In the wake of Trump’s motorcade driving through the Atlanta ghetto - in order to film a few black people cheering for a conservative - we’re once again seeing a bunch of conservative talking heads rehash the same tired bullshit about blacks waking up to the corruption and degeneracy of the left. These pundits are claiming that black support for Trump is now at 20% and climbing!
Nonsense. The reality is that we have a cottage industry of black content creators, influencers, and reactors who promote conservatism not for a black audience but rather for a white conservative audience. Because white conservatives are absolutely terrified of being labeled racist, so black creators are ready to cash in with content that serves that demographic.
Blacks are never going to support republicans.
Way to reveal your hand in trying to preempt the downvotes by acting like we are the problem. No, people hate you because you post essay rants acting like a Super Intellectual who understands everything and everyone else needs your lectures.
And now you've revealed that you enjoy being that contrarian, meaning that your position can no longer ever be assumed to be in good faith and not you simply trying to take the opposite position of everyone here to act smug.
I've often wondered on places like r-politics why people want to post in a place where there are 300 identical opinions, and then post what 299 other people have said already.
And here you suggest that 'everyone' holds one sort of opinion. While I don't go out of my way to be a contrarian, it's better to have someone take the opposite position of everyone even for the sake of being contrarian, than for all opinions to be identical. There's a reason Devil's Advocate is a thing. An excess of contrarianism is to be preferred to an excess of conformity. If nothing else, I want to see if people have valid grounds for believing what they do, and if they can actually defend their opinions, rather than relying on the fact that they live in an echochamber where their views will never be challenged.
Except, that isn't what he is doing. That's you projecting what you believe you are doing onto him. Clearly you can understand the difference between "I am playing devil's advocate to generate discussion" and "I disagree with everyone to feel smarter because I totes got them with my relentless gish gallop!"
As I said below in a further reply to him, the issue isn't what he is doing, its how he is going about trying to do it and it being so bad it actively drives people away from taking him or his discussion seriously. The point I am making there is that he inadvertently revealed that he both knows this and even revels in it.
Badly selling your side doesn't accomplish anything. It makes those who are entrenched feel even more so, those on the sideline side with your opponents more, and those on your side have to wade into the fray to pick up your slack only to get dogpiled by a fresh off victory mob. The "truth and facts" you think you are speaking literally get lost into the void, because you as the contrarian failed them.
Its the same as when I used to criticize you for your crusade against Stormfags, and how I criticize TheImp for hurting my own crusade against women.
That's just your imagining of someone else's thoughts and feelings.
Because he said that others regard him as a 'subverter'?
The point is not to persuade people, but to create discussion.
No, its turning his own bullshit back on him:
He assumes everyone's feelings and thoughts (its why he constantly accuses me of bad faith for merely not agreeing with him). In that very top comment he is assuming miles of things about everyone's politics and beliefs simply because they don't think Blacks are going to support Republicans.
Yes, because its a moment of revealing he isn't a retarded autist (like Imp) or even a stubborn mule like yourself. Its self awareness to know that his methodology is martyrdom, but he does it anyway. And because he does it constantly, he clearly must derive some joy from it.
This runs contrary to your point of "An excess of contrarianism is to be preferred to an excess of conformity."
Because all it does is make most people feel more valid in their beliefs. They don't have to successfully defend them well, or have principles, or anything else you claimed it accomplishes. They can just point and laugh at someone trying to combat them badly and feel more validated.
It straight up increases the conformity simply because they now all know who each other are, have a common enemy to point and laugh at, and can strengthen each other's arguments by leeching off what they see other's say. DrJester was a classic example of an extreme example of literally driving people to join arms with the antisemites because of how awful his "contrarian" takes were.
If you want to generate discussion that's fine. But most of the discussion will just make the echo chamber stronger unless you are sufficiently charismatic and persuasive enough to make people question and back down on points, or at the very least likeable enough that people won't just call you a fag and stop engaging with you in real discussion.
Racialists are the problem. I'm not sorry. If you are going to act as cultural and political suicide bombers to support both Leftist narratives and Leftist political objectives by doing permanent damage to the political right and the anti-establishment populist movements, then you are nothing but Uesfull Idiots at best; and as I've been forced to accept over time: an explicit ally to Leftist movements at worst. You call me a subverter because I want you to save your money, start a business, raise a family, and not get subsubed by the ideology of race politics. But, you fuckers will turn around and support Fuentes, Milo, and Kanye so long as it blows up the Trump campaign, and then offer your support to local Fed PsyOp: Patriot Front.
