentioned any of that shit. Actually atrocities like removing gold fillings, stealing all jewelry, forced prostitution, pressure chamber experiments, chemical experiments, random murders, and the mass executions are all verifiable.
It gets even more ridiculous because the official Holocaust historians claim that intact bones weren't found because the Nazis had numerous bone crushing machines. Most people don't know this, but cremating a body leaves the bones intact. However, not a single bone crushing machine has ever been found.
You know that bones don't typically cremate (at certain temperatures), but you don't know the literal thousands of bodies and skeletons that were dumped into mass graves, that the allies had to disinter and move with bulldozers? Apparently you actually believe that there's no bodies from the holocaust. Like I said, you literally do not know anything about the holocaust. You don't know enough about the holocaust to challenge it.
The documents you're citing are pretty much all fake.
I'm citing witnesses. I'm citing the accused. Hell most of the shit at Nuremburg wasn't so much related to the Holocaust as it was related to the start of the war. Again, this weird obsession with denying something that none of the NatSocs themselves ever denied. None of the people actually charged with crimes against humanity regarding the holocaust said, "you guys made this whole thing up, these camps don't even exist, there aren't bodies". They said: "I didn't commit those crimes, but I saw others doing it", or "I wasn't there", or "I did it because I was required to", or "I was just following orders." You would think some of the defendants would have rejected the claims. You don't know enough about Nuremburg to criticize it.
This is all just icing on a very sick cake, however, because nothing refutes the mathematics of the Nazis being incapable of cremating the number of dead that is claimed. I don't care what else is said. Nothing else refutes this fact.
Again, your ignorance of the event is a refutation of your calculation. You are more back-asswards on this than the people that said Kyle Rittenhouse shot 4 black people in a mass shooting in Kenosha. You literally do not understand enough of the basics of the event to accurately criticize it.
But there are actual Jews who went on record claiming to be Holocaust survivors who were actually just clout chasers or sympathy chasers. So it's.not stupid for someone to bring it up.
Or the constant beating of it into people's heads at a young age. I had three holocaust survivors speak to me at two different schools when in mid/HS. I've never had a survivor of communism, or an escape from east Germany, or a survivor of 9/11.
So that's super suspicious.
Another thing I've learned is that typically whatever is banned in the public sphere, is accurate. For example in 2020/2021 people weren't allowed to post on social media that hydroxy chloroquine worked against COVID. Or mention other alternatives like Ivermectin. Governors made it illegal for doctors to prescribe it as treatment even though off label treatment is super common like Ozempic for fucking weightless, which actually caused a shortage for people who supposedly actually need it to treat diabetes. But hey, off label is fine if it kills diabetics, so long as other people lose weight. And the Holocaust is at the tippy top of things you are not allowed to question. It's illegal in some countries. It's banned on many platforms. When people even try to discuss it they're shutdown rudely by people like you. The ADL tries to ruin your life. That's super suspicious.
The victims of death camps were primarily murdered by gassing, either in permanent installations constructed for this specific purpose, or by means of gas vans.
Like I said, the official Holocaust narrative is that most of the deaths were from gassing. The fact that you don't know this is quite odd. Also, killing someone in a poorly constructed room with Zyklon B pellets/crystals is insanely difficult, if not impossible.
The specific names of the death/extermination camps are Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek, and Auschwitz.
Chelmno
It's claimed 180,000 to 340,000 deaths were at Chelmno, which operated from December 8, 1941, to April 11, 1943. The Wiki page for Chelmno says:
The bodies were cremated on open air grids constructed of concrete slabs and rail tracks; pipes were used for air ducts, and long ash pans were built below the grid...To hide the evidence of the SS-committed war crimes, from 1943 onward, the Germans ordered the exhumation of all remains and burning of bodies in open-air cremation pits by a unit of Sonderkommando 1005...Eventually, the camp authorities bought a bone-crushing machine (Knochenmühle) from Schriever and Co. in Hamburg to speed up the process.
Oh look, the bone crushing machine lie.
As I've said previously, it's impossible to fully cremate human remains in open air. Full cremation requires pressures and temperatures that can only be reached in enclosed crematoria, which still leaves bones intact. There's flesh left over in open air pyres/cremations, it's not all ash and bone. The "official" Holocaust account still uses this lie. Yet, you claim to be ignorant of this.
A study conducted by Alunni, et al. examined the forensic science behind cremations on wooden pyres. The study concluded the average pyre does not completely destroy a human body effectively...remains being more charred rather than completely oxidized by high temperatures, are in anatomically correct positions, poor bone fragmentation
Lets look at India, that still performs lots of open air cremations. Here's a link from CNN:
a traditional pyre takes six hours and burns 500-600 kilograms of wood
That's just for one body, which isn't even fully cremated, and it requires 1,100-1,320 pounds of wood. I've also seen estimates for open air cremations that are even longer, just for one body. Do you have any idea how many trees would have to be cut down to fuel the open air pits to cremate the claimed number of dead? It would have deforested massive areas around the camps, especially in such a concentrated timeframe as is claimed the Nazis did these cremations. It also would result in even more ash leftovers from the burned wood, resulting in mountains of ash that couldn't just be swept away.
