There's a reason all discussion of Hitler's motives ends at "because he hated the joos". Any average person, if a blind test was done, would most likely agree with him on a lot of things.
He was a pro-woman shill who thought the Jews were to blame for women not being valued enough. He did a speech on it, it's directly adjacent to Judeo-Patriarchy Theory.
He was basically like the sad cuckolds who are obsessed with silencing me here. "Waaaahhhh people aren't supporting women!"
"Because he hated the jews" is absolutely a critical aspect of why he did what he did (which was murder millions of them and plunge Europe into war). The jews were a bourgeois race, and so their extermination was a categorical imperative. He hated the jews as any Leftist would hate the bourgeois. We can talk about why he hated the jews additionally, but most of the time Leftists and NatSocs need to stop there because otherwise they'd have to admit his Socialism.
"Because he hated the jews" is absolutely a critical aspect of why he did what he did (which was murder millions of them
Any forum with absolute free speech, that doesn't censor this discussion, has had robust debate about this topic, and many people have presented extremely compelling evidence that this isn't what happened, and that it was physically impossible for the Germans to do. This is one of the central ways for how most of were convinced, how we began to reject the lies surrounding WW2, and realizing how thoroughly propagandized our society is.
and many people have presented extremely compelling evidence that this isn't what happened, and that it was physically impossible for the Germans to do.
Total fucking nonsense.
First of all, the Germans managed to kill twenty million Russians, and that was predominantly through regular warfare. Russians exterminated over a hundred thousand Poles in about a year through traditional execution methods. The Khmer Rouge managed to exterminate 20% of their own population in 5 years. The NatSoc atrocities in Greece and Crete demonstrate the capacity for wanton murder and intentional starvation, and that's still not really part of the Holocaust. Those are just other mass killings.
The idea that the Germans simply weren't capable of killing millions of a specific demographic in their own territories (while actively murdering other demographics anyways) is asinine and darkly comical.
Mass executions of jews were more than entirely doable, the unique part of the holocaust was that it was the capital investment of murder as if it were a commodity. A factory of death is not a misnomer, it's not easy to just kill many hundreds of people and dispose of the bodies in a timely manner. The NatSocs mentioned in their own documents that the work of mass executions just through bullets was rather difficult and demoralizing work, especially as time went on. Making it possible for fewer people to kill more in an efficient way was a the goal. One of the benefits of the Sonderkommando system in the extermination camps was that they would be the ones handling most of the bodies, and so would endure the brunt of the psychological damage... then they too would be executed after a few weeks, keeping the demoralization of the NatSoc troops to a minimum. These notes where actually what led to the Milgram experiment on deference to authority.
Again, it is only at this point that we go back to "compelling evidence". The evidence we have is from the bodies, the mass graves, the witnesses, the logistical records, and importantly: the confessions! If they write what they are doing in their own handwriting and admit to it, that's a pretty good indicator they did it. The best evidence from Holocaust Deniers is "hurr durr wooden doors" and "hurr durr it's an Olympic sized swimming pool". Fuck off, we both know this is a lie. Even "Holocaust Skeptics" have to come to the eventual conclusion that "all the records of passengers stop in specific places, and then they never seem to be deported anywhere else". Even David Irving, as much of a liar as he is, admits that Dachau was absolutely an extermination camp. Turns out that a camp that's barely a couple acres can't just store a hundred thousand people in it without overcrowding.
Holocaust Denial is the only "conspiracy theory" that I've ever seen built entirely out of motivated reasoning. All others have an autistic focus on detail that they don't understand or confuse themselves with. Holocaust Denial is about being proud of ignorance publicly, while demanding the atrocities privately. "It didn't happen but it should have"
I can disprove the Holocaust narrative with just a calculator. Take the number of crematoria the Nazis had, the amount of time and fuel it takes to cremate one body (even using the lower numbers for the more advanced and efficient modern crematoria), and calculate how many people the Nazis could cremate within the given time frame they had. It's physically, temporarily, and thermodynamically impossible for the Nazis to have done what is claimed. I can break this down, very specifically, if you want. Just ask.
The official Holocaust narrative is that most of the deaths in the concentration camps were due to gassing, and that the Nazis cremated the bodies. It's also claimed that the Nazis, in full retreat, to hide their "war crimes", dug up the people they previously killed, and put them in crematoria, to "burn" the bodies, to "hide the evidence". It's also claimed the Nazis did most of these killings, while in a multi front war, with strained supply lines, using railways heavily damaged due to Allied attacks, while short on fuel and manpower (remember the Battle of the Bulge?), and in retreat during the latter stages of the war.
The mass graves found don't account for the claimed number of dead.