I can't even begin to be as subversive as you all.
Beyond that, I don't give a shit that you don't like discussions on a forum.
And I don't actually enjoy being a contrarian, I'm actually quite an agreeable person. The problem is that i've had to learn to be disagreeable from people who engage solely in bad faith from an ideology based entirely on motivated reasoning, and Leftist meta-narratives. I understand your position: "lynch the nignogs", but honestly: you're crazy people and you should be belittled and mocked for your mind-breaking hatred and stupidity.
But, I suppose it's actually okay to be lectured by retards for the billionth time how "the holocaust didn't even happen bro" and "blacks are just a jewish golem". Those lectures are apparently totes legit and everyone should hear them multiple times a day.
I can call you one because even when I want to agree with you, I see your charisma as so bad that you actively turn people away from your side by being insufferable. A problem with a lot of intellectuals and faux intellectuals, who think if they just say enough facts they just win people over by looking smarter and better versed.
It is interesting that when called on that though you devolve to TheImp levels of "everyone who disagrees with me is a X Supremacist trying to trick you! I'm the voice of reason in a maelstrom!"
I'll tell you like I tell him. People disagree or agree with these takes all the time, the common element in the response you get is you and how you present the idea you are attempting to sell.
Considering the amount of times you've accused me of acting in bad faith for posting my genuine opinions because you just didn't like them and needed some way to dismiss it, this entire paragraph of you acting like a weathered martyr genius falls flat, hombre.
I agree that this is a problem: telling the truth and presenting evidence doesn't often persuade people, but it does help to delegitimize liars and zealots.
Not sure what gave you the idea I was an intellectual though.
I know the ideological narrative when it's spit back at me. It's the same shit. If someone's arguing about how we should adopt the Labour Theory of Value to set prices for good, I know they are a Marxist. That's an accurate assessment. I don't need to wait hours for them to finally admit it, I can just point it out and call them on their bullshit. If you fall into that ideology, it's not my problem that you don't want to be associated with the label that comes with it. "I'm not a Communist, I just think that if we equitably re-distribute wealth to the proletariat, we'll stop the inevitable violence that stems from the dialectical materialism!" No, that's communism. I know that, the person saying it knows that, we all know that, they are just playing stupid.
I don't disagree (except for that sell part). The problem is that I have cogent counter-points to motivated reasoning that people actually accept. That is why I'm "subversive". I said something that counters the narrative successfully.
As for selling, I'm not trying to "sell" you on not being a racialist idiot. In the same way I don't try to "sell" people to not play in traffic. It's horribly self-destructive and you shouldn't do it, but I can't stop you if you insist. Now, when you start dragging people into traffic, or trying to convince other people to play in traffic with you, that's when I have to challenge the bullshit.
You didn't come in with genuine opinions any of the other times, and you explicitly said you didn't. That's your fault, not mine. You are being a bit better today, so I'll give you that.
Hey, you know what doesn't delegitimize anyone?
Making yourself the center of negative attention to the point where no one listens to anything you say, and leaving all your FACTS AND LOGIC useless babble into the void.
Of course, its all dogwhistles and "I knows it when I sees it!" Someone who has a slight observation of there maybe looking like a lot of Jews in Hollywood is just a Stormfag trying to trick you! Everyone is in on the ruse and moves in lockstep, so you can reject everyone who disagrees with you instantly and equally!
It is funny you say this after saying "I'm totes not trying to be an intellectual." Because " I don't need to wait hours for [you] to finally admit it, I can just point it out and call [you] on [your] bullshit."
Yes, you are so smart and effective and great and that's why people take issue with you. Do you even hear yourself? All you keep doing is saying "I'M RIGHT THAT'S WHY EVERYONE HATES ME I'M SMARTER THAN THEM AND THEY HATE IT!!!"
I don't recall doing anything of the sort. I do recall you saying that your interpretation of what I said is what I believe, and then saying I admitted to saying things and continuing to crow about me saying things I never said in a spiral to circle jerk how bad faith I was.
The dirt isn’t magic, retard. The nation is the people, and the American nation is over.
Never said anything about magic dirt, fuckwit. The nation is the people. The American nation is alive and well, you just don't like it because it was always a Liberal Civic Nation. You're welcome to leave.