This is actually something I find cringe because as much as I hate leftists and what they're doing to the games industry I have been beginning to hate the people who complain about them more and do nothing to better the situation or themselves and it's been rapidly pissing me off.
People don't like being told this but I'm somebody who has grown up amongst leftists most of my life RL and I was in the trenches so to speak with MRAs back in the day. If we're going to current thing this, it's 2023, this shit has been going on since 2016 and it's obvious that leftists aren't going to change their minds because they're scumbags and know they'll get away with it and normies don't care.
What exactly have any of these people done and why do they keep expecting that the developers will change their minds with how much money they're making especially from ESG pandering? I'm not going to sink myself down to their level and I'm going to hunker down with my projects and I'm trying to encourage people to do something different.
I mean the fact that people keep fucking giving money to these devs should tell you everything of where we're at, you get the devs you deserve as a customer.
If we're going to current thing this, it's 2023, this shit has been going on since 2016
Reminder that in 1974 Nixon was threatened with impeachment for trying to cover up a burglary, whereas the current President was VP in an administration that used government intelligence agencies to spy on an opposition party Presidential candidate, and cooked up Russiagate to cover it up.
Leftist bullshit has been going on as long as I've been alive, and I'm 52.
I agree with you that endless complaining solves nothing, I've made that argument before. I am tired of it, just as you are.
Yeah, I'm just thinking about it in the context of gaming, which you would never have normally thought would be something these demented boomer elites would have an interest in. However it seems anything media that can be used to influence young minds they want to have a stranglehold on. Possibly the thing though that pisses me off from the gaming perspective is how the younger generations and normies are being gaslit on incredibly basic things about gaming like genres and what they are. Which goes back to my extreme hatred of normies getting involved in gaming.
This is actually something I find cringe because as much as I hate leftists and what they're doing to the games industry I have been beginning to hate the people who complain about them more
This is your take on virtually every thread on this forum. You are constantly complaining about right wingers and anti-sjws. You slide almost every topic in this exact same way. “Leftists are obviously terrible, but I’m really starting to be annoyed by <insert people who oppose leftism>, amirite guys?” It’s pathetic.
Just because someone's name references the mythological river that lost souls drink from in order to forget everything that is actually important to them, doesn't mean they are here to make lost souls distracted from important topics! I mean, "since 2016", oh my! That's a long time to be in the "Trenches" and lord it over us! We've all only been here since Gamergate, which was... Oh, 2014. Two years earlier than this "veteran". Hmm...
Well, I tried. Seems I just made the situation look worse, amazing that.
I have been beginning to hate the people who complain about them more and do nothing to better the situation or themselves and it's been rapidly pissing me off.
I mean, you see this as a "movement" whereas for most of these guys its their job. I doubt you go around fixing your entire company's issues for free on your job.
Like, I hate the endless whine as much as any and its had me unsub from most of them, but at some point it ceases to be a passion project of justice to them and becomes "I need to get this many minutes of angry footage in per video and pump out at least 2 videos a day to keep my income stable."
If it's his job, he's not doing it "for free." He's just doing an incredibly shitty job. Guys like this aren't worth defending anyways. He's practically advertising for Bethesda, and his sperge out is better propaganda for leftists than it is for us. There is absolutely no benefit to having him around.
Its also not your job to fix broken floor tiles at your workplace. Heck for most disgruntled enough people they don't even fix things that actively effect their job, they simply let it blow up in their management's faces. Its very rarely your job to do things outside of the narrow scope of what your contract mandates, and I'd bet no one here goes above and beyond those scopes either.
I don't find him worth defending or having around either. I simply find the "get off your ass and do something" criticism to be just as cliched and boring when people treat it as some divine revelation they are just discovering.
That's exactly it and I've made a thread on this but you see this with the political commentators a lot now. I always put the qualifier in of I don't hate these people for real or anything, but it's why I often view them as bad if not sometimes worse than leftists now with how they behave.
