Desktop Lunix is 100 different UX designs on top of 1000 semi-functional desktop OSs composed of 10000 pieces of software connected together like spaghetti.
Finally, somebody calling this shit out on Linux users other than me, don't get me started on software compatibility otherwise I would have happily switched to Linux ages ago. It's going to be easier for autists to find a way to fuck with and possibly block Windows 11's spying than it is for me to install New Vegas on a Linux machine.
What's needed is for the Linux community to come up with a linux distro I would call 'normie OS' or something like that. Specifically design it for people like me who don't want to jump through all of the compatibility hoops and no I don't want to use the fucking terminal for everything like it's the 90's and I'm on a DOS machine all over again.
The Linux autists just don't understand the concept of user friendliness which is why their comments on how to use Linux are almost always incredibly unhelpful the socially awkward muppets and they often get mad when you have the audacity to point this all out as an end user giving genuine feedback.
Also, the joke is many of them admit to doing dual boots with Windows, so really this is just them admitting that the problems are there without admitting to it when they offer that as a solution. I'd rather have one OS installed for the sake of simplicity. If these problems just got fixed, I would be happy, but they won't be because too many in the Linux community have their heads up their arses. Say what you will about Linus but he pointed all this out when he tried PoP!OS for the first time and got an extremely bitchy response from the dev.
It's going to be easier for autists to find a way to fuck with and possibly block Windows 11's spying than it is for me to install New Vegas on a Linux machine.
I've got five bucks that says all it takes is a quick registry hack that's all of about three lines of Powershell that any idiot can run.
Failing that my overall backup plan is to have all my important shit on a Linux machine so any potential backdoor takeover on my gaming machine can be wiped immediately or they won't be able to do anything too damaging. I already have multiple backups of my work generally to begin with but a second PC would make me feel that much more secure.
The problem is, your average normie expects the computer to work out of the box. And that will in 99.99% of cases be the latest version of Windows with the web browser and app store installed and ready to go with the prospect of installing Microsoft Office or maybe proprietary software that is used in their workplace. If they have to download an image to burn to a USB stick, it's already too complicated. Never mind getting to the prospect of dual booting or partitioning the hard drive. They won't be inclined to switch from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice. And the chances of a computer from a mainstream store being pre-installed with Linux, a web browser and an app store is zero. Because Windows has a monopoly, everyone expects Windows and manufacturers will only install Windows.
The solution isn't going to be Apple's Mac OS either because they will eventually go the same way, just with a much higher price tag.
I agree and that's exactly part of the problem Linux users don't understand, at the same time though, I do feel I have to criticise Linux users who look at computers from the opposite end of the spectrum and seem to think it's a given you have to endlessly browse tutorials and search up shady looking github accounts for fixes to things that can be done so much simpler if I just install windows and ignore Linux.
For what it's worth with my own background, I'm not some retarded normie who can barely understand how a file browser works and is frightened of the concept of building my own PC. I've been using them since I was a child but I do think Linux users need to get this drilled into their heads from someone who's earnestly tried both with an open mind. I type out code on a daily basis now, the last thing I need is an absolute headache of a system that requires endless troubleshooting to do the most basic tasks if I want to just chill and play some games or watch anime.
This is the biggest obstacle to Linux mass adoption which is why advocate for a normie distro that's as easy to use as normies would want. Leave the autist distros to the autists if that's what they want, I'd love to open source everything for my PC, but the software just isn't there yet, at least I have gone open source with all my work related stuff so that's something and it's a million times better than the shit you have to pay for too.
The problem is making it compatible for every windows program is not as easy as people might think.
A game designed for linux, will work fine on linux, but will fail horribly on windows (almost assuredly). A game designed for windows, will work fine on windows, but will probably fail on linux.
The problem is everything is designed to work with windows, and until that changes, there is pretty much nothing to autists can do except screech at those continuing to design things for windows.
I remember reading about this and I think it was even a game dev that brought up this exact point. It's simply a matter of adoption rate statistics and ratio of cost vs benefit. I've forgotten what the exact statistic was but the dev was making a perfectly valid point that Linux users are in an absolute minority of userbase but make up the majority of bug reports and tech problems for their game.
Given this why would you waste time as a fairly big dev constantly have to get the game to work for a userbase that's frankly, not often all that grateful in the first place? I have to point out even this thread the Linux autists are being screechy and annoying over the valid points being brought up.
Until this attitude in the Linux community changes, the distros won't change and therefore Microsoft will keep winning. Being a game dev I'm lucky in that I've got Godot to do cross platform support but if I were a money man at these places I'd probably be doing the same maths on Linux from a practicality standpoint and it's just a fact that I'd be better off supporting Windows and Mac only than dealing with the absolute compatibility shitshow that is Linux. I want to support Linux though, for the sake of cross platform support and getting people freed from Microsoft, but boy are there a lack of incentives to do so.
By the way, this is a very similar problem with alt-tech where there isn't that much of an incentive for creators to make the switch yet, but at least with alt-tech it's extremely easy to get into using it compared to Linux because they devs have thought ahead on user friendliness.
