Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation, it is an independent and free country and people who are fighting for their own freedom against brutal Russian oppression and tyranny.
Ukrainians don't die "for American empire", they willingly risk their lives to save their families and people from a Russian cultural genocide. We know from all the Russian whining about how the Russian language in Ukraine isn't given equal status with Ukrainian, that once the Russians took over, they would do all they could to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture, and most likely would follow the same Stalinist forced settlement genocides that they've already inflicted on many people in occupied lands.
There is no such thing as an "American empire". I wish there was, then we wouldn't have to deal with this bullshit. If an American Empire really existed, Russia would be far far far too afraid to challenge it. America could crush the Russian military like a bug. The only reason Russia and China are trying to fuck around, is that America's weak attitude and soft power leave the door open for them to attempt to create an empire since America doesn't already have one standing in the way.
I literally watched the video on the Russian tv thing. LOL you act like a propagandist yet you expect people to treat you like a free thinking individual.
Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation, it is an independent and free country and people who are fighting for their own freedom against brutal Russian oppression and tyranny.
Guy comes to this forum and sounds like a globalist giving a speech at WEF, you just forgot to mention ''our democracy'' and this would read even more than it already does like an average western politician giving a speech.
He definitely has a blind spot when it comes to Russia. But I like that at least someone is providing the opposite perspective, even though his arguments on this thread weren't the strongest. It would be exceedingly boring if everyone just had the same opinion, and it doesn't equip people to try to open the eyes of people who belong to the 95% who are pro-Ukraine.
Funny, because I've always pointed out that "MASSIVE FRAUD" is nonsense. The 'election' was rigged in the normal way Western elections are rigged (through media bias) and then some (rigging of election regulations), but not by massive fraud.
The basic reality is that Russia has a massive advantage over Ukraine, in military power, in manpower, in industrial capacity, regardless of how many European countries' economies and Ukrainian lives you are willing to sacrifice for your empire, regardless of how much European infrastructure you blow up, regardless of how much you defraud us with your overpriced LNG garbage.
Russia will win, whether you like it or not. Your puppet will, at best, continue to be a dysfunctional rump state - a warning to any country that wants to become the West's prostitute.
The 'election' was rigged in the normal way Western elections are rigged (through media bias) and then some (rigging of election regulations), but not by massive fraud.
I 100% agree with those points.
The basic reality is that Russia has a massive advantage over Ukraine, in military power, in manpower, in industrial capacity
All true, but it only comes into play if Russia is willing and able to undergo a full mobilization both economically and for conscription. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog". Ukraine is all-in and under full mobilization, whereas Russia is trying to wage war on the cheap with half measures. Russia not only can't win with half measures, but it has totally squandered decades of stockpiles and is now suffering from shell hunger and tank shortages because it wastefully and inefficiently tried to wage a half-assed war.
regardless of how many European countries' economies
Thing is, that for the US, EU, Commonwealth, and other countries giving aid to Ukraine the aid being given is only a tiny, insignificant fraction of their economies. Not enough to even be felt or make a dent. But because these countries are collectively many, many times bigger economically than Russia, even their tiny spending relative to their economies is more than enough to counter Russia's half-mobilized defense industrial base.
Russia will win, whether you like it or not.
Except Russia is losing right now, and it is losing because it has made stupid choices that are unserious about victory every step of the way:
After suffering initial failures and setbacks, the Russians pivoted to "Hearts of Iron artillery-only challenge" in which they burned through decades of artillery ammunition stockpiles in mere months in order to bully the Ukrainians, and only took a tiny amount of territory in exchange for moonscaping large swaths of Ukraine. Then HIMARS showed up and blew up enough ammo caches that this strategy became unsustainable a few months earlier than otherwise since Russians became ammo-constrained.
Sergey Surovikin was brought in and did the 1 intelligent thing Russia has done the whole war: HE WENT OVER TO THE DEFENSIVE AND STARTED TO REBUILD RUSSIAN STRENGTH. His plan was to build a strong defense, wait for the next Ukrainian offensive, crush it, then go on the counterattack with his eventual manpower advantage from mobilization, likely in late spring to summer 2023.
Dumbass Putin, impatient and not willing to give Surovikin's plan a chance, stepped in again with fucking Wagner & Yevgeny Prigozhin strutting with a bunch of bullshit marketing claims about how they could win the war. Wager got huge favoritism in resources and was allowed to burn through tons of men's lives in order to grind down the flanks of Bahkmut. When this eventually worked in very small ways, Putin fired Surovikin & replaced him with Valery Gerasimov with marching orders to go back on the offensive.