Lets say 1 million people were cremated in open air pits, requiring an average of 1,210 pounds of wood per person. That requires a total of 1,210,000,000 lbs of wood. Assuming only 1% of the initial wood weight is turned to ash (a very low estimate, as 6-10% is the accepted value), that leaves roughly 12,100,000 lbs of ash, just from the wood. Wood ash is also very light by volume, so that amount of wood ash would be absolutely massive by volume.
Belzec
It's claimed 430,000 and 500,000 jewish deaths were at Belzec, which operated from March 17, 1942 to the end of June, 1943. The Wiki page admits:
All corpses buried at Bełżec were secretly exhumed and then gradually cremated on long open-air pyres, part of the country-wide plan known as the Sonderaktion 1005....Bone fragments were pulverised and mixed with the ashes to hide the evidence of mass murder.
Again, they're trying to claim the Nazis did something that's physically and thermodynamically impossible, and that they used bone crushing machines which were never found.
Sobibor
It's claimed 170,000 to 250,000 deaths were at Sobibor, which operated from May ,1942 to October 14, 1943. The Wiki page admits:
The vast majority of prisoners were gassed within hours of arrival...After only a few months of operation, the wooden walls of the gas chambers had absorbed too much sweat, urine, blood, and excrement to be cleanable...the Nazis assembled a forest commando who worked there cutting timber for heat, cooking, as well as cremation pyres...after the killing in the gas chambers, the corpses were collected by Sonderkommandos and taken to mass graves or cremated in the open air.
This Wiki page admits to gassing as the main means of killing (which you deny), the use of wooden enclosed gas chambers (which is a hilarious lie), that they used wood to burn the bodies (they'd run out of forest before running out of bodies to cremate), and that they, again, used open air pyres to cremate the bodies. LOL.
Treblinka
It's claimed 700,000 and 900,000 jewish deaths were at Treblinka, which operated from July 23, 1942 and October 19, 1943. The Wiki page admits:
Jews were murdered in its gas chambers...they cut wood to fuel the cremation pits...bodies were exhumed in 1943 and cremated on large open-air pyres along with the bodies of new victims...The bodies were placed on rails over wood, splashed with petrol, and burned...crushed the remaining bones with mallets
Again, the same lies. You can't just "splash petrol" on a corpse and expect it to cremate in the open air.
Majdanek
It's claimed 78,000 to 360,000 deaths were at Majdanek, which operated from October 1, 1941 to July, 22 1944. The Wiki page admits:
Until June 1942, the bodies of those murdered at Majdanek were buried in mass graves (these were later exhumed and burned by the prisoners assigned to Sonderkommando 1005)...murdered with Zyklon B...From June 1942, the SS disposed of the bodies by burning them, either on pyres made from the chassis of old lorries or in a crematorium. The so-called First Crematorium had two ovens which were brought to Majdanek from the Sachsenhausen concentration camp. This facility stood in „Interfield I", the area between the first and the second fenced camp section; it is no longer in existence today...In autumn of 1943, the first crematorium at Majdanek was replaced by the New Crematorium. It was a T-shaped wooden building with five ovens.
Oh look, the Zyklon B lie again.
But, finally!, a "death camp" that used crematoriums (something that can actually cremate a body). So, from June, 1942 to autumn 1943 (lets assume November 1st), the camp had two ovens, and from autumn 1943 to July, 22 1944 it had 5 ovens. Lets use the cremation times for modern crematoria (giving as much leeway for the official account as possible), it takes roughly 2-3 hours to cremate a body (lets use 2 hours for even more leeway for the official account). Modern crematoria require a cooldown time between each body, to clean the oven, but lets assume these were magic crematoria, that didn't need to be cleaned or cooled off between each body.
The camp had 2 ovens for 518 days, and 5 ovens for 264 days. For the first 518 days, the camp could cremate 12,432 bodies (518days * 24hrs/day / 2hrs/cremation * 2ovens). For the last 264 days, the camp could cremate 15,840 bodies (264days * 24hrs/day / 2hrs/cremation * 5ovens). The total number of bodies the camp could cremate is 28,272. That number is far, far below the "official" claimed number of dead (78,000 to 360,000).
The official number of cremated is a lie. All it takes is simple math to disprove the lie, giving every leeway to the Nazis to break the laws of thermodynamics and time to cremate more than is possible.
Auschwitz
It's claimed 1,100,000 deaths were at Auschwitz, which operated from May, 1940 to January, 1945. The Wiki page admits:
Construction of crematorium I began at Auschwitz I at the end of June or beginning of July 1940...was in operation from August 1940 until July 1943, by which time the crematoria at Auschwitz II had taken over...By May 1942 three ovens had been installed in crematorium I, which together could burn 340 bodies in 24 hours...By June 1943 all four crematoria were operational, but crematorium I was not used after July 1943. This made the total daily capacity 4,416, although by loading three to five corpses at a time, the Sonderkommando were able to burn some 8,000 bodies a day. This maximum capacity was rarely needed; the average between 1942 and 1944 was 1,000 bodies burned every day...The first experimental gassing took place around August 1941, when Lagerführer Karl Fritzsch, at the instruction of Rudolf Höss, murdered a group of Soviet prisoners of war by throwing Zyklon B crystals into their basement cell in block 11 of Auschwitz I...The morgue was later converted to a gas chamber able to hold at least 700–800 people...Zyklon B was dropped into the room through slits in the ceiling...Any bits of bone that had not burned properly were ground down in wooden mortars.
