The 2000s were kind of trash, though, in terms of entertainment culture. That's when feminism started to seep into everything and the end result was an abomination of corporate compromises.
Yeah, but... Have you like, looked at most pop culture pre, say, 2010..?
While it is certainly not perfect, it's like a whole other world, compared to today...
Like, sure, some shit was still shitty, but at least it didn't feel the need to shove "muh current correct opinion" in your face...
Like, even in music videos and shit, everyone just looks so normal (ignoring emo shit, for this), by comparison to now. And white self-hatred wasn't yet quite so in vogue, so "black ghetto sheeeit" wasn't yet predominant.
Sure, nostalgia plays a part here, but oh man, it's so much worse now...
Agreed. Like pull up music videos from the time like by 3oh3 or any of the pop stuff by Kesha, Lady Gaga or even Katy Perry.
It's normal. Zany maybe a lot of the time but it's not current correct opinion or ashamed of itself. Starstrukk especially could not be made today. Like 30 sec of the video is Katy Perry dancing almost naked in the rain because that's some guy's fantasy and the video is about finding an attractive straight partner by throwing a coin in a fountain. No one's partner fantasy in that video is a fat troon and that tells you a lot about the time.
Good Girls Go Bad by Cobra Starship is always my go to for this era of “pop”, simply because Leighton Meester is supremely underrated as a singer, despite being an “It girl” at the time… And she is, and always will be I guess, the “hot one” from, well, you know the show…
But hell, even Neon Trees, where the lead singer is gay…
There’s no fucking way anyone would no that from their music at the time, or the vids, and perhaps that is the point…
So, different music, but I agree completely.
I really don’t like any of those three women as people (Kesha has been through some shit, I guess), but even I can admit they had some decent songs, once…
But yeah, the world was a better place, before every single popular artist on the planet had to have the same “suitably woke” opinions on everything, lol…
That started in the nineties. Hip hop became the dominant music genre in the late nineties/early two thousands. It's when the DNC figured out that they needed to keep blacks "on the plantation" (as black conservatives say) and they started using the entertainment industry (amongst other things) to wedge these wildly disparate demographics together to form a coalition of DNC voters.
As with many things that have been on the decline for generations, the generation before mine looked at the 2000's from the standpoint of how they degraded compared to the 1980s, just as my generation looks at the 2020's from the standpoint of how they degraded compared to the 2000's.
Both things can be true:
The 2000's were kinda trash (true)
The 2000's were a better time in many ways compared to now (also probably true)
You are so right. I took a job at the high school I gradutated from circa 2010 and the place is unrecognizable now. It is essentially a prison. Virtually no learning occurs at any point in any class.
I always thought it was 2012 when I noticed shit was going weird. A big thing for blind me at the time seeing rock music just die to some new crappy pop music
That's about when I started to notice things were "off" too. I was just coming of age at that time though. I imagine it was going on before that. It's a bunch of Gen Xers that came up with 1997 so that's probably around the time they were coming of age too.
As a Gen Xer, I'd say that 1997 was right around the time that I'd say that a lot more "new" stuff was just stuff from my youth that had been repackaged but with extra cynicism and tokenism.
There was still a lot of good stuff, but the ideological and nihilistic crap was definitely starting to seep in.
Like, having a black Vulcan on Voyager was obvious pandering to me, even back then. The main difference was that it used to be encouraged to point out cynical marketing pandering. Like when my university (98.5% white, 1% Asian, 0.5% other) took promo pictures and managed to find the 2 black guys who weren't on the basketball team to proudly feature and was resoundingly mocked for it.
The 2000s were kind of trash, though, in terms of entertainment culture. That's when feminism started to seep into everything and the end result was an abomination of corporate compromises.
Feminism had been seeping into everything for forty years. The 00's were when cracks began to form and it began seeping out of everything.
This is when the Left flipped the switch from infiltration to evangelism.
It ruined science fiction a lot earlier than other genres.
Yeah, but... Have you like, looked at most pop culture pre, say, 2010..?
While it is certainly not perfect, it's like a whole other world, compared to today...
Like, sure, some shit was still shitty, but at least it didn't feel the need to shove "muh current correct opinion" in your face...