There are mass graves, counting in the hundreds of thousands, but that was due to the heavy conflict from the war. Even "Holocaust deniers" like myself still claim that roughly 250,000 people died in the camps, but that's mostly attributed to starvation (from broken supply lines) and typhus outbreaks due to lice, which is what Zyklon B is actually used for (fumigating clothing to kill lice).
Furthermore, actual experts in execution methods have examined the Nazi "death camps", and said they couldn't do what is claimed. Look at actual execution gas chambers. They don't use wooden doors. They also don't use Zyklon B, which has problems reaching deadly inhalation levels within the air, especially when it's cold, like it is during European winters.
On top of this, the camps had hospitals, swimming pools, maternity wards, and other non-essential buildings and activities. If the Nazis were exterminating jews and other undesirables, why would they give them all of these things, and not just kill them outright? It makes zero sense. It makes much more sense that they were labor camps, especially since the Nazis were short on manpower in the latter stages of the war.
There are also tons and tons of lies many jews have told about the Holocaust, either for clout, to push the narrative, and/or to get reparations. Thus far, Germany has paid 80 billion Euros worth of Holocaust reparations. Quite a lucrative business, but this is assuming a motive purely on greed. When fully analyzed, greed doesn't explain everything. Such lies include "masturbation machines" used to kill young jewish boys (fake), rollercoasters of death that fling helpless passengers into a pit of fire (fake), making jews into lampshades and soap (fake), giant electric chairs that could electrocute dozens of people at once (fake), open fire pits to "cremate" the dead (this is physically impossible to do), bodies used to fuel fires to burn more bodies (this doesn't happen, it takes fuel to burn a body, and a controlled enclosed environment to create the necessary pressures and temperatures to properly cremate), Anne Frank's journal (fake), etc. Furthermore, the "admissions" of Nazis after the war was due to extreme torture, and many of the admissions were written in languages the German POWs couldn't speak. In one instance, of all the German POWs examined, all but 2 had their genitals mutilated beyond repair. The Nuremburg trials also threw out common legal chain of custody rules, so the Allied accusers could say anything they wanted, present any evidence they wanted, even if it was fake. The documents you're citing are pretty much all fake.
It gets even more ridiculous because the official Holocaust historians claim that intact bones weren't found because the Nazis had numerous bone crushing machines. Most people don't know this, but cremating a body leaves the bones intact. However, not a single bone crushing machine has ever been found.
This is all just icing on a very sick cake, however, because nothing refutes the mathematics of the Nazis being incapable of cremating the number of dead that is claimed. I don't care what else is said. Nothing else refutes this fact.
It's not like this is a bridge too far, either. We all know by now that the people in power lie about everything. Why wouldn't they lie about WW2 or other history? They have every motivation to do so. It's why there are so many WW2 propaganda pieces put out every year (movies, TV shows, video games), portraying Nazis as evil, to reinforce the propaganda we were taught in school about WW2. Propaganda is only effective if its constantly reaffirmed, otherwise people break the conditioning. Fortunately, due to the internet and actual free speech sites, more people are breaking the conditioning anyway.
24 downvotes suggest that a few people here probably think the Nazi "final solution to the Jewish question" was a good idea. All you need to do to gauge Hitler's jew-hatred is listen to a couple of his speeches lambasting and scapegoating them. Oh, there's the bit about concentration camps and gas chambers, too.
Every reasonable and literate person understands that Hitler was a human being and not some sort of super-villain. Efforts to make him supernatural have to do with the embarrassment of having to acknowledge his humanity and the fact that anyone is capable of committing atrocities, especially if you are several layers removed bureaucratically from the evil. You make a decree and leave Himmler and the SS to work out the details.
You also need to understand that in Mein Kampf Hitler was creating a PR portfolio for political purposes.
Hell, even Wolfenstein understood that he was human in their comical and crazed portrayals of him.
The dumbest shit here is that they know I'm fucking right. If they read Mien Kampf, then they know that I'm laying it out accurately. Some of them did, so in response, we can understand that their downvotes are performative garbage. I'd be upvoted if I said it was a good thing. There is no debating the facts, they just don't like having it shoved back in their face. Kinda like the way Goering didn't when he was shown footage of the death camps.
I think the doubt is more in the number.
6M Jews. Hmm.
As of today, there are what, 118K Jews in Germany, 6.3M Jews in ISRAEL, and 16M total Jews in the world?
Even in the US where they number the most 5.7M for a non Jewish state they are 1.7% of the population. Probably less.
And that's basically the same everywhere. Roughly 1% of any given country's population. A little more or less here or there. The population size of Germany pre WW2 is suspiciously hard to get reliable info on but roughly 60M. 1% of that would be 600,000. And we could extrapolate to France Poland etc. To be honest, I don't think there were 6M Jews to be found in Europe at the time.