LOL, they claim all of the bone remains were crushed using "wooden mortars". 1.1 million people's bones, ground to dust using mortars. Fucking LOL. The insanity of the official claims.
In any case, lets look at the numbers of cremated in the "official sources". In the above quote, it says the 3 ovens of crematoria I could cremate 340 bodies in 24 hours. That's impossible. 3 ovens * 24hrs / 2hrs/cremation = 36 bodies every 24 hours. To hell with the lies. The "official historians" overvalued the possible number of cremations by a factor of 9.44. Furthermore, you can't just pack in more than one body into a cremation oven. The ovens themselves are ridiculously small, wouldn't fit that many bodies, even starved bodies. You also can't just throw in more bodies into an oven and throw in more fuel, expecting to get the exact same cremation times for 1 body. The official claims are obvious lies.
Let's use this source on the number of ovens Auschwitz had:
In summer 1940 the SS took delivery of one double-muffle oven manufactured by the Topf company in Erfurt. Its official incineration capacity of over 100 corpses per day proved insufficient, and in fall 1940 the Auschwitz SS ordered a second double-muffle oven. A third (summer 1941) brought the official daily cremation capacity to 340 corpses....The 52 ovens built in the five crematoria of Auschwitz, with a total incineration capacity of 4,756 corpses per day, testify to the genocidal purpose of the Nazi state.
So, 52 ovens total for all give crematoria.
Lets use this source on when the various crematoria were active at Auschwitz:
Crematorium I operated from August 15, 1940 until July 1943...Crematorium II functioned from March 1943 through November 1944...Crematorium III functioned from June 1943 through November 1944...Crematorium IV functioned, with interruptions, from March 1943 until October 7, 1944...Crematorium V functioned, with interruptions, from April 1943 until January 1945
Crematoria I was operational for 1,079 days, crematoria II for 640 days, crematoria III for 548 days, crematoria IV for 586 days, and crematoria V for 671 days.
We know crematoria I had 3 ovens, but it's difficult to find accurate sources for how many ovens crematoria 2-5 had, so lets assume an average of 12.25 ([52-3]/4), which won't change the total number much given that crematoria 2-5 operated roughly the same number of days. Lets also assume, again, that these are magic ovens that can operate 24/7 without needing cleaning or cooling off, and all ovens were used from start to finish dates. So, crematoria I could cremate 38,844 bodies in 1079 days, crematoria II 94,080 bodies in 640 days, crematoria III 80,556 bodies in 548 days, crematoria IV 86,142 bodies in 586 days, and crematoria V 98,637 bodies in 671 days. That's a total of 398,259 bodies the Nazis could theoretically cremate. This number is woefully short of the claimed 1.1 million, and assumes heavily in favor of the official account.
Just to be clear on the situation of the latter parts of the war, lets use this source on why Nazi Germany lost:
Nor did Germany's commandeering of the economies of other European countries do much to redress the balance. The Germans' ruthless requisitioning of fuel, industrial facilities and labour from France and other countries reduced the economies of the subjugated parts of Europe to such a state that they were unable – and, with their workers becoming ever more refractory, unwilling – to contribute significantly to German war production...Above all, the Reich was short of fuel. Romania and Hungary supplied a large proportion of Germany's needs. But this was not enough to satisfy the appetite of the Wehrmacht's gas-guzzling tanks and fighter planes.
Germany lost because they were short on manpower, labor, resources, supplies, and fuel. They couldn't expend the fuel needed for the war effort on cremating bodies in their non existent "death camps". The above Wiki pages admit, in clear language, from "official sources", that the majority of the bodies were killed by gassing using Zyklon B (which is extremely difficult to do, if not impossible), cremated in ovens (that were seemingly operated by magic, using fuel the Nazis didn't have), or cremated in open air pits (which doesn't work for cremation), and they exhumed the bodies after death to "hide the evidence", during a time when the Nazis were on the backfoot, being beaten on every front and/or retreating, while short on fuel, manpower, labor, and supplies, with their railways and supply lines being attacked and broken. The notion that the Nazis were able to achieve what is claimed is absurdly ridiculous. Apparently their super evil gave them magical powers to overcome impossibilities.
Oh my god, another one. That makes two of you unmitigated fucking retards that doesn't understand that there's more than one death camp
I, and all other Holocaust "deniers", well understand the official position. We're well aware that the "official" Holocaust account says there was more than one death camp. We can disprove the numbers of dead under the official accounts in totality (adding up the crematoria of all death camps), or by individual "death" camps. Not sure why you think that I think there was only one camp.
and more than one method of execution, and more than one way of disposing of corpses.
