In the wake of Trump’s motorcade driving through the Atlanta ghetto - in order to film a few black people cheering for a conservative - we’re once again seeing a bunch of conservative talking heads rehash the same tired bullshit about blacks waking up to the corruption and degeneracy of the left. These pundits are claiming that black support for Trump is now at 20% and climbing!
Nonsense. The reality is that we have a cottage industry of black content creators, influencers, and reactors who promote conservatism not for a black audience but rather for a white conservative audience. Because white conservatives are absolutely terrified of being labeled racist, so black creators are ready to cash in with content that serves that demographic.
Blacks are never going to support republicans.
They did support Republicans, and there's no reason they can't again. Many of you all were saying that it was physically impossible for any hispanic population (including white hispanics), to support Republicans at more than 30%. This, of course, wasn't true. Whether under Bush, Trump, or DeSantis. (There's a reason most of Border Patrol is latino) Hell, Lee Zeldin managed to get 80% of the vote in a primarily Hassidic jewish part of NYC. This is because (as I said at the time) those jews were being explicitly racially targeted by BLM, and religiously targeted by Bill DeBlasio ("Buy a Galil"). He didn't even-out a voting bloc, he flipped it entirely.
Your racialism completely blinds you to ethnic, cultural, religious, national origin, and geographic differences, and it is why you fail. Unfortunately, it's your fault for wanting to politically homogenize populations into specific racial-political categories.
You hate me because I'm Mr. Subverter. Fine, listen to the subversive point out that when a Feminist tells women to shut up about their rape for the sake of diversity, that is an avenue of attack to break up an intersectional coalition of the margins. When Hascidic jews are being told to shut up about their murders by machete wielding Race Communists, that's an avenue of attack. Behind the Black National Socialism's racial solidarity of "Blackness" is a writhing, teeming, tumult of "black" ethnicities that hate each other between American blacks, Caribbean blacks, West African blacks, and Somalis. Hell, "hispanic" isn't even fucking real; it's a political affiliation. These are all avenues of attack that the Leftists are desperately papering over, and that default-Leftists are too blinded by "universalism" to notice.
The black upper-middle-class intelligentsia are National Socialists, and the ghetto urbanites are nearly full on National Bolshevists, as Democratic control is relying on Criminalism and Anarcho-Tyranny. The blacks that Trump is winning are rural, property owning, and men. These are distinctions that are very valuable and exploitable against Leftist and Racialist coalitions.
I have been saying for years that's it's not impossible for Republicans to win over non-white voters. They're just going to have to be even more neglectful of their white voter base and more retarded and terrible than before. We're already seeing this develop. TPUSA holds Black Leadership Summits (none for whites, of course). Republicans have started to cuck on criminal justice by way of the First Step Act, Platinum Plan, etc. Instead of using Dems' past support of stopping crime to call them out for being soft now, Republicans now condemn them as racist for supporting anti-crime bills in 90s and use that to justify the GOP's cucking.
Here is how Republicans can further increase black support:
Orthodox Jews have a solid history of supporting Republicans. Why wouldn't they? Republicans take gentiles' money and send it to Israel and domestic ortho communities where they learn about the subhumaness of the gentile in their yeshivas (orthos suck up a ton of welfare gibs, by the way). The GOP censors criticisms of the Jewish Supremacist ethnostate and criminalizes boycotts of it. There is a lot of harm being done to gentiles for the benefit of Jews to keep these votes.
Even your example of the black criminal attacking Jews highlights the point I'm making about mutually exclusive, irreconcilable differences. Dems support soft-on-crime policies that lead to these attacks in order to retain support of black voters so they have trouble spinning both of those plates. Republicans can clean up by not cucking out on crime.
Your point about feminism doesn't translate well onto black support of Dems because the alternative to feminism isn't being pro-rape. Blacks overwhelmingly support welfare, social programs, abortion, and so forth. The alternative to Democrats requires blacks compromising on key policy positions like that which they won't do.
That's why the old "LBJ said 'nigger' routine" isn't winning them over. A more lucid and candid black Democrat would probably tell you something like, "LBJ might have called me a nigger, but dat check still comes every month. I might be a nigger, but at least I'm a nigger with money now!" A black voter like this intuitively understands the transactional nature of voting and politics. It doesn't matter if LBJ likes you. It matters if his policies benefit you.
There is this canard against White Nationalism that we only believe what we do because we don't understand other groups. That's not true. We are White Nationalists because we do understand them and understand that our interests clash with theirs in ways that, if they are reconcilable, no one is doing it right.
Damn this post is good!
If you want to be wrong about each point, sure.
The increase in the Latino vote for Trump was not because of any 'retardation' or 'terribleness', but probably because of good things, like not supporting rioting and looting.
Absolutely true. Even some people on places like this attack the 1994 crime bill, which was actually very good.
A lesson for all.
I don't see the clash. If you're a white nationalist, you should be strongly in favor of abortion, as abortion prevents a lot of black babies from being born. Soft criminal justice overwhelmingly hurts blacks. You could make an argument that 'social programs' have the interests of whites clash with those of blacks, because blacks would benefit disproportionately, but it's still rather tenuous.