The Russian offensive which began in late January to presented, WASTED ALL THE RESOURCES Surovikin had built up, for NOTHING except a little more land around Bakhmut. This offensive was retarded, and wasted the 1 hope Russia had of making major gains, and instead completely reversed the situation so that Russia is wasting all its strength and opening itself up to a Ukrainian counter-attack JUST LIKE IT DID BEFORE AT KHARKIV. Russia should have been setting up for a Kursk type battle, and instead it just wasted whatever benefits it had from the 1st round of mobilization to set itself up for a Case Blue.
If things continue as they are now, and there is every reason to believe they will, Russia will keep exhausting itself until it completely loses offensive potential. Then Ukraine will counter-attack and likely will break through in at least one area. Whether this break through will be successfully exploited will depend on many factors, but the Russians have put themselves in the worst possible position, all because of emotionally driven and politically driven bungling.
Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation
Victoria Nuland, Naftali Bennett peace proposal, John Kirby saying that a ceasefire is "unacceptable".
it is an independent and free country
Legitimate orthodoxy is banned, the secret service intimidates judges to give dissenters 12 year jail sentences, Russian language media is banned, opposition parties are banned.
That is freedom the American imperialist way.
they willingly risk their lives
Willingly? They're being forcibly picked up from the streets, nightclubs in Kharkov are raided to pick up fresh cannon fodder for the American death machine.
they would do all they could to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture
Ukrainian culture and language is a product of the 'Ukrainization' campaign of the Bolsheviks.
There is no such thing as an "American empire". I wish there was
Then stop exporting BLM and troonery to my country. Stop sanctioning Uganda for upholding traditionalism. Not you personally.
is that America's weak attitude and soft power leave the door open for them to attempt to create an empire since America doesn't already have one standing in the way.
How many countries do you have military bases again?
I literally watched the video on the Russian tv thing. LOL you act like a propagandist yet you expect people to treat you like a free thinking individual.
Do you speak Russian? Your opinions are those of CNN. I consume the propaganda that both sides produce, and then I think for myself, which is why I don't buy the explanations for the Bucha mess, while you believe basically every negative story about Russia.
Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation
You’re legitimately too stupid to be on this website.
it is an independent and free country
The entire operational budget of the country is being paid for by the US.
and people who are fighting for their own freedom
The CIA overthrew their legitimately elected government and began murdering Ukrainian citizens in order to provoke Russia into attacking.
against brutal Russian oppression and tyranny.
“Making it illegal to teach children about gay anal fisting” is oppression and tyranny?
Ukrainians don't die "for American empire", they willingly risk their lives to save their families and people from a Russian cultural genocide.
How many of them are dating “I will literally die in order to keep teaching my children that miscegenation with homosexuals is and has always been my culture”?
We know from all the Russian whining about how the Russian language in Ukraine isn't given equal status with Ukrainian
What about it?
they would do all they could to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture
Try again with something believable.
most likely would follow the same Stalinist forced settlement genocides that they've already inflicted on many people in occupied lands.
Something believable.
There is no such thing as an "American empire".
SOMETHING. BELIEVABLE.
I wish there was
Too stupid to be alive, honestly.
If an American Empire really existed, Russia would be far far far too afraid to challenge it.
lol
America could crush the Russian military like a bug.
[citation needed]
America doesn't already have one
Learn what the IMF is, you stupid fucking shill.
LOL you act like a propagandist
I wish irony was fatal.
you expect people to treat you like a free thinking individual.
You are physically incapable of comprehending truth even when it is presented to you.
Thanks for admitting that everything you said is objectively false and that you’re incapable of refuting my statements. You have conceded the point and admitted you are a paid propagandist for genocidal ideals.
I'm not sure why he's trying so hard to throw Western propoganda on the users here anyway. It's like going to 4chan and trying to change people's minds by screaming incoherently in the void.
The users I see here really seem to be on the ball and remember most of the political things that led to this point (NATO open, the Maiden Coup, Obama and co fucking around in Eastern Europe for YEARS) so why go off these tangents that everyone else is wrong and Russia is going to collapse any day now, just you wait and see!
Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation, it is an independent and free country and people who are fighting for their own freedom against brutal Russian oppression and tyranny.