When it comes to the content creation, the smart ones like Count Dankula have branched out. Even the lotus eaters guys are rightly having some introspection moments and I do respect them for that, then though on their podcast material they go straight back to their old ways and refuse to change. We can't be supporting people who do the same shit constantly. I mean, the customers aren't really that much different. Even on this site you had someone trying to cheer on Hogwarts Legacy for fuck's sake as if supporting TERFs over troons is an achievement. It's still going to be load of diversity bullshit, just a different flavour of it that doesn't involve trannies.
I often view them as bad if not sometimes worse than leftists now
See. You can’t help yourself. You could just criticize them, but you are always side swiping right wingers or claiming that they’re maybe even worse than the leftists. It’s a huge tell.
but it's why I often view them as bad if not sometimes worse than leftists now with how they behave.
Why? Because instead of actually destroying things outright they are content to just sit back and be angry? The fuck kind of argument is that? How is anything being done there even a fraction as bad as literally chopping children's genitals off or letting people be murdered in chimpouts?
They are pathetic and impotent, but they are just that. Sad. They have no effect on the world at large and make no one's life worse by existing. Whereas Leftists are actively trying to rape and ruin everything around them, and that's a prerequisite for their belief system.
I always put the qualifier in of I don't hate these people for real or anything, but it's why I often view them as bad if not sometimes worse than leftists now with how they behave.
I typically agree with a lot of what you say, but this here just misses the mark by a wide margin and I'll explain why...
With people who incessantly complain about things but don't enact change, they're effectively shouting into a void. It doesn't do anything. It's frustrating that they have a platform where they're essentially preaching to the choir, but it doesn't affect anything. That in itself is frustrating, but it's not inducing any malleable changes to the infrastructure on a sociopolitical or cultural level.
The opposite side of the factor is much worse for the simple fact that it cannot be ignored.
I can ignore a talking head on YouTube screaming about pronouns or a tranny character that they won't do anything about, nor encourage their fandom to do anything about (such as write letters to the companies, buy competing products, or at least try to stage a boycott).
But what I can't do is ignore everything coming from the Left that affects our society and culture. For example, a favourite TV show being turned woke is not something you can simply ignore and keep watching without supporting the wokeness, you have to stop watching the show. A movie franchise being used for subversion tactics means you have to give up watching and/or supporting those movies. Comic books and literature being used as platforms to brainwash readers means you have to stop reading those books or literature. And games being turned into vehicles for Left-wing propaganda means you have to stop playing those games and/or supporting the companies who make those games.
In effect, the people who complain but do nothing are just that, impotent ragers who can be ignored. But the people who are spearheading these changes and actually affecting culture as a result cannot be ignored, because your only option is to then either stop engaging in culture, or try to find an alternative culture to engage in.
And whilst creating a counter-culture revolution is always a possibility, you have to keep in mind that majority of people are not revolutionary creative types. Most people are of the proletariat variety who just want to work, eat, sleep, and be on about their day.
TL;DR: People who complain about wokeness in media don't affect anything. People who are turning the media woke are affecting everything.
I don't consume or enjoy spergy content like that, but I am still glad it's around. He's obviously not going to convince any major devs directly to change their ways, but he does help rile up a rabble to go publicly fling shit at the practice of shoving gender ideology into all games and other media.
One of the bigger barriers to meaningful action has been the exploitation of the inertia of politeness to create the impression that dissenters are a small minority. It makes smart people want to keep their heads down rather than join a losing battle. Whilst it's proven very effective for SJ pushing intellectuals to have emotional, easily-led, belligerent footsoldiers on tap to indirectly threaten their opposition with, whilst publicly disavowing their actions.
The upwelling of angry, antagonistic public responses to an industry-standard level of current
year gender bullshit, race baiting and girlbossing in starfield is refreshing. And it's maybe an indication that the commentators actually have done something about their issues of complaint, by slowly emboldening their audience to be as loud and angry as them out in the wild and overwhelming the curated impression that most people are ok with it.
Sure, they don't often make the smartest points, and some of the rabble rousers are primarily in it for the grift. But I'm of the opinion that you'll never be free from grifters or easily led griftees, and the next best option is to have a healthy variety of grifters so they're all too busy undermining each other for any one camp to do serious harm. Like a healthy gut biome for the shit factory of internet commentary.