The clash of interests is because of wealth transfers away from whites to non-whites. Social programs and welfare do that incidentally, but there are also explicit wealth transfers to blacks (and other non-whites) based at least in part on identity.
But as you say, that is merely incidental. It's a wealth transfer from the rich and high-income to those lower on the scale. So I don't think a poor white minds that Zuckerberg is taxed a bit higher to help him as well as some poor black.
On the other hand, he does mind when the elites try to benefit themselves while bashing him for 'white privilege'.
Which ones are you thinking of?
Abortion prevents a lot of white babies being born too. It allowed white women of childbearing age to be complete whores because it removed the one accountability mechanism that kept them bound to chilbearing.
The only thing that matters is the relative number. If 40% of black babies are aborted, compared to 5% of white babies, that should lead a white nationalist to support abortion (that is not the reason I support abortion though). At the very least, it's anything from settled that anti-abortion is in the interests of white nationalists.
You simply can't imagine that each member of each race is not set diametrically opposed to one another.
The welfare state programs are the result of the abolition of private property in black communities as well as the social immobility of those welfare states. There are black entrapanuers (may of them have moved into improving bad real estate and flipping houses), and that is a good wedge for that. Abandoning pro-life efforts wouldn't persuade anyone because black religious men are opposed to it, and black women are enthralled to it. Softening criminal justice hurts black people more than anyone else, it just helps the black intelligentsia who are in league with criminal gangs.
You're not going to win racialist blacks because they are ideologically captive to Democrats, and I'm not saying you should. I'm actually saying you, Arch, can't figure out what a non-racialist black would look like because I don't think you believe such a thing exists, or that any such people exist, anywhere.
Orthodox jews don't have a history of supporting Republicans at all, particularly not in New York City, which voted 80% Democrat until Lee Zeldin.
Democrats are not trying to retain black voters by being soft on crime, they are trying to maintain their control of black criminals and black intelligentsia to control black voters and suppress dissent through Anarcho-Tyranny.
A black racialist will take any white person's money for any reason, that is true. Again, the problem is that you can't imagine that there are non-racialist blacks (or non-racialist humans).
The canard against you National Socialists is the same canard against feminism: you don't understand your own proletariat, let alone your bourgeoise. You are potentially even more ignorant of whites than you are of blacks, and it is you are ideologically captive to your asserted intertemporal racial abstractions.
You need to convince black voters of the evils of crime and welfare, not me. So far, the GOP has failed miserably at doing so and doesn't seem to have any new cards up its sleeve.
Blacks are the most racialist people in the country. The GOP is not fighting against their racial attitude and instead is leaning into it, as I described above with idpol pandering.
Orthodox Jews have been trending Republican. Why?
With orthos as with blacks, we have a group with a strong in-group bias. The GOP once again leans into it. Anti-idpol is fake & gay. They only preach that to whites while supporting affinity groups, affirmative action, reparations, and even full on ethnostates for other groups.
You are once again preaching to the wrong audience. You need to convince the GOP - including your beloved Trump - that they should oppose idpol and racialism instead of their current strategy.
It's taken nearly a century to convince half of white people that welfare is bad, so that's not a surprise that it's a long game. As for crime being bad, most blacks already know crime is bad, it's just that every single institution they live under has rationalized it. "It's bad but..."
Crime.
Who the fuck is we? The two of us both know that whites don't have a strong in-group preference. I hope you're not outing yourself as a JIDF shill pushing counter-signaling. That would be both funny and sad.
Trump isn't pushing IdPol, but one of the reasons I'm fine with the Republican party burning to the ground is because the entirely of the establishment are far closer to your position on IdPol than you would like to admit. The vast and sweeping majority of voters are already anti-racialism, so there's nothing to preach to there. I don't need to convince almost any normies that racialism is bad. The establishment are pushing racialism harder than anyone's seen in 70 years, and that's where my fight is: condemning the establishment, and stopping people like you from doing their bidding.
Way to reveal your hand in trying to preempt the downvotes by acting like we are the problem. No, people hate you because you post essay rants acting like a Super Intellectual who understands everything and everyone else needs your lectures.
And now you've revealed that you enjoy being that contrarian, meaning that your position can no longer ever be assumed to be in good faith and not you simply trying to take the opposite position of everyone here to act smug.
I've often wondered on places like r-politics why people want to post in a place where there are 300 identical opinions, and then post what 299 other people have said already.
And here you suggest that 'everyone' holds one sort of opinion. While I don't go out of my way to be a contrarian, it's better to have someone take the opposite position of everyone even for the sake of being contrarian, than for all opinions to be identical. There's a reason Devil's Advocate is a thing. An excess of contrarianism is to be preferred to an excess of conformity. If nothing else, I want to see if people have valid grounds for believing what they do, and if they can actually defend their opinions, rather than relying on the fact that they live in an echochamber where their views will never be challenged.
Except, that isn't what he is doing. That's you projecting what you believe you are doing onto him. Clearly you can understand the difference between "I am playing devil's advocate to generate discussion" and "I disagree with everyone to feel smarter because I totes got them with my relentless gish gallop!"