There's a reason all discussion of Hitler's motives ends at "because he hated the joos". Any average person, if a blind test was done, would most likely agree with him on a lot of things.
He was a pro-woman shill who thought the Jews were to blame for women not being valued enough. He did a speech on it, it's directly adjacent to Judeo-Patriarchy Theory.
He was basically like the sad cuckolds who are obsessed with silencing me here. "Waaaahhhh people aren't supporting women!"
"Because he hated the jews" is absolutely a critical aspect of why he did what he did (which was murder millions of them and plunge Europe into war). The jews were a bourgeois race, and so their extermination was a categorical imperative. He hated the jews as any Leftist would hate the bourgeois. We can talk about why he hated the jews additionally, but most of the time Leftists and NatSocs need to stop there because otherwise they'd have to admit his Socialism.
Any forum with absolute free speech, that doesn't censor this discussion, has had robust debate about this topic, and many people have presented extremely compelling evidence that this isn't what happened, and that it was physically impossible for the Germans to do. This is one of the central ways for how most of were convinced, how we began to reject the lies surrounding WW2, and realizing how thoroughly propagandized our society is.
Total fucking nonsense.
First of all, the Germans managed to kill twenty million Russians, and that was predominantly through regular warfare. Russians exterminated over a hundred thousand Poles in about a year through traditional execution methods. The Khmer Rouge managed to exterminate 20% of their own population in 5 years. The NatSoc atrocities in Greece and Crete demonstrate the capacity for wanton murder and intentional starvation, and that's still not really part of the Holocaust. Those are just other mass killings.
The idea that the Germans simply weren't capable of killing millions of a specific demographic in their own territories (while actively murdering other demographics anyways) is asinine and darkly comical.
Mass executions of jews were more than entirely doable, the unique part of the holocaust was that it was the capital investment of murder as if it were a commodity. A factory of death is not a misnomer, it's not easy to just kill many hundreds of people and dispose of the bodies in a timely manner. The NatSocs mentioned in their own documents that the work of mass executions just through bullets was rather difficult and demoralizing work, especially as time went on. Making it possible for fewer people to kill more in an efficient way was a the goal. One of the benefits of the Sonderkommando system in the extermination camps was that they would be the ones handling most of the bodies, and so would endure the brunt of the psychological damage... then they too would be executed after a few weeks, keeping the demoralization of the NatSoc troops to a minimum. These notes where actually what led to the Milgram experiment on deference to authority.
Again, it is only at this point that we go back to "compelling evidence". The evidence we have is from the bodies, the mass graves, the witnesses, the logistical records, and importantly: the confessions! If they write what they are doing in their own handwriting and admit to it, that's a pretty good indicator they did it. The best evidence from Holocaust Deniers is "hurr durr wooden doors" and "hurr durr it's an Olympic sized swimming pool". Fuck off, we both know this is a lie. Even "Holocaust Skeptics" have to come to the eventual conclusion that "all the records of passengers stop in specific places, and then they never seem to be deported anywhere else". Even David Irving, as much of a liar as he is, admits that Dachau was absolutely an extermination camp. Turns out that a camp that's barely a couple acres can't just store a hundred thousand people in it without overcrowding.
Holocaust Denial is the only "conspiracy theory" that I've ever seen built entirely out of motivated reasoning. All others have an autistic focus on detail that they don't understand or confuse themselves with. Holocaust Denial is about being proud of ignorance publicly, while demanding the atrocities privately. "It didn't happen but it should have"
Not even gonna bother reading this drivel anymore.
I can disprove the Holocaust narrative with just a calculator. Take the number of crematoria the Nazis had, the amount of time and fuel it takes to cremate one body (even using the lower numbers for the more advanced and efficient modern crematoria), and calculate how many people the Nazis could cremate within the given time frame they had. It's physically, temporarily, and thermodynamically impossible for the Nazis to have done what is claimed. I can break this down, very specifically, if you want. Just ask.
The official Holocaust narrative is that most of the deaths in the concentration camps were due to gassing, and that the Nazis cremated the bodies. It's also claimed that the Nazis, in full retreat, to hide their "war crimes", dug up the people they previously killed, and put them in crematoria, to "burn" the bodies, to "hide the evidence". It's also claimed the Nazis did most of these killings, while in a multi front war, with strained supply lines, using railways heavily damaged due to Allied attacks, while short on fuel and manpower (remember the Battle of the Bulge?), and in retreat during the latter stages of the war.
The mass graves found don't account for the claimed number of dead. There are mass graves, counting in the hundreds of thousands, but that was due to the heavy conflict from the war. Even "Holocaust deniers" like myself still claim that roughly 250,000 people died in the camps, but that's mostly attributed to starvation (from broken supply lines) and typhus outbreaks due to lice, which is what Zyklon B is actually used for (fumigating clothing to kill lice).
