Ukraine is not a puppet of the US or any other nation, it is an independent and free country and people who are fighting for their own freedom against brutal Russian oppression and tyranny.
Guy comes to this forum and sounds like a globalist giving a speech at WEF, you just forgot to mention ''our democracy'' and this would read even more than it already does like an average western politician giving a speech.
He definitely has a blind spot when it comes to Russia. But I like that at least someone is providing the opposite perspective, even though his arguments on this thread weren't the strongest. It would be exceedingly boring if everyone just had the same opinion, and it doesn't equip people to try to open the eyes of people who belong to the 95% who are pro-Ukraine.
Funny, because I've always pointed out that "MASSIVE FRAUD" is nonsense. The 'election' was rigged in the normal way Western elections are rigged (through media bias) and then some (rigging of election regulations), but not by massive fraud.
The basic reality is that Russia has a massive advantage over Ukraine, in military power, in manpower, in industrial capacity, regardless of how many European countries' economies and Ukrainian lives you are willing to sacrifice for your empire, regardless of how much European infrastructure you blow up, regardless of how much you defraud us with your overpriced LNG garbage.
Russia will win, whether you like it or not. Your puppet will, at best, continue to be a dysfunctional rump state - a warning to any country that wants to become the West's prostitute.
The 'election' was rigged in the normal way Western elections are rigged (through media bias) and then some (rigging of election regulations), but not by massive fraud.
I 100% agree with those points.
The basic reality is that Russia has a massive advantage over Ukraine, in military power, in manpower, in industrial capacity
All true, but it only comes into play if Russia is willing and able to undergo a full mobilization both economically and for conscription. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog". Ukraine is all-in and under full mobilization, whereas Russia is trying to wage war on the cheap with half measures. Russia not only can't win with half measures, but it has totally squandered decades of stockpiles and is now suffering from shell hunger and tank shortages because it wastefully and inefficiently tried to wage a half-assed war.
regardless of how many European countries' economies
Thing is, that for the US, EU, Commonwealth, and other countries giving aid to Ukraine the aid being given is only a tiny, insignificant fraction of their economies. Not enough to even be felt or make a dent. But because these countries are collectively many, many times bigger economically than Russia, even their tiny spending relative to their economies is more than enough to counter Russia's half-mobilized defense industrial base.
Russia will win, whether you like it or not.
Except Russia is losing right now, and it is losing because it has made stupid choices that are unserious about victory every step of the way:
After suffering initial failures and setbacks, the Russians pivoted to "Hearts of Iron artillery-only challenge" in which they burned through decades of artillery ammunition stockpiles in mere months in order to bully the Ukrainians, and only took a tiny amount of territory in exchange for moonscaping large swaths of Ukraine. Then HIMARS showed up and blew up enough ammo caches that this strategy became unsustainable a few months earlier than otherwise since Russians became ammo-constrained.
Sergey Surovikin was brought in and did the 1 intelligent thing Russia has done the whole war: HE WENT OVER TO THE DEFENSIVE AND STARTED TO REBUILD RUSSIAN STRENGTH. His plan was to build a strong defense, wait for the next Ukrainian offensive, crush it, then go on the counterattack with his eventual manpower advantage from mobilization, likely in late spring to summer 2023.
Dumbass Putin, impatient and not willing to give Surovikin's plan a chance, stepped in again with fucking Wagner & Yevgeny Prigozhin strutting with a bunch of bullshit marketing claims about how they could win the war. Wager got huge favoritism in resources and was allowed to burn through tons of men's lives in order to grind down the flanks of Bahkmut. When this eventually worked in very small ways, Putin fired Surovikin & replaced him with Valery Gerasimov with marching orders to go back on the offensive.
The Russian offensive which began in late January to presented, WASTED ALL THE RESOURCES Surovikin had built up, for NOTHING except a little more land around Bakhmut. This offensive was retarded, and wasted the 1 hope Russia had of making major gains, and instead completely reversed the situation so that Russia is wasting all its strength and opening itself up to a Ukrainian counter-attack JUST LIKE IT DID BEFORE AT KHARKIV. Russia should have been setting up for a Kursk type battle, and instead it just wasted whatever benefits it had from the 1st round of mobilization to set itself up for a Case Blue.
If things continue as they are now, and there is every reason to believe they will, Russia will keep exhausting itself until it completely loses offensive potential. Then Ukraine will counter-attack and likely will break through in at least one area. Whether this break through will be successfully exploited will depend on many factors, but the Russians have put themselves in the worst possible position, all because of emotionally driven and politically driven bungling.
All true, but it only comes into play if Russia is willing and able to undergo a full mobilization both economically and for conscription. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog". Ukraine is all-in and under full mobilization, whereas Russia is trying to wage war on the cheap with half measures. Russia not only can't win with half measures, but it has totally squandered decades of stockpiles and is now suffering from shell hunger and tank shortages because it wastefully and inefficiently tried to wage a half-assed war.