Like, even in music videos and shit, everyone just looks so normal (ignoring emo shit, for this), by comparison to now. And white self-hatred wasn't yet quite so in vogue, so "black ghetto sheeeit" wasn't yet predominant.
Sure, nostalgia plays a part here, but oh man, it's so much worse now...
Agreed. Like pull up music videos from the time like by 3oh3 or any of the pop stuff by Kesha, Lady Gaga or even Katy Perry.
It's normal. Zany maybe a lot of the time but it's not current correct opinion or ashamed of itself. Starstrukk especially could not be made today. Like 30 sec of the video is Katy Perry dancing almost naked in the rain because that's some guy's fantasy and the video is about finding an attractive straight partner by throwing a coin in a fountain. No one's partner fantasy in that video is a fat troon and that tells you a lot about the time.
Good Girls Go Bad by Cobra Starship is always my go to for this era of “pop”, simply because Leighton Meester is supremely underrated as a singer, despite being an “It girl” at the time… And she is, and always will be I guess, the “hot one” from, well, you know the show…
But hell, even Neon Trees, where the lead singer is gay…
There’s no fucking way anyone would no that from their music at the time, or the vids, and perhaps that is the point…
So, different music, but I agree completely.
I really don’t like any of those three women as people (Kesha has been through some shit, I guess), but even I can admit they had some decent songs, once…
But yeah, the world was a better place, before every single popular artist on the planet had to have the same “suitably woke” opinions on everything, lol…
That started in the nineties. Hip hop became the dominant music genre in the late nineties/early two thousands. It's when the DNC figured out that they needed to keep blacks "on the plantation" (as black conservatives say) and they started using the entertainment industry (amongst other things) to wedge these wildly disparate demographics together to form a coalition of DNC voters.
As with many things that have been on the decline for generations, the generation before mine looked at the 2000's from the standpoint of how they degraded compared to the 1980s, just as my generation looks at the 2020's from the standpoint of how they degraded compared to the 2000's.
Both things can be true:
Laughs in University student…
The decline in quality of everything about that experience is the most precipitous thing I have almost ever seen…
Like, even compared to say, government services, pre and post Covid (also massively worse, just less so).
It’s incredible.
Like, comparing 2018 to now is crazy, but comparing 2014 (when I first started, at a different Uni) to now is mindblowing…
It’s almost like… I’d go beyond “generation gap” and go with barely recognizable as the same level of education anymore…
I seriously fear for the young ones who don’t know better.
They have no idea what a dick-over they are getting by these so called “respected institutions”, and the staff within them…
No wonder Gen Z is so fucked.
You are so right. I took a job at the high school I gradutated from circa 2010 and the place is unrecognizable now. It is essentially a prison. Virtually no learning occurs at any point in any class.
The popularity of the Xbox360 despite the red ring of death should have punctuated just how naive people were back then.
"Get your Xbox360 now and we'll ship a replacement over to you when it craps out within three months of purchase! Premium shipping guaranteed!"
There's a theory out there that the year 1997 was "cultural ground zero"
That was the last year mainstream culture came up with anything new and good. Ever since then it's been all nostalgia and pandering.
I always thought it was 2012 when I noticed shit was going weird. A big thing for blind me at the time seeing rock music just die to some new crappy pop music
That's about when I started to notice things were "off" too. I was just coming of age at that time though. I imagine it was going on before that. It's a bunch of Gen Xers that came up with 1997 so that's probably around the time they were coming of age too.
As a Gen Xer, I'd say that 1997 was right around the time that I'd say that a lot more "new" stuff was just stuff from my youth that had been repackaged but with extra cynicism and tokenism.
There was still a lot of good stuff, but the ideological and nihilistic crap was definitely starting to seep in.
Like, having a black Vulcan on Voyager was obvious pandering to me, even back then. The main difference was that it used to be encouraged to point out cynical marketing pandering. Like when my university (98.5% white, 1% Asian, 0.5% other) took promo pictures and managed to find the 2 black guys who weren't on the basketball team to proudly feature and was resoundingly mocked for it.
I agree with this analysis. Completely.
Not sure how old you are, but this is the same time I noticed...
Born in 92.
Totally agree with you, 2012 is when it felt like we crossed into another reality.