You should read Glen Greenwald's latest discussion of this question, especially his quotations of that bloodless ghoul Jen Psaki, Victoria Nuland, and John Kirby. The USG has a history of running Ukraine, from a coup to blocking a cease-fire because they want Putin out. The Biden administration and the security state are running a proxy war and have no interest in ending it.
The Empire is shrinking and its leaders are losing control of what remains, precisely because there are chinks in their propaganda armor made by independent journalists.
Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation, it is an independent and free country and people who are fighting for their own freedom against brutal Russian oppression and tyranny.
Ukrainians don't die "for American empire", they willingly risk their lives to save their families and people from a Russian cultural genocide. We know from all the Russian whining about how the Russian language in Ukraine isn't given equal status with Ukrainian, that once the Russians took over, they would do all they could to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture, and most likely would follow the same Stalinist forced settlement genocides that they've already inflicted on many people in occupied lands.
There is no such thing as an "American empire". I wish there was, then we wouldn't have to deal with this bullshit. If an American Empire really existed, Russia would be far far far too afraid to challenge it. America could crush the Russian military like a bug. The only reason Russia and China are trying to fuck around, is that America's weak attitude and soft power leave the door open for them to attempt to create an empire since America doesn't already have one standing in the way.
I literally watched the video on the Russian tv thing. LOL you act like a propagandist yet you expect people to treat you like a free thinking individual.
Guy comes to this forum and sounds like a globalist giving a speech at WEF, you just forgot to mention ''our democracy'' and this would read even more than it already does like an average western politician giving a speech.
He definitely has a blind spot when it comes to Russia. But I like that at least someone is providing the opposite perspective, even though his arguments on this thread weren't the strongest. It would be exceedingly boring if everyone just had the same opinion, and it doesn't equip people to try to open the eyes of people who belong to the 95% who are pro-Ukraine.
It's hilarious how some people in this sub refuse to accept basic realities because you have to reject them as a psychological cope.
I guess that's par for the course for people who still lie and claim that Trump didn't lose the 2020 election even though he very clearly did.
Funny, because I've always pointed out that "MASSIVE FRAUD" is nonsense. The 'election' was rigged in the normal way Western elections are rigged (through media bias) and then some (rigging of election regulations), but not by massive fraud.
The basic reality is that Russia has a massive advantage over Ukraine, in military power, in manpower, in industrial capacity, regardless of how many European countries' economies and Ukrainian lives you are willing to sacrifice for your empire, regardless of how much European infrastructure you blow up, regardless of how much you defraud us with your overpriced LNG garbage.
Russia will win, whether you like it or not. Your puppet will, at best, continue to be a dysfunctional rump state - a warning to any country that wants to become the West's prostitute.
I 100% agree with those points.
All true, but it only comes into play if Russia is willing and able to undergo a full mobilization both economically and for conscription. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog". Ukraine is all-in and under full mobilization, whereas Russia is trying to wage war on the cheap with half measures. Russia not only can't win with half measures, but it has totally squandered decades of stockpiles and is now suffering from shell hunger and tank shortages because it wastefully and inefficiently tried to wage a half-assed war.
Thing is, that for the US, EU, Commonwealth, and other countries giving aid to Ukraine the aid being given is only a tiny, insignificant fraction of their economies. Not enough to even be felt or make a dent. But because these countries are collectively many, many times bigger economically than Russia, even their tiny spending relative to their economies is more than enough to counter Russia's half-mobilized defense industrial base.
Except Russia is losing right now, and it is losing because it has made stupid choices that are unserious about victory every step of the way:
Russia tried an initial blitz strategy that assumed Ukraine would not seriously resist, when Russian intelligence told Putin Ukraine would resist, but he chose to believe his sycophants instead. The result was a debacle with enormous Russian losses and two embarrassing retreats from the North. My alternative warplan would have guaranteed Russian victory within months by pocketing and capturing the bulk of Ukraine's veteran forces.
After suffering initial failures and setbacks, the Russians pivoted to "Hearts of Iron artillery-only challenge" in which they burned through decades of artillery ammunition stockpiles in mere months in order to bully the Ukrainians, and only took a tiny amount of territory in exchange for moonscaping large swaths of Ukraine. Then HIMARS showed up and blew up enough ammo caches that this strategy became unsustainable a few months earlier than otherwise since Russians became ammo-constrained.