Typical. Pro Holocaust narrative pushers never, ever, acknowledge that they have to perpetually change the "truth" of the events to account for holes in their theory. The official Holocaust narrative has always said the primary method of execution was gassing, and the primary way of body disposal was cremation. There's no getting around this. It's been beaten into the heads of every single Westerner since Holocaust propaganda became prevalent around the 70s (odd that it didn't start right after the discoveries of all those "death camps" at the latter parts of WW2, or right after WW2), it's been the primary messaging of the Holocaust, and taught in all Western schools. If you admit that your pet theory has to be continually adjusted, then you're tacitly suggesting that your theory is wrong.
You can't deboonk the holocaust because you literally don't know anything about it.
What a strange assertion, when I know more about your theory than you do, or more than you claim. You've already bought into the adjustments to the theory to prevent it from being completely debunked.
This includes your insane comments about rollercoasters. What you don't realize (because you've never looked into the holocaust) is that the only people who have ever said anything about that shit are Holocaust Deniers.
Wrong. Jews were the ones that made those ridiculous claims. Quotes, pictures, and sources have been posted tons all over the chans (pretty much the main free speech forums that were able to discuss this topic) for years and years.
No legitimate source has ever mentioned any of that shit.
LOL. Classic. Appeal to authority fallacy. "Only sources that say what I want are 'legitimate'". Double LOL.
Have you completely ignored the last 3 years of Covid lies? The governments, media, pharmaceutical and medical industries, all over the world, straight up lied to people, repeatedly, for years, leading to the deaths of thousands, or millions (hard to tell given how much they've censored, covered up, and lied about). You're actually suggesting that people are incapable of lying, in "official" sources, "legitimate" studies, "concrete" evidence. Triple LOL.
Actually atrocities like removing gold fillings, stealing all jewelry, forced prostitution, pressure chamber experiments, chemical experiments, random murders, and the mass executions are all verifiable.
Governments have never, ever lied. Governments have never, ever lied about their political opponents, wartime opponents, or created straw men caricatures of either, or conjured fake evidence to paint their opponents in negative light. Governments have never, ever lied to their own people, or used propaganda to get their people to think the way they want. Good lord you're dense.
but you don't know the literal thousands of bodies and skeletons that were dumped into mass graves
Hey, thanks for acknowledging that thousands of bodies were found, a number absurdly, drastically short of the claimed millions of dead. A tacit admission, but a welcome one. You're too dense to see it though, considering you thought that argument worked in your favor. Holocaust "deniers" already acknowledge that lots of people died in WW2. Big shocker! We already acknowledge that mass graves exist, but are accounted by the dead from the war, not from extermination camps.
I'm citing witnesses.
Witnesses that have been repeatedly caught lying. Furthermore, actual experts and witnesses that say things contrary to the official Holocaust narrative have been censored, attacked, and had their lives ruined. Why do you believe the "official" witnesses, but not the people who had their lives ruined? What about the expert leaders of the Allies (Eisenhower, Churchill, and de Gaulle) who wrote memoirs after WW2, and not one of them mentioned the Holocaust, the mass extermination of jews and other undesirables by the evil Nazis? Wouldn't those experts want to claim credit for defeating the evil Nazis and saving all the people they planned to exterminate? Weird. Are you not admitting your own bias, only wanting to believe people who support your position, but ignore everyone else?
I'm citing the accused.
You mean the Nazis that gave confessions under duress of torture? You mean the Nazis that wrote confessions in languages they couldn't speak? You mean the "evidence" that could be conjured up from thin air because all Western legal precedent for fair trials was thrown out the window at Nuremberg?
Again, your ignorance of the event is a refutation of your calculation. You are more back-asswards on this than the people that said Kyle Rittenhouse shot 4 black people in a mass shooting in Kenosha. You literally do not understand enough of the basics of the event to accurately criticize it.
Admit that you're afraid of even asking me to refute the numbers based on simple math, and we can move on. Or, have the courage to challenge your own theory by asking me to do it. I dare you. That, or tacitly admit that you're an intellectual coward, incapable of admitting you're wrong, or even challenging your own ideas and beliefs.
Any forum with absolute free speech, that doesn't censor this discussion, has had robust debate about this topic, and many people have presented extremely compelling evidence that this isn't what happened, and that it was physically impossible for the Germans to do. This is one of the central ways for how most of were convinced, how we began to reject the lies surrounding WW2, and realizing how thoroughly propagandized our society is.
Total fucking nonsense.
First of all, the Germans managed to kill twenty million Russians, and that was predominantly through regular warfare. Russians exterminated over a hundred thousand Poles in about a year through traditional execution methods. The Khmer Rouge managed to exterminate 20% of their own population in 5 years. The NatSoc atrocities in Greece and Crete demonstrate the capacity for wanton murder and intentional starvation, and that's still not really part of the Holocaust. Those are just other mass killings.
The idea that the Germans simply weren't capable of killing millions of a specific demographic in their own territories (while actively murdering other demographics anyways) is asinine and darkly comical.