This is the criticism that I also hear from some pro-Russian sources that I follow, that the kremlins are not taking the war seriously enough. Considering the fog of war, I tend to think that they know stuff that you and I don't know due to the fact that Ukrainian propaganda is rather good, and Western media just echo Ukrainian propaganda. Also they keep switching their story every week or so. One week it's "Ukraine is winning", the next week it's "Ukraine has a shell shortage and its men are desperate". I guess you need that to try to whip up public opinion.
I've heard about this 'shell shortage' for months. It never seems to come to pass. I'd rather see full mobilization, but Putin's excessive caution probably gets in the way there (which is why I don't get the empire's two minutes of hate for him). Actual opposition leader Zyuganov supports full mobilization.
Thing is, that for the US, EU, Commonwealth, and other countries giving aid to Ukraine the aid being given is only a tiny, insignificant fraction of their economies. Not enough to even be felt or make a dent. But because these countries are collectively many, many times bigger economically than Russia, even their tiny spending relative to their economies is more than enough to counter Russia's half-mobilized defense industrial base.
No one but the US has any real interest (as in special interest) in propping up some corrupt shithole constituent republic of the USSR. They do it because you command it. But knowing these countries, and the US, you just have to outlast them, like the Taliban did. They have an attention span that's shorter than that of a teenager on Tiktok, and they want to warmonger against China now.
And even with the collective West pouring absolutely everything into Ukraine and paying its regime's bills, it's still losing. And I don't see any real possibility of gains after partial mobilization.
The result was a debacle with enormous Russian losses
I haven't seen any conformation of 'enormous' losses. People keep making wild claims, but no evidence. Same for the pro-Russia side btw. Col. Macgregor claims that 250,000 Ukrainians are KIA. Which would mean over a million casualties. That would have resulted in state collapse a long time ago.
Then HIMARS showed up and blew up enough ammo caches
I guess they were keeping their ammo beneath the asphalt.
Sergey Surovikin was brought in and did the 1 intelligent thing Russia has done the whole war: HE WENT OVER TO THE DEFENSIVE AND STARTED TO REBUILD RUSSIAN STRENGTH. His plan was to build a strong defense, wait for the next Ukrainian offensive, crush it, then go on the counterattack with his eventual manpower advantage from mobilization, likely in late spring to summer 2023.
Assuming no losses, the Russians are still outnumbered. 170k + 300k = 470k. Ukraine, on the other hand, has 800k regulars and reservists who have spent 8 years terrorizing the people of the Donbas.
Regardless, Putin allowed him to withdraw from Kherson, which seems to have been the smart thing to do militarily. Doesn't seem to me that Putin is allowing political considerations to override military ones. Russia always bungles wars in the beginning. But that doesn't mean that you get to predict that Finland is going to defeat Russia, and in fact, it was about to lose the Mannerheim line when it struck a piece.
Dumbass Putin, impatient and not willing to give Surovikin's plan a chance, stepped in again with fucking Wagner & Yevgeny Prigozhin strutting with a bunch of bullshit marketing claims about how they could win the war. Wager got huge favoritism in resources and was allowed to burn through tons of men's lives in order to grind down the flanks of Bahkmut. When this eventually worked in very small ways, Putin fired Surovikin & replaced him with Valery Gerasimov with marching orders to go back on the offensive.
It's just PMC Wagner advancing and taking losses, not the regular Russian army (as far as I have seen). Also, what I saw was that Surovikin was never fired, and that he was still in command, just under Gerasimov (who was his superior to begin with anyway). Not sure if it's true, but you never know.
The Russian offensive which began in late January to presented, WASTED ALL THE RESOURCES Surovikin had built up, for NOTHING except a little more land around Bakhmut. This offensive was retarded, and wasted the 1 hope Russia had of making major gains, and instead completely reversed the situation so that Russia is wasting all its strength and opening itself up to a Ukrainian counter-attack JUST LIKE IT DID BEFORE AT KHARKIV.
They're not nearly as starved for manpower as at Kharkov, when they had 170k men with a far more vulnerable line than now.
If things continue as they are now, and there is every reason to believe they will, Russia will keep exhausting itself until it completely loses offensive potential. Then Ukraine will counter-attack and likely will break through in at least one area. Whether this break through will be successfully exploited will depend on many factors
A while back, you were bragging about how Ukraine "just kept rolling" - but then it stopped, and we didn't hear anything about it from you again. Now the Russians are advancing. I have no idea who is taking more casualties in Bakhmut. It has to be PMC Wagner, because they're on the offense, but why they do I get propaganda pieces about how dire the situation is for UAF? I hope they get enveloped and surrender so that fewer Russians and Ukrainians have to die for your empire.
all because of emotionally driven and politically driven bungling.
They are politicians. They don't make emotionally driven decisions. You think Putin has emotions?
Guy comes to this forum and sounds like a globalist giving a speech at WEF, you just forgot to mention ''our democracy'' and this would read even more than it already does like an average western politician giving a speech.
He definitely has a blind spot when it comes to Russia. But I like that at least someone is providing the opposite perspective, even though his arguments on this thread weren't the strongest. It would be exceedingly boring if everyone just had the same opinion, and it doesn't equip people to try to open the eyes of people who belong to the 95% who are pro-Ukraine.
It's hilarious how some people in this sub