This is approximately the same line that was being fed to me back in 2007 when Ubuntu was supposed to be the distro that finally made Linux compete with with the Windows desktop experience.
Windows works, you can bitch about the back end all you want but the fact is it's a breeze to use compared to Linux. I don't want to be forced to defend Microsoft but the Linux users leave me no choice lol.
It's only "easy" to use because of prior knowledge of UI patterns that almost everyone has thanks to Windows' historical market share. It's not naturally intuitive. I have seen lifelong Apple users (before OSX) that were completely lost on a Windows PC until they got used to it.
Obviously I'm not defending any particular Linux DE here, but I haven't done any research on them either.
I have never, ever been in a position where unplugging a USB device bricked my Windows installation. Meanwhile, if a USB storage device on my laptop running Mint gets unplugged without being dismounted (which happens, it's a laptop), I better start backing shit up because that installation is now ruined. Next time I try to boot, it just won't.
When I tell Linux creatures this story, they act like I'm just making shit up, or I must just be retarded, as if it's my first time using a computer and I haven't extensively tested this for my own sake. That Linux has real issues is beyond them.
It's only "easy" to use because of prior knowledge of UI patterns that almost everyone has thanks to Windows' historical market share.
Seriously, you think people would save the shit about "relearning how to use an OS" when Windows changes shit in every mainline release. Remember how Windows 8 removed the start menu and replaced it with that fucking tiles bullshit? Now you have Windows 11 centering your icons in the task bar instead of having them left-justified. "Oh, but it's only one thing you have to change". Oh, but I thought that Windows "works out of the box". Every single excuse people make to defend Windows is the words of a battered house wife: "You don't know him like I know him! I can't live without him! I can fix him! He loooooooooves me!"
No one comes out of the womb knowing how to drive a car, do basic math, or read basic words.
Literally everyone says Windows works until you have to do anything more basic than open a web browser. Popular Linux distros literally come with a graphical software manager that allows you to install programs without even opening a web browser. You're telling me that opening a Software Manager and clicking download is easier than having to find the webpage for the program, find the executable, download the executable, run the executable, and sometime have to restart your entire operating system?
Windows 11 literally gets on stage talking about how "no one else" has done fucking window tiling and acts like adding tabs to browsers is a big deal. Meanwhile, Linux DEs have had that shit for years. They even allow you to open files and folders with a single click. Can't wait for Microsoft to steal that so everyone can blast fucking rope about "how well made Windows is, you goys!"
Desktop Lunix is 100 different UX designs on top of 1000 semi-functional desktop OSs composed of 10000 pieces of software connected together like spaghetti.
Finally, somebody calling this shit out on Linux users other than me, don't get me started on software compatibility otherwise I would have happily switched to Linux ages ago. It's going to be easier for autists to find a way to fuck with and possibly block Windows 11's spying than it is for me to install New Vegas on a Linux machine.
What's needed is for the Linux community to come up with a linux distro I would call 'normie OS' or something like that. Specifically design it for people like me who don't want to jump through all of the compatibility hoops and no I don't want to use the fucking terminal for everything like it's the 90's and I'm on a DOS machine all over again.
The Linux autists just don't understand the concept of user friendliness which is why their comments on how to use Linux are almost always incredibly unhelpful the socially awkward muppets and they often get mad when you have the audacity to point this all out as an end user giving genuine feedback.
Also, the joke is many of them admit to doing dual boots with Windows, so really this is just them admitting that the problems are there without admitting to it when they offer that as a solution. I'd rather have one OS installed for the sake of simplicity. If these problems just got fixed, I would be happy, but they won't be because too many in the Linux community have their heads up their arses. Say what you will about Linus but he pointed all this out when he tried PoP!OS for the first time and got an extremely bitchy response from the dev.
I've got five bucks that says all it takes is a quick registry hack that's all of about three lines of Powershell that any idiot can run.
Failing that my overall backup plan is to have all my important shit on a Linux machine so any potential backdoor takeover on my gaming machine can be wiped immediately or they won't be able to do anything too damaging. I already have multiple backups of my work generally to begin with but a second PC would make me feel that much more secure.
The problem is, your average normie expects the computer to work out of the box. And that will in 99.99% of cases be the latest version of Windows with the web browser and app store installed and ready to go with the prospect of installing Microsoft Office or maybe proprietary software that is used in their workplace. If they have to download an image to burn to a USB stick, it's already too complicated. Never mind getting to the prospect of dual booting or partitioning the hard drive. They won't be inclined to switch from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice. And the chances of a computer from a mainstream store being pre-installed with Linux, a web browser and an app store is zero. Because Windows has a monopoly, everyone expects Windows and manufacturers will only install Windows.
The solution isn't going to be Apple's Mac OS either because they will eventually go the same way, just with a much higher price tag.
I agree and that's exactly part of the problem Linux users don't understand, at the same time though, I do feel I have to criticise Linux users who look at computers from the opposite end of the spectrum and seem to think it's a given you have to endlessly browse tutorials and search up shady looking github accounts for fixes to things that can be done so much simpler if I just install windows and ignore Linux.
