Oil is actually fairly hard to burn. You need very precise mix or air, oil and heat. The popular movie thing of throwing a lit match into oil actually does nothing. Look up how pistons work in a car engine, it's very interesting, and the mechanics behind are impressive.
Secondly, it's fairly easy to empty a fuel car before transportation, if it was ever a problem, just re-fuel at the arrival. How do you transport an EV without its battery? Do you just buy a brand new battery on arrival which cost 60% of the price of the car? And you leave the old one behind to be disposed off in the garbage?
When was the last time an ICE vehicle caught fire due to salt water and couldn't be put out? Not hearing any stories about ICE spontaneously combusting, but these electric vehicles seem to get fiery far too often for my liking.
The statistic I've seen is 1.5% for ICE and 0.025% for electric per vehicle sold. Some of that will undoubtedly be due to the relative age of the two fleets, but there's a big problem with your data if you're looking at vehicles that burn 60 times less often and think they're burning more.
How much effort and resources does it take to put out an electric car that's on fire? How is that going to look when they try to force everyone to have electric with their "zero emissions" bullshit? You're not only ignoring that electric cars are far newer, but that they also burn far more severely. Would they have had to abandon ship if an ICE vehicle had somehow spontaneously burst into flames instead?
It'd be overall vehicle burn rate, including accidents and malfunctions, which seems fair since I doubt you'd give an electric vehicle fire a pass just because it had been in a crash.
It actually seems like a reasonable number. Just some napkin math, ~290 million vehicles in the US / average vehicle life of 20 years * 1.5% burn rate = ~217,500 vehicle fires per year which is very close to the actual number.
I have personally seen several vehicle fires, including an unattended car in a parking lot. I don't even drive that much. I don't know why you'd assume that pumping flammable liquid around at high pressure wouldn't result in a fire from time to time.
Conventional cars catch on fire so frequently that it's not worth reporting on. It's a dog bites man story. A casual google search showed me this report which claims 212,500 vehicle fires with 516 deaths in 2018 in the United States alone.
At one of my old jobs, a car caught on fire right outside my office window and it barely made the local news. I, personally, sitting in place, witnessed a vehicle fire from start to finish. That's how common they are. If you live anywhere densely populated, then there's probably more than one every single day in your local area.
Probably not very many because the fuel supply is transported separately from the vehicle. Which is probably what we should be doing with electric cars. Transport the hazardous component (batteries) on a separate ship to reduce the damage when incidents happen.
A comparable question might be "how often do oil tankers catch on fire?". I don't know the answer, but there have been at least two this year:
The numbers you're reporting don't specify what type of vehicles were on fire. You're going to have to get a little less casual if you want to find some numbers that actually mean anything.
One other thing I couldn't find in a casual skimming of that article is how many of those fires were due to accidents as opposed to spontaneous bursts of flame.
If data backing your claim was so easy to find, maybe you'd have given something that's actually meaningful to the discussion. And no, "vehicle fires happen all the time" is not a useful observation in the context of this discussion.
We should stick with oil, which never catches on fire.
Oil is actually fairly hard to burn. You need very precise mix or air, oil and heat. The popular movie thing of throwing a lit match into oil actually does nothing. Look up how pistons work in a car engine, it's very interesting, and the mechanics behind are impressive.
Secondly, it's fairly easy to empty a fuel car before transportation, if it was ever a problem, just re-fuel at the arrival. How do you transport an EV without its battery? Do you just buy a brand new battery on arrival which cost 60% of the price of the car? And you leave the old one behind to be disposed off in the garbage?
Exactly. Oil never catches on fire. It also never needs to be transported over the water.
When was the last time an ICE vehicle caught fire due to salt water and couldn't be put out? Not hearing any stories about ICE spontaneously combusting, but these electric vehicles seem to get fiery far too often for my liking.
The statistic I've seen is 1.5% for ICE and 0.025% for electric per vehicle sold. Some of that will undoubtedly be due to the relative age of the two fleets, but there's a big problem with your data if you're looking at vehicles that burn 60 times less often and think they're burning more.
How much effort and resources does it take to put out an electric car that's on fire? How is that going to look when they try to force everyone to have electric with their "zero emissions" bullshit? You're not only ignoring that electric cars are far newer, but that they also burn far more severely. Would they have had to abandon ship if an ICE vehicle had somehow spontaneously burst into flames instead?
Idiot.
1.5% means what? That 1.5% of ICE vehicles spontaneously combust? Is that the number you really want to go with?
It'd be overall vehicle burn rate, including accidents and malfunctions, which seems fair since I doubt you'd give an electric vehicle fire a pass just because it had been in a crash.
It actually seems like a reasonable number. Just some napkin math, ~290 million vehicles in the US / average vehicle life of 20 years * 1.5% burn rate = ~217,500 vehicle fires per year which is very close to the actual number.
I have personally seen several vehicle fires, including an unattended car in a parking lot. I don't even drive that much. I don't know why you'd assume that pumping flammable liquid around at high pressure wouldn't result in a fire from time to time.
Conventional cars catch on fire so frequently that it's not worth reporting on. It's a dog bites man story. A casual google search showed me this report which claims 212,500 vehicle fires with 516 deaths in 2018 in the United States alone.
At one of my old jobs, a car caught on fire right outside my office window and it barely made the local news. I, personally, sitting in place, witnessed a vehicle fire from start to finish. That's how common they are. If you live anywhere densely populated, then there's probably more than one every single day in your local area.
How many of those "conventional" vehicle fires happen on container ships during transport?
Probably not very many because the fuel supply is transported separately from the vehicle. Which is probably what we should be doing with electric cars. Transport the hazardous component (batteries) on a separate ship to reduce the damage when incidents happen.
A comparable question might be "how often do oil tankers catch on fire?". I don't know the answer, but there have been at least two this year:
January: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34ESUp6mdI
May: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/asia/malaysia-coast-oil-tanker-fire-rescue-intl-hnk/index.html
The numbers you're reporting don't specify what type of vehicles were on fire. You're going to have to get a little less casual if you want to find some numbers that actually mean anything.
One other thing I couldn't find in a casual skimming of that article is how many of those fires were due to accidents as opposed to spontaneous bursts of flame.
If data backing your claim was so easy to find, maybe you'd have given something that's actually meaningful to the discussion. And no, "vehicle fires happen all the time" is not a useful observation in the context of this discussion.
Make a prediction faggot. How many of those 212,500 vehicle fires were electric? Pick a number.
What percentage of that 212,500 do you think are from electric vehicles? Make a prediction, then I'll go look it up.