So I don't hate them. I'm glad they're around in fact, cringe notwithstanding.
This is actually something I find cringe because as much as I hate leftists and what they're doing to the games industry I have been beginning to hate the people who complain about them more and do nothing to better the situation or themselves and it's been rapidly pissing me off.
People don't like being told this but I'm somebody who has grown up amongst leftists most of my life RL and I was in the trenches so to speak with MRAs back in the day. If we're going to current thing this, it's 2023, this shit has been going on since 2016 and it's obvious that leftists aren't going to change their minds because they're scumbags and know they'll get away with it and normies don't care.
What exactly have any of these people done and why do they keep expecting that the developers will change their minds with how much money they're making especially from ESG pandering? I'm not going to sink myself down to their level and I'm going to hunker down with my projects and I'm trying to encourage people to do something different.
I mean the fact that people keep fucking giving money to these devs should tell you everything of where we're at, you get the devs you deserve as a customer.
Reminder that in 1974 Nixon was threatened with impeachment for trying to cover up a burglary, whereas the current President was VP in an administration that used government intelligence agencies to spy on an opposition party Presidential candidate, and cooked up Russiagate to cover it up.
Leftist bullshit has been going on as long as I've been alive, and I'm 52.
I agree with you that endless complaining solves nothing, I've made that argument before. I am tired of it, just as you are.
Yeah, I'm just thinking about it in the context of gaming, which you would never have normally thought would be something these demented boomer elites would have an interest in. However it seems anything media that can be used to influence young minds they want to have a stranglehold on. Possibly the thing though that pisses me off from the gaming perspective is how the younger generations and normies are being gaslit on incredibly basic things about gaming like genres and what they are. Which goes back to my extreme hatred of normies getting involved in gaming.
This is your take on virtually every thread on this forum. You are constantly complaining about right wingers and anti-sjws. You slide almost every topic in this exact same way. “Leftists are obviously terrible, but I’m really starting to be annoyed by <insert people who oppose leftism>, amirite guys?” It’s pathetic.
Just because someone's name references the mythological river that lost souls drink from in order to forget everything that is actually important to them, doesn't mean they are here to make lost souls distracted from important topics! I mean, "since 2016", oh my! That's a long time to be in the "Trenches" and lord it over us! We've all only been here since Gamergate, which was... Oh, 2014. Two years earlier than this "veteran". Hmm...
Well, I tried. Seems I just made the situation look worse, amazing that.
This guy's a streamer streaming playing the latest AAA game. Even if this is his honest opinion it's all performative.
"I just wanted a quiet evening to myself playing new game as a way to unwind...while broadcasting myself playing it to thousands of strangers."
I mean, you see this as a "movement" whereas for most of these guys its their job. I doubt you go around fixing your entire company's issues for free on your job.
Like, I hate the endless whine as much as any and its had me unsub from most of them, but at some point it ceases to be a passion project of justice to them and becomes "I need to get this many minutes of angry footage in per video and pump out at least 2 videos a day to keep my income stable."
If it's his job, he's not doing it "for free." He's just doing an incredibly shitty job. Guys like this aren't worth defending anyways. He's practically advertising for Bethesda, and his sperge out is better propaganda for leftists than it is for us. There is absolutely no benefit to having him around.
Its also not your job to fix broken floor tiles at your workplace. Heck for most disgruntled enough people they don't even fix things that actively effect their job, they simply let it blow up in their management's faces. Its very rarely your job to do things outside of the narrow scope of what your contract mandates, and I'd bet no one here goes above and beyond those scopes either.
I don't find him worth defending or having around either. I simply find the "get off your ass and do something" criticism to be just as cliched and boring when people treat it as some divine revelation they are just discovering.
That's exactly it and I've made a thread on this but you see this with the political commentators a lot now. I always put the qualifier in of I don't hate these people for real or anything, but it's why I often view them as bad if not sometimes worse than leftists now with how they behave.