For what it's worth with my own background, I'm not some retarded normie who can barely understand how a file browser works and is frightened of the concept of building my own PC. I've been using them since I was a child but I do think Linux users need to get this drilled into their heads from someone who's earnestly tried both with an open mind. I type out code on a daily basis now, the last thing I need is an absolute headache of a system that requires endless troubleshooting to do the most basic tasks if I want to just chill and play some games or watch anime.
This is the biggest obstacle to Linux mass adoption which is why advocate for a normie distro that's as easy to use as normies would want. Leave the autist distros to the autists if that's what they want, I'd love to open source everything for my PC, but the software just isn't there yet, at least I have gone open source with all my work related stuff so that's something and it's a million times better than the shit you have to pay for too.
The average normie uses their desktop computer as a bootloader for a web browser.
Christ, you would think that there would be a combination that's functional for those of us who are decently tech literate but not fucking autists.
The problem is making it compatible for every windows program is not as easy as people might think.
A game designed for linux, will work fine on linux, but will fail horribly on windows (almost assuredly). A game designed for windows, will work fine on windows, but will probably fail on linux.
The problem is everything is designed to work with windows, and until that changes, there is pretty much nothing to autists can do except screech at those continuing to design things for windows.
I remember reading about this and I think it was even a game dev that brought up this exact point. It's simply a matter of adoption rate statistics and ratio of cost vs benefit. I've forgotten what the exact statistic was but the dev was making a perfectly valid point that Linux users are in an absolute minority of userbase but make up the majority of bug reports and tech problems for their game.
Given this why would you waste time as a fairly big dev constantly have to get the game to work for a userbase that's frankly, not often all that grateful in the first place? I have to point out even this thread the Linux autists are being screechy and annoying over the valid points being brought up.
Until this attitude in the Linux community changes, the distros won't change and therefore Microsoft will keep winning. Being a game dev I'm lucky in that I've got Godot to do cross platform support but if I were a money man at these places I'd probably be doing the same maths on Linux from a practicality standpoint and it's just a fact that I'd be better off supporting Windows and Mac only than dealing with the absolute compatibility shitshow that is Linux. I want to support Linux though, for the sake of cross platform support and getting people freed from Microsoft, but boy are there a lack of incentives to do so.
By the way, this is a very similar problem with alt-tech where there isn't that much of an incentive for creators to make the switch yet, but at least with alt-tech it's extremely easy to get into using it compared to Linux because they devs have thought ahead on user friendliness.
So every bit the mess it was when I last tried it back in 2007 with no improvement whatsoever.
Yes. It’s just as bad. I use Mac and Linux exclusively. Linux is a shitshow, no matter the distribution.
It's significantly better than it was in 2007 but nowhere near as good as Windows/Android/iOS and never will be.
This is approximately the same line that was being fed to me back in 2007 when Ubuntu was supposed to be the distro that finally made Linux compete with with the Windows desktop experience.
Spoilers: It did not.
Yes, that's what the second part of my one sentence post said.
And Windows isn't?
Windows works, you can bitch about the back end all you want but the fact is it's a breeze to use compared to Linux. I don't want to be forced to defend Microsoft but the Linux users leave me no choice lol.
It's only "easy" to use because of prior knowledge of UI patterns that almost everyone has thanks to Windows' historical market share. It's not naturally intuitive. I have seen lifelong Apple users (before OSX) that were completely lost on a Windows PC until they got used to it.
Obviously I'm not defending any particular Linux DE here, but I haven't done any research on them either.
I have never, ever been in a position where unplugging a USB device bricked my Windows installation. Meanwhile, if a USB storage device on my laptop running Mint gets unplugged without being dismounted (which happens, it's a laptop), I better start backing shit up because that installation is now ruined. Next time I try to boot, it just won't.
When I tell Linux creatures this story, they act like I'm just making shit up, or I must just be retarded, as if it's my first time using a computer and I haven't extensively tested this for my own sake. That Linux has real issues is beyond them.
Seriously, you think people would save the shit about "relearning how to use an OS" when Windows changes shit in every mainline release. Remember how Windows 8 removed the start menu and replaced it with that fucking tiles bullshit? Now you have Windows 11 centering your icons in the task bar instead of having them left-justified. "Oh, but it's only one thing you have to change". Oh, but I thought that Windows "works out of the box". Every single excuse people make to defend Windows is the words of a battered house wife: "You don't know him like I know him! I can't live without him! I can fix him! He loooooooooves me!"
No one comes out of the womb knowing how to drive a car, do basic math, or read basic words.
Literally everyone says Windows works until you have to do anything more basic than open a web browser. Popular Linux distros literally come with a graphical software manager that allows you to install programs without even opening a web browser. You're telling me that opening a Software Manager and clicking download is easier than having to find the webpage for the program, find the executable, download the executable, run the executable, and sometime have to restart your entire operating system?
Windows 11 literally gets on stage talking about how "no one else" has done fucking window tiling and acts like adding tabs to browsers is a big deal. Meanwhile, Linux DEs have had that shit for years. They even allow you to open files and folders with a single click. Can't wait for Microsoft to steal that so everyone can blast fucking rope about "how well made Windows is, you goys!"