Mass executions of jews were more than entirely doable, the unique part of the holocaust was that it was the capital investment of murder as if it were a commodity. A factory of death is not a misnomer, it's not easy to just kill many hundreds of people and dispose of the bodies in a timely manner. The NatSocs mentioned in their own documents that the work of mass executions just through bullets was rather difficult and demoralizing work, especially as time went on. Making it possible for fewer people to kill more in an efficient way was a the goal. One of the benefits of the Sonderkommando system in the extermination camps was that they would be the ones handling most of the bodies, and so would endure the brunt of the psychological damage... then they too would be executed after a few weeks, keeping the demoralization of the NatSoc troops to a minimum. These notes where actually what led to the Milgram experiment on deference to authority.
Again, it is only at this point that we go back to "compelling evidence". The evidence we have is from the bodies, the mass graves, the witnesses, the logistical records, and importantly: the confessions! If they write what they are doing in their own handwriting and admit to it, that's a pretty good indicator they did it. The best evidence from Holocaust Deniers is "hurr durr wooden doors" and "hurr durr it's an Olympic sized swimming pool". Fuck off, we both know this is a lie. Even "Holocaust Skeptics" have to come to the eventual conclusion that "all the records of passengers stop in specific places, and then they never seem to be deported anywhere else". Even David Irving, as much of a liar as he is, admits that Dachau was absolutely an extermination camp. Turns out that a camp that's barely a couple acres can't just store a hundred thousand people in it without overcrowding.
Holocaust Denial is the only "conspiracy theory" that I've ever seen built entirely out of motivated reasoning. All others have an autistic focus on detail that they don't understand or confuse themselves with. Holocaust Denial is about being proud of ignorance publicly, while demanding the atrocities privately. "It didn't happen but it should have"
Not even gonna bother reading this drivel anymore.
Yeah, he's one of the best writers on this board, but he's completely unhinged about this topic.
I can disprove the Holocaust narrative with just a calculator. Take the number of crematoria the Nazis had, the amount of time and fuel it takes to cremate one body (even using the lower numbers for the more advanced and efficient modern crematoria), and calculate how many people the Nazis could cremate within the given time frame they had. It's physically, temporarily, and thermodynamically impossible for the Nazis to have done what is claimed. I can break this down, very specifically, if you want. Just ask.
The official Holocaust narrative is that most of the deaths in the concentration camps were due to gassing, and that the Nazis cremated the bodies. It's also claimed that the Nazis, in full retreat, to hide their "war crimes", dug up the people they previously killed, and put them in crematoria, to "burn" the bodies, to "hide the evidence". It's also claimed the Nazis did most of these killings, while in a multi front war, with strained supply lines, using railways heavily damaged due to Allied attacks, while short on fuel and manpower (remember the Battle of the Bulge?), and in retreat during the latter stages of the war.
The mass graves found don't account for the claimed number of dead. There are mass graves, counting in the hundreds of thousands, but that was due to the heavy conflict from the war. Even "Holocaust deniers" like myself still claim that roughly 250,000 people died in the camps, but that's mostly attributed to starvation (from broken supply lines) and typhus outbreaks due to lice, which is what Zyklon B is actually used for (fumigating clothing to kill lice).
Furthermore, actual experts in execution methods have examined the Nazi "death camps", and said they couldn't do what is claimed. Look at actual execution gas chambers. They don't use wooden doors. They also don't use Zyklon B, which has problems reaching deadly inhalation levels within the air, especially when it's cold, like it is during European winters.
On top of this, the camps had hospitals, swimming pools, maternity wards, and other non-essential buildings and activities. If the Nazis were exterminating jews and other undesirables, why would they give them all of these things, and not just kill them outright? It makes zero sense. It makes much more sense that they were labor camps, especially since the Nazis were short on manpower in the latter stages of the war.
There are also tons and tons of lies many jews have told about the Holocaust, either for clout, to push the narrative, and/or to get reparations. Thus far, Germany has paid 80 billion Euros worth of Holocaust reparations. Quite a lucrative business, but this is assuming a motive purely on greed. When fully analyzed, greed doesn't explain everything. Such lies include "masturbation machines" used to kill young jewish boys (fake), rollercoasters of death that fling helpless passengers into a pit of fire (fake), making jews into lampshades and soap (fake), giant electric chairs that could electrocute dozens of people at once (fake), open fire pits to "cremate" the dead (this is physically impossible to do), bodies used to fuel fires to burn more bodies (this doesn't happen, it takes fuel to burn a body, and a controlled enclosed environment to create the necessary pressures and temperatures to properly cremate), Anne Frank's journal (fake), etc. Furthermore, the "admissions" of Nazis after the war was due to extreme torture, and many of the admissions were written in languages the German POWs couldn't speak. In one instance, of all the German POWs examined, all but 2 had their genitals mutilated beyond repair. The Nuremburg trials also threw out common legal chain of custody rules, so the Allied accusers could say anything they wanted, present any evidence they wanted, even if it was fake. The documents you're citing are pretty much all fake.
