Yes it still really matters who the GOP nominee is.
Trump losing 2020 doesn't mean that anyone we nominate will automatically lose in 2024.
"Muh insurmountable election fraud" is one of the most annoying things I see from some of our guys on the right. It is a defeatist ideology. The goal is to win despite the obstacles, not resign yourself to losing.
Nominating someone like DeSantis who doesn't repulse educated right of center voters in places like Pheonix, AZ, DFW, Texas, Atlanta, GA or Waukesha, WI would help us greatly in winning past any margin of fraud in key states.
Trump performs absolutely terribly in even traditionally Republican suburbs in swing states.
Dems probably won't even need any mail in ballot shenanigans if Trump is the nominee again in 2024. Trump has also accrued so much more baggage since 2020. "Stop the steal" and J6 has only made many more voters hate him.
Nominating Trump again has the risk of Dems getting a tri-fecta and being able to abolish the filibuster, pack the Supreme Court, make DC and Puerto Rico into states and anything else they want.
We must strive to hold at least one branch of government, with DeSantis as the nominee, no fucking way Dems can hope to get a tri-fecta in 2024.
I know if you're on the online right you probably think it doesn't, but unfortunately the real world infuential right has bought the j6 narrative hook line and sinker.
Suburban voters unfortunately still care about it since in the 2022 midterms candidates affiliated or connected with J6 underperformed other candidates by a significant margin in suburban areas.
For evidence of this, look at both J.R. Majewski and Doug Mastriano's underperformance in even right leaning suburbs. Mastriano chartered buses for Trump supporters in PA to attend J6 in D.C. He got clobbered in the suburbs especially since his opponent Josh Shapiro made ads about Mastriano's involvement in J6.
J.R. Majewski attended J6 and his opponent Marcy Kaptur nailed him with ads. He lost by a sizable margin in a seat that was supposed to be a red trending seat.
Besides the J6 baggage, both Mastriano and Majewski were endorsed by Trump, were hardline pro-lifers and often talked about 2020 election being stolen.
Candidates that were hardcore pro-life struggled in the rust belt of WI, PA and MI so Mastriano was certainly hurt a bit by aspect stance on abortion running in PA.
Hardcore pro-lifers generally did well in Ohio so Majewski was probably not hurt by his stance on abortion.
Consider the fact that every GOP secretary of state candidate in a swing state who said the 2020 election was stole lost their race. The AZ, NV, MI and WI GOP SOS candidates all lost. Suburban voters don't like "Stop the Steal" rhetoric.
Constantly saying 2020 was stolen as a candidate and being connected to J6 is clearly not beneficial seeing as GOP candidates who did either or both of these two things in swing states clearly lost.
What do you think the total negative down-votes mean? i believe most here are thoroughly disillusioned with the US and its political system, so hoping a new President might turn the ship around is met with derision in the form of negative votes.
I still hold out some hope, so it's Trump, DeSantis, or RFK Jr. as the last chance, at least in principle.
Imagine if, by crook, Biden is re-elected, as I'm sure many cynics here might predict. What then?
Yes it still really matters who the GOP nominee is.
Trump losing 2020 doesn't mean that anyone we nominate will automatically lose in 2024.
"Muh insurmountable election fraud" is one of the most annoying things I see from some of our guys on the right. It is a defeatist ideology. The goal is to win despite the obstacles, not resign yourself to losing.
Nominating someone like DeSantis who doesn't repulse educated right of center voters in places like Pheonix, AZ, DFW, Texas, Atlanta, GA or Waukesha, WI would help us greatly in winning past any margin of fraud in key states.
Trump performs absolutely terribly in even traditionally Republican suburbs in swing states.
Dems probably won't even need any mail in ballot shenanigans if Trump is the nominee again in 2024. Trump has also accrued so much more baggage since 2020. "Stop the steal" and J6 has only made many more voters hate him.
Nominating Trump again has the risk of Dems getting a tri-fecta and being able to abolish the filibuster, pack the Supreme Court, make DC and Puerto Rico into states and anything else they want.
We must strive to hold at least one branch of government, with DeSantis as the nominee, no fucking way Dems can hope to get a tri-fecta in 2024.
Did j6 really have an impact outside of DNC circles?
I know if you're on the online right you probably think it doesn't, but unfortunately the real world infuential right has bought the j6 narrative hook line and sinker.
I live in a right leaning suburb in DFW and people here unfortunately believe the narrative fully.
They honestly will not vote for ANY candidate affiliated with J6 or stop the steal. Yes this includes Trump. They won't do it.
Suburban voters unfortunately still care about it since in the 2022 midterms candidates affiliated or connected with J6 underperformed other candidates by a significant margin in suburban areas.
For evidence of this, look at both J.R. Majewski and Doug Mastriano's underperformance in even right leaning suburbs. Mastriano chartered buses for Trump supporters in PA to attend J6 in D.C. He got clobbered in the suburbs especially since his opponent Josh Shapiro made ads about Mastriano's involvement in J6. J.R. Majewski attended J6 and his opponent Marcy Kaptur nailed him with ads. He lost by a sizable margin in a seat that was supposed to be a red trending seat.
Was that really the clincher, though? There wasn't another explanation available?
Besides the J6 baggage, both Mastriano and Majewski were endorsed by Trump, were hardline pro-lifers and often talked about 2020 election being stolen.
Candidates that were hardcore pro-life struggled in the rust belt of WI, PA and MI so Mastriano was certainly hurt a bit by aspect stance on abortion running in PA.
Hardcore pro-lifers generally did well in Ohio so Majewski was probably not hurt by his stance on abortion.
Consider the fact that every GOP secretary of state candidate in a swing state who said the 2020 election was stole lost their race. The AZ, NV, MI and WI GOP SOS candidates all lost. Suburban voters don't like "Stop the Steal" rhetoric.
Constantly saying 2020 was stolen as a candidate and being connected to J6 is clearly not beneficial seeing as GOP candidates who did either or both of these two things in swing states clearly lost.
What do you think the total negative down-votes mean? i believe most here are thoroughly disillusioned with the US and its political system, so hoping a new President might turn the ship around is met with derision in the form of negative votes.
I still hold out some hope, so it's Trump, DeSantis, or RFK Jr. as the last chance, at least in principle.
Imagine if, by crook, Biden is re-elected, as I'm sure many cynics here might predict. What then?