Sergey Surovikin was brought in and did the 1 intelligent thing Russia has done the whole war: HE WENT OVER TO THE DEFENSIVE AND STARTED TO REBUILD RUSSIAN STRENGTH. His plan was to build a strong defense, wait for the next Ukrainian offensive, crush it, then go on the counterattack with his eventual manpower advantage from mobilization, likely in late spring to summer 2023.
Dumbass Putin, impatient and not willing to give Surovikin's plan a chance, stepped in again with fucking Wagner & Yevgeny Prigozhin strutting with a bunch of bullshit marketing claims about how they could win the war. Wager got huge favoritism in resources and was allowed to burn through tons of men's lives in order to grind down the flanks of Bahkmut. When this eventually worked in very small ways, Putin fired Surovikin & replaced him with Valery Gerasimov with marching orders to go back on the offensive.
The Russian offensive which began in late January to presented, WASTED ALL THE RESOURCES Surovikin had built up, for NOTHING except a little more land around Bakhmut. This offensive was retarded, and wasted the 1 hope Russia had of making major gains, and instead completely reversed the situation so that Russia is wasting all its strength and opening itself up to a Ukrainian counter-attack JUST LIKE IT DID BEFORE AT KHARKIV. Russia should have been setting up for a Kursk type battle, and instead it just wasted whatever benefits it had from the 1st round of mobilization to set itself up for a Case Blue.
If things continue as they are now, and there is every reason to believe they will, Russia will keep exhausting itself until it completely loses offensive potential. Then Ukraine will counter-attack and likely will break through in at least one area. Whether this break through will be successfully exploited will depend on many factors, but the Russians have put themselves in the worst possible position, all because of emotionally driven and politically driven bungling.
Victoria Nuland, Naftali Bennett peace proposal, John Kirby saying that a ceasefire is "unacceptable".
Legitimate orthodoxy is banned, the secret service intimidates judges to give dissenters 12 year jail sentences, Russian language media is banned, opposition parties are banned.
That is freedom the American imperialist way.
Willingly? They're being forcibly picked up from the streets, nightclubs in Kharkov are raided to pick up fresh cannon fodder for the American death machine.
Ukrainian culture and language is a product of the 'Ukrainization' campaign of the Bolsheviks.
Then stop exporting BLM and troonery to my country. Stop sanctioning Uganda for upholding traditionalism. Not you personally.
How many countries do you have military bases again?
Do you speak Russian? Your opinions are those of CNN. I consume the propaganda that both sides produce, and then I think for myself, which is why I don't buy the explanations for the Bucha mess, while you believe basically every negative story about Russia.
You’re legitimately too stupid to be on this website.
The entire operational budget of the country is being paid for by the US.
The CIA overthrew their legitimately elected government and began murdering Ukrainian citizens in order to provoke Russia into attacking.
“Making it illegal to teach children about gay anal fisting” is oppression and tyranny?
How many of them are dating “I will literally die in order to keep teaching my children that miscegenation with homosexuals is and has always been my culture”?
What about it?
Try again with something believable.
Something believable.
SOMETHING. BELIEVABLE.
Too stupid to be alive, honestly.
lol
[citation needed]
Learn what the IMF is, you stupid fucking shill.
I wish irony was fatal.
You are physically incapable of comprehending truth even when it is presented to you.
Nice long comment I stopped reading after the 1st line and just blocked you instead.
I've got a long list of haters in this sub who enjoy shouting into the void after I trigger them. Join the club.
Thanks for admitting that everything you said is objectively false and that you’re incapable of refuting my statements. You have conceded the point and admitted you are a paid propagandist for genocidal ideals.
I'm not sure why he's trying so hard to throw Western propoganda on the users here anyway. It's like going to 4chan and trying to change people's minds by screaming incoherently in the void.
The users I see here really seem to be on the ball and remember most of the political things that led to this point (NATO open, the Maiden Coup, Obama and co fucking around in Eastern Europe for YEARS) so why go off these tangents that everyone else is wrong and Russia is going to collapse any day now, just you wait and see!
or maybe you just shouldn't worship an evil empire ruled over by a murderous criminal with napoleon syndrome?
You should read Glen Greenwald's latest discussion of this question, especially his quotations of that bloodless ghoul Jen Psaki, Victoria Nuland, and John Kirby. The USG has a history of running Ukraine, from a coup to blocking a cease-fire because they want Putin out. The Biden administration and the security state are running a proxy war and have no interest in ending it.
The Empire is shrinking and its leaders are losing control of what remains, precisely because there are chinks in their propaganda armor made by independent journalists.