It gets even more ridiculous because the official Holocaust historians claim that intact bones weren't found because the Nazis had numerous bone crushing machines. Most people don't know this, but cremating a body leaves the bones intact. However, not a single bone crushing machine has ever been found.
This is all just icing on a very sick cake, however, because nothing refutes the mathematics of the Nazis being incapable of cremating the number of dead that is claimed. I don't care what else is said. Nothing else refutes this fact.
It's not like this is a bridge too far, either. We all know by now that the people in power lie about everything. Why wouldn't they lie about WW2 or other history? They have every motivation to do so. It's why there are so many WW2 propaganda pieces put out every year (movies, TV shows, video games), portraying Nazis as evil, to reinforce the propaganda we were taught in school about WW2. Propaganda is only effective if its constantly reaffirmed, otherwise people break the conditioning. Fortunately, due to the internet and actual free speech sites, more people are breaking the conditioning anyway.
Oh my god, another one. That makes two of you unmitigated fucking retards that doesn't understand that there's more than one death camp, and more than one method of execution, and more than one way of disposing of corpses. How the fuck any of you can say "you learned about the Holocaust all the time", while never managing to learn anything about the Holocaust besides one number, one camp, and one method is beyond me.
What's even stupider is that you managed to make the exact same mistake that Soviets made when calculating the deaths at Autchwitz that put their number 4 times higher than reality.
You can't deboonk the holocaust because you literally don't know anything about it.
This includes your insane comments about rollercoasters. What you don't realize (because you've never looked into the holocaust) is that the only people who have ever said anything about that shit are Holocaust Deniers. No legitimate source has ever mentioned any of that shit. Actually atrocities like removing gold fillings, stealing all jewelry, forced prostitution, pressure chamber experiments, chemical experiments, random murders, and the mass executions are all verifiable.
You know that bones don't typically cremate (at certain temperatures), but you don't know the literal thousands of bodies and skeletons that were dumped into mass graves, that the allies had to disinter and move with bulldozers? Apparently you actually believe that there's no bodies from the holocaust. Like I said, you literally do not know anything about the holocaust. You don't know enough about the holocaust to challenge it.
I'm citing witnesses. I'm citing the accused. Hell most of the shit at Nuremburg wasn't so much related to the Holocaust as it was related to the start of the war. Again, this weird obsession with denying something that none of the NatSocs themselves ever denied. None of the people actually charged with crimes against humanity regarding the holocaust said, "you guys made this whole thing up, these camps don't even exist, there aren't bodies". They said: "I didn't commit those crimes, but I saw others doing it", or "I wasn't there", or "I did it because I was required to", or "I was just following orders." You would think some of the defendants would have rejected the claims. You don't know enough about Nuremburg to criticize it.
Again, your ignorance of the event is a refutation of your calculation. You are more back-asswards on this than the people that said Kyle Rittenhouse shot 4 black people in a mass shooting in Kenosha. You literally do not understand enough of the basics of the event to accurately criticize it.
But there are actual Jews who went on record claiming to be Holocaust survivors who were actually just clout chasers or sympathy chasers. So it's.not stupid for someone to bring it up.
Or the constant beating of it into people's heads at a young age. I had three holocaust survivors speak to me at two different schools when in mid/HS. I've never had a survivor of communism, or an escape from east Germany, or a survivor of 9/11.
So that's super suspicious.
Another thing I've learned is that typically whatever is banned in the public sphere, is accurate. For example in 2020/2021 people weren't allowed to post on social media that hydroxy chloroquine worked against COVID. Or mention other alternatives like Ivermectin. Governors made it illegal for doctors to prescribe it as treatment even though off label treatment is super common like Ozempic for fucking weightless, which actually caused a shortage for people who supposedly actually need it to treat diabetes. But hey, off label is fine if it kills diabetics, so long as other people lose weight. And the Holocaust is at the tippy top of things you are not allowed to question. It's illegal in some countries. It's banned on many platforms. When people even try to discuss it they're shutdown rudely by people like you. The ADL tries to ruin your life. That's super suspicious.
Screw it. I'll do the math for you anyway. I'll break it down camp by camp.
Here's an excerpt from the Wiki page on Nazi extermination camps:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
Like I said, the official Holocaust narrative is that most of the deaths were from gassing. The fact that you don't know this is quite odd. Also, killing someone in a poorly constructed room with Zyklon B pellets/crystals is insanely difficult, if not impossible.
The specific names of the death/extermination camps are Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek, and Auschwitz.
Chelmno
It's claimed 180,000 to 340,000 deaths were at Chelmno, which operated from December 8, 1941, to April 11, 1943. The Wiki page for Chelmno says:
Oh look, the bone crushing machine lie.
As I've said previously, it's impossible to fully cremate human remains in open air. Full cremation requires pressures and temperatures that can only be reached in enclosed crematoria, which still leaves bones intact. There's flesh left over in open air pyres/cremations, it's not all ash and bone. The "official" Holocaust account still uses this lie. Yet, you claim to be ignorant of this.