When it comes to the content creation, the smart ones like Count Dankula have branched out. Even the lotus eaters guys are rightly having some introspection moments and I do respect them for that, then though on their podcast material they go straight back to their old ways and refuse to change. We can't be supporting people who do the same shit constantly. I mean, the customers aren't really that much different. Even on this site you had someone trying to cheer on Hogwarts Legacy for fuck's sake as if supporting TERFs over troons is an achievement. It's still going to be load of diversity bullshit, just a different flavour of it that doesn't involve trannies.
See. You can’t help yourself. You could just criticize them, but you are always side swiping right wingers or claiming that they’re maybe even worse than the leftists. It’s a huge tell.
Why? Because instead of actually destroying things outright they are content to just sit back and be angry? The fuck kind of argument is that? How is anything being done there even a fraction as bad as literally chopping children's genitals off or letting people be murdered in chimpouts?
They are pathetic and impotent, but they are just that. Sad. They have no effect on the world at large and make no one's life worse by existing. Whereas Leftists are actively trying to rape and ruin everything around them, and that's a prerequisite for their belief system.
I typically agree with a lot of what you say, but this here just misses the mark by a wide margin and I'll explain why...
With people who incessantly complain about things but don't enact change, they're effectively shouting into a void. It doesn't do anything. It's frustrating that they have a platform where they're essentially preaching to the choir, but it doesn't affect anything. That in itself is frustrating, but it's not inducing any malleable changes to the infrastructure on a sociopolitical or cultural level.
The opposite side of the factor is much worse for the simple fact that it cannot be ignored.
I can ignore a talking head on YouTube screaming about pronouns or a tranny character that they won't do anything about, nor encourage their fandom to do anything about (such as write letters to the companies, buy competing products, or at least try to stage a boycott).
But what I can't do is ignore everything coming from the Left that affects our society and culture. For example, a favourite TV show being turned woke is not something you can simply ignore and keep watching without supporting the wokeness, you have to stop watching the show. A movie franchise being used for subversion tactics means you have to give up watching and/or supporting those movies. Comic books and literature being used as platforms to brainwash readers means you have to stop reading those books or literature. And games being turned into vehicles for Left-wing propaganda means you have to stop playing those games and/or supporting the companies who make those games.
In effect, the people who complain but do nothing are just that, impotent ragers who can be ignored. But the people who are spearheading these changes and actually affecting culture as a result cannot be ignored, because your only option is to then either stop engaging in culture, or try to find an alternative culture to engage in.
And whilst creating a counter-culture revolution is always a possibility, you have to keep in mind that majority of people are not revolutionary creative types. Most people are of the proletariat variety who just want to work, eat, sleep, and be on about their day.
TL;DR: People who complain about wokeness in media don't affect anything. People who are turning the media woke are affecting everything.
I don't consume or enjoy spergy content like that, but I am still glad it's around. He's obviously not going to convince any major devs directly to change their ways, but he does help rile up a rabble to go publicly fling shit at the practice of shoving gender ideology into all games and other media.
One of the bigger barriers to meaningful action has been the exploitation of the inertia of politeness to create the impression that dissenters are a small minority. It makes smart people want to keep their heads down rather than join a losing battle. Whilst it's proven very effective for SJ pushing intellectuals to have emotional, easily-led, belligerent footsoldiers on tap to indirectly threaten their opposition with, whilst publicly disavowing their actions.
The upwelling of angry, antagonistic public responses to an industry-standard level of current year gender bullshit, race baiting and girlbossing in starfield is refreshing. And it's maybe an indication that the commentators actually have done something about their issues of complaint, by slowly emboldening their audience to be as loud and angry as them out in the wild and overwhelming the curated impression that most people are ok with it.
Sure, they don't often make the smartest points, and some of the rabble rousers are primarily in it for the grift. But I'm of the opinion that you'll never be free from grifters or easily led griftees, and the next best option is to have a healthy variety of grifters so they're all too busy undermining each other for any one camp to do serious harm. Like a healthy gut biome for the shit factory of internet commentary.
So I don't hate them. I'm glad they're around in fact, cringe notwithstanding.
This isn't about the Leftists. It's about normalizing the resistance to them which was never spoken about except in hushed terms by normies.
We have to meet most people where they are, and pull them over.
It's our job to pull them into something else that is affirmative. And we, specifically us on this forum, are not good at that.