As I said below in a further reply to him, the issue isn't what he is doing, its how he is going about trying to do it and it being so bad it actively drives people away from taking him or his discussion seriously. The point I am making there is that he inadvertently revealed that he both knows this and even revels in it.
Badly selling your side doesn't accomplish anything. It makes those who are entrenched feel even more so, those on the sideline side with your opponents more, and those on your side have to wade into the fray to pick up your slack only to get dogpiled by a fresh off victory mob. The "truth and facts" you think you are speaking literally get lost into the void, because you as the contrarian failed them.
Its the same as when I used to criticize you for your crusade against Stormfags, and how I criticize TheImp for hurting my own crusade against women.
That's just your imagining of someone else's thoughts and feelings.
Because he said that others regard him as a 'subverter'?
The point is not to persuade people, but to create discussion.
Racialists are the problem. I'm not sorry. If you are going to act as cultural and political suicide bombers to support both Leftist narratives and Leftist political objectives by doing permanent damage to the political right and the anti-establishment populist movements, then you are nothing but Uesfull Idiots at best; and as I've been forced to accept over time: an explicit ally to Leftist movements at worst. You call me a subverter because I want you to save your money, start a business, raise a family, and not get subsubed by the ideology of race politics. But, you fuckers will turn around and support Fuentes, Milo, and Kanye so long as it blows up the Trump campaign, and then offer your support to local Fed PsyOp: Patriot Front.
I can't even begin to be as subversive as you all.
Beyond that, I don't give a shit that you don't like discussions on a forum.
And I don't actually enjoy being a contrarian, I'm actually quite an agreeable person. The problem is that i've had to learn to be disagreeable from people who engage solely in bad faith from an ideology based entirely on motivated reasoning, and Leftist meta-narratives. I understand your position: "lynch the nignogs", but honestly: you're crazy people and you should be belittled and mocked for your mind-breaking hatred and stupidity.
But, I suppose it's actually okay to be lectured by retards for the billionth time how "the holocaust didn't even happen bro" and "blacks are just a jewish golem". Those lectures are apparently totes legit and everyone should hear them multiple times a day.
I can call you one because even when I want to agree with you, I see your charisma as so bad that you actively turn people away from your side by being insufferable. A problem with a lot of intellectuals and faux intellectuals, who think if they just say enough facts they just win people over by looking smarter and better versed.
It is interesting that when called on that though you devolve to TheImp levels of "everyone who disagrees with me is a X Supremacist trying to trick you! I'm the voice of reason in a maelstrom!"
I'll tell you like I tell him. People disagree or agree with these takes all the time, the common element in the response you get is you and how you present the idea you are attempting to sell.
Considering the amount of times you've accused me of acting in bad faith for posting my genuine opinions because you just didn't like them and needed some way to dismiss it, this entire paragraph of you acting like a weathered martyr genius falls flat, hombre.
I agree that this is a problem: telling the truth and presenting evidence doesn't often persuade people, but it does help to delegitimize liars and zealots.
Not sure what gave you the idea I was an intellectual though.
I know the ideological narrative when it's spit back at me. It's the same shit. If someone's arguing about how we should adopt the Labour Theory of Value to set prices for good, I know they are a Marxist. That's an accurate assessment. I don't need to wait hours for them to finally admit it, I can just point it out and call them on their bullshit. If you fall into that ideology, it's not my problem that you don't want to be associated with the label that comes with it. "I'm not a Communist, I just think that if we equitably re-distribute wealth to the proletariat, we'll stop the inevitable violence that stems from the dialectical materialism!" No, that's communism. I know that, the person saying it knows that, we all know that, they are just playing stupid.
I don't disagree (except for that sell part). The problem is that I have cogent counter-points to motivated reasoning that people actually accept. That is why I'm "subversive". I said something that counters the narrative successfully.
As for selling, I'm not trying to "sell" you on not being a racialist idiot. In the same way I don't try to "sell" people to not play in traffic. It's horribly self-destructive and you shouldn't do it, but I can't stop you if you insist. Now, when you start dragging people into traffic, or trying to convince other people to play in traffic with you, that's when I have to challenge the bullshit.
You didn't come in with genuine opinions any of the other times, and you explicitly said you didn't. That's your fault, not mine. You are being a bit better today, so I'll give you that.
The dirt isn’t magic, retard. The nation is the people, and the American nation is over.
Never said anything about magic dirt, fuckwit. The nation is the people. The American nation is alive and well, you just don't like it because it was always a Liberal Civic Nation. You're welcome to leave.
Not me. So I guess you’re talking to someone other than the author of this post. Pandering to Hispanics actually makes sense now because they are the ascendent voting demographic in America.
Yeah, I totally hate you because of the cool label you’ve given yourself. This shit is embarrassing lol
That’s because of illegals. They need to get sent back.
Riiiiiiiiiight. I'm just going to ignore the implication that they weren't an ascendent voting demographic in America since the Hart-Celler Act.
"Secret Jewish Subverter" is the label you motherfuckers gave me. I'm just going to keep harping on it to prove how stupid and motivated your reasoning is.
Blacks support whomever will give them free stuff & ignore their bad behavior.