Here's what Wikipedia says on open air pyres:
Lets look at India, that still performs lots of open air cremations. Here's a link from CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2011/09/12/world/asia/india-funeral-pyres-emissions/index.html
That's just for one body, which isn't even fully cremated, and it requires 1,100-1,320 pounds of wood. I've also seen estimates for open air cremations that are even longer, just for one body. Do you have any idea how many trees would have to be cut down to fuel the open air pits to cremate the claimed number of dead? It would have deforested massive areas around the camps, especially in such a concentrated timeframe as is claimed the Nazis did these cremations. It also would result in even more ash leftovers from the burned wood, resulting in mountains of ash that couldn't just be swept away.
Lets say 1 million people were cremated in open air pits, requiring an average of 1,210 pounds of wood per person. That requires a total of 1,210,000,000 lbs of wood. Assuming only 1% of the initial wood weight is turned to ash (a very low estimate, as 6-10% is the accepted value), that leaves roughly 12,100,000 lbs of ash, just from the wood. Wood ash is also very light by volume, so that amount of wood ash would be absolutely massive by volume.
Belzec
It's claimed 430,000 and 500,000 jewish deaths were at Belzec, which operated from March 17, 1942 to the end of June, 1943. The Wiki page admits:
Again, they're trying to claim the Nazis did something that's physically and thermodynamically impossible, and that they used bone crushing machines which were never found.
Sobibor
It's claimed 170,000 to 250,000 deaths were at Sobibor, which operated from May ,1942 to October 14, 1943. The Wiki page admits:
This Wiki page admits to gassing as the main means of killing (which you deny), the use of wooden enclosed gas chambers (which is a hilarious lie), that they used wood to burn the bodies (they'd run out of forest before running out of bodies to cremate), and that they, again, used open air pyres to cremate the bodies. LOL.
Treblinka
It's claimed 700,000 and 900,000 jewish deaths were at Treblinka, which operated from July 23, 1942 and October 19, 1943. The Wiki page admits:
Again, the same lies. You can't just "splash petrol" on a corpse and expect it to cremate in the open air.
Majdanek
It's claimed 78,000 to 360,000 deaths were at Majdanek, which operated from October 1, 1941 to July, 22 1944. The Wiki page admits:
Oh look, the Zyklon B lie again.
But, finally!, a "death camp" that used crematoriums (something that can actually cremate a body). So, from June, 1942 to autumn 1943 (lets assume November 1st), the camp had two ovens, and from autumn 1943 to July, 22 1944 it had 5 ovens. Lets use the cremation times for modern crematoria (giving as much leeway for the official account as possible), it takes roughly 2-3 hours to cremate a body (lets use 2 hours for even more leeway for the official account). Modern crematoria require a cooldown time between each body, to clean the oven, but lets assume these were magic crematoria, that didn't need to be cleaned or cooled off between each body.
The camp had 2 ovens for 518 days, and 5 ovens for 264 days. For the first 518 days, the camp could cremate 12,432 bodies (518days * 24hrs/day / 2hrs/cremation * 2ovens). For the last 264 days, the camp could cremate 15,840 bodies (264days * 24hrs/day / 2hrs/cremation * 5ovens). The total number of bodies the camp could cremate is 28,272. That number is far, far below the "official" claimed number of dead (78,000 to 360,000).
The official number of cremated is a lie. All it takes is simple math to disprove the lie, giving every leeway to the Nazis to break the laws of thermodynamics and time to cremate more than is possible.
Auschwitz
It's claimed 1,100,000 deaths were at Auschwitz, which operated from May, 1940 to January, 1945. The Wiki page admits:
LOL, they claim all of the bone remains were crushed using "wooden mortars". 1.1 million people's bones, ground to dust using mortars. Fucking LOL. The insanity of the official claims.
In any case, lets look at the numbers of cremated in the "official sources". In the above quote, it says the 3 ovens of crematoria I could cremate 340 bodies in 24 hours. That's impossible. 3 ovens * 24hrs / 2hrs/cremation = 36 bodies every 24 hours. To hell with the lies. The "official historians" overvalued the possible number of cremations by a factor of 9.44. Furthermore, you can't just pack in more than one body into a cremation oven. The ovens themselves are ridiculously small, wouldn't fit that many bodies, even starved bodies. You also can't just throw in more bodies into an oven and throw in more fuel, expecting to get the exact same cremation times for 1 body. The official claims are obvious lies.
Let's use this source on the number of ovens Auschwitz had:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/auschwitz
So, 52 ovens total for all give crematoria.
Lets use this source on when the various crematoria were active at Auschwitz:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/crematoria-and-gas-chambers-at-auschwitz-birkenau
Crematoria I was operational for 1,079 days, crematoria II for 640 days, crematoria III for 548 days, crematoria IV for 586 days, and crematoria V for 671 days.