Furthermore, actual experts in execution methods have examined the Nazi "death camps", and said they couldn't do what is claimed. Look at actual execution gas chambers. They don't use wooden doors. They also don't use Zyklon B, which has problems reaching deadly inhalation levels within the air, especially when it's cold, like it is during European winters.
On top of this, the camps had hospitals, swimming pools, maternity wards, and other non-essential buildings and activities. If the Nazis were exterminating jews and other undesirables, why would they give them all of these things, and not just kill them outright? It makes zero sense. It makes much more sense that they were labor camps, especially since the Nazis were short on manpower in the latter stages of the war.
There are also tons and tons of lies many jews have told about the Holocaust, either for clout, to push the narrative, and/or to get reparations. Thus far, Germany has paid 80 billion Euros worth of Holocaust reparations. Quite a lucrative business, but this is assuming a motive purely on greed. When fully analyzed, greed doesn't explain everything. Such lies include "masturbation machines" used to kill young jewish boys (fake), rollercoasters of death that fling helpless passengers into a pit of fire (fake), making jews into lampshades and soap (fake), giant electric chairs that could electrocute dozens of people at once (fake), open fire pits to "cremate" the dead (this is physically impossible to do), bodies used to fuel fires to burn more bodies (this doesn't happen, it takes fuel to burn a body, and a controlled enclosed environment to create the necessary pressures and temperatures to properly cremate), Anne Frank's journal (fake), etc. Furthermore, the "admissions" of Nazis after the war was due to extreme torture, and many of the admissions were written in languages the German POWs couldn't speak. In one instance, of all the German POWs examined, all but 2 had their genitals mutilated beyond repair. The Nuremburg trials also threw out common legal chain of custody rules, so the Allied accusers could say anything they wanted, present any evidence they wanted, even if it was fake. The documents you're citing are pretty much all fake.
It gets even more ridiculous because the official Holocaust historians claim that intact bones weren't found because the Nazis had numerous bone crushing machines. Most people don't know this, but cremating a body leaves the bones intact. However, not a single bone crushing machine has ever been found.
This is all just icing on a very sick cake, however, because nothing refutes the mathematics of the Nazis being incapable of cremating the number of dead that is claimed. I don't care what else is said. Nothing else refutes this fact.
It's not like this is a bridge too far, either. We all know by now that the people in power lie about everything. Why wouldn't they lie about WW2 or other history? They have every motivation to do so. It's why there are so many WW2 propaganda pieces put out every year (movies, TV shows, video games), portraying Nazis as evil, to reinforce the propaganda we were taught in school about WW2. Propaganda is only effective if its constantly reaffirmed, otherwise people break the conditioning. Fortunately, due to the internet and actual free speech sites, more people are breaking the conditioning anyway.
Best I can do is 250,000 Jews.
It's okay for you to be an idiot. Well, maybe not in Germany, but for me, it's okay for you to be an idiot.
24 downvotes suggest that a few people here probably think the Nazi "final solution to the Jewish question" was a good idea. All you need to do to gauge Hitler's jew-hatred is listen to a couple of his speeches lambasting and scapegoating them. Oh, there's the bit about concentration camps and gas chambers, too.
Every reasonable and literate person understands that Hitler was a human being and not some sort of super-villain. Efforts to make him supernatural have to do with the embarrassment of having to acknowledge his humanity and the fact that anyone is capable of committing atrocities, especially if you are several layers removed bureaucratically from the evil. You make a decree and leave Himmler and the SS to work out the details.
You also need to understand that in Mein Kampf Hitler was creating a PR portfolio for political purposes.
Hell, even Wolfenstein understood that he was human in their comical and crazed portrayals of him.
The dumbest shit here is that they know I'm fucking right. If they read Mien Kampf, then they know that I'm laying it out accurately. Some of them did, so in response, we can understand that their downvotes are performative garbage. I'd be upvoted if I said it was a good thing. There is no debating the facts, they just don't like having it shoved back in their face. Kinda like the way Goering didn't when he was shown footage of the death camps.
I think the doubt is more in the number. 6M Jews. Hmm.
As of today, there are what, 118K Jews in Germany, 6.3M Jews in ISRAEL, and 16M total Jews in the world?
Even in the US where they number the most 5.7M for a non Jewish state they are 1.7% of the population. Probably less.
And that's basically the same everywhere. Roughly 1% of any given country's population. A little more or less here or there. The population size of Germany pre WW2 is suspiciously hard to get reliable info on but roughly 60M. 1% of that would be 600,000. And we could extrapolate to France Poland etc. To be honest, I don't think there were 6M Jews to be found in Europe at the time.