We know crematoria I had 3 ovens, but it's difficult to find accurate sources for how many ovens crematoria 2-5 had, so lets assume an average of 12.25 ([52-3]/4), which won't change the total number much given that crematoria 2-5 operated roughly the same number of days. Lets also assume, again, that these are magic ovens that can operate 24/7 without needing cleaning or cooling off, and all ovens were used from start to finish dates. So, crematoria I could cremate 38,844 bodies in 1079 days, crematoria II 94,080 bodies in 640 days, crematoria III 80,556 bodies in 548 days, crematoria IV 86,142 bodies in 586 days, and crematoria V 98,637 bodies in 671 days. That's a total of 398,259 bodies the Nazis could theoretically cremate. This number is woefully short of the claimed 1.1 million, and assumes heavily in favor of the official account.
Just to be clear on the situation of the latter parts of the war, lets use this source on why Nazi Germany lost:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/08/hitler-germany-campaign-collapsed
Germany lost because they were short on manpower, labor, resources, supplies, and fuel. They couldn't expend the fuel needed for the war effort on cremating bodies in their non existent "death camps". The above Wiki pages admit, in clear language, from "official sources", that the majority of the bodies were killed by gassing using Zyklon B (which is extremely difficult to do, if not impossible), cremated in ovens (that were seemingly operated by magic, using fuel the Nazis didn't have), or cremated in open air pits (which doesn't work for cremation), and they exhumed the bodies after death to "hide the evidence", during a time when the Nazis were on the backfoot, being beaten on every front and/or retreating, while short on fuel, manpower, labor, and supplies, with their railways and supply lines being attacked and broken. The notion that the Nazis were able to achieve what is claimed is absurdly ridiculous. Apparently their super evil gave them magical powers to overcome impossibilities.
I, and all other Holocaust "deniers", well understand the official position. We're well aware that the "official" Holocaust account says there was more than one death camp. We can disprove the numbers of dead under the official accounts in totality (adding up the crematoria of all death camps), or by individual "death" camps. Not sure why you think that I think there was only one camp.
Typical. Pro Holocaust narrative pushers never, ever, acknowledge that they have to perpetually change the "truth" of the events to account for holes in their theory. The official Holocaust narrative has always said the primary method of execution was gassing, and the primary way of body disposal was cremation. There's no getting around this. It's been beaten into the heads of every single Westerner since Holocaust propaganda became prevalent around the 70s (odd that it didn't start right after the discoveries of all those "death camps" at the latter parts of WW2, or right after WW2), it's been the primary messaging of the Holocaust, and taught in all Western schools. If you admit that your pet theory has to be continually adjusted, then you're tacitly suggesting that your theory is wrong.
What a strange assertion, when I know more about your theory than you do, or more than you claim. You've already bought into the adjustments to the theory to prevent it from being completely debunked.
Wrong. Jews were the ones that made those ridiculous claims. Quotes, pictures, and sources have been posted tons all over the chans (pretty much the main free speech forums that were able to discuss this topic) for years and years.
LOL. Classic. Appeal to authority fallacy. "Only sources that say what I want are 'legitimate'". Double LOL.
Have you completely ignored the last 3 years of Covid lies? The governments, media, pharmaceutical and medical industries, all over the world, straight up lied to people, repeatedly, for years, leading to the deaths of thousands, or millions (hard to tell given how much they've censored, covered up, and lied about). You're actually suggesting that people are incapable of lying, in "official" sources, "legitimate" studies, "concrete" evidence. Triple LOL.
Governments have never, ever lied. Governments have never, ever lied about their political opponents, wartime opponents, or created straw men caricatures of either, or conjured fake evidence to paint their opponents in negative light. Governments have never, ever lied to their own people, or used propaganda to get their people to think the way they want. Good lord you're dense.
Hey, thanks for acknowledging that thousands of bodies were found, a number absurdly, drastically short of the claimed millions of dead. A tacit admission, but a welcome one. You're too dense to see it though, considering you thought that argument worked in your favor. Holocaust "deniers" already acknowledge that lots of people died in WW2. Big shocker! We already acknowledge that mass graves exist, but are accounted by the dead from the war, not from extermination camps.
Witnesses that have been repeatedly caught lying. Furthermore, actual experts and witnesses that say things contrary to the official Holocaust narrative have been censored, attacked, and had their lives ruined. Why do you believe the "official" witnesses, but not the people who had their lives ruined? What about the expert leaders of the Allies (Eisenhower, Churchill, and de Gaulle) who wrote memoirs after WW2, and not one of them mentioned the Holocaust, the mass extermination of jews and other undesirables by the evil Nazis? Wouldn't those experts want to claim credit for defeating the evil Nazis and saving all the people they planned to exterminate? Weird. Are you not admitting your own bias, only wanting to believe people who support your position, but ignore everyone else?
You mean the Nazis that gave confessions under duress of torture? You mean the Nazis that wrote confessions in languages they couldn't speak? You mean the "evidence" that could be conjured up from thin air because all Western legal precedent for fair trials was thrown out the window at Nuremberg?
Admit that you're afraid of even asking me to refute the numbers based on simple math, and we can move on. Or, have the courage to challenge your own theory by asking me to do it. I dare you. That, or tacitly admit that you're an intellectual coward, incapable of admitting you're wrong, or even challenging your own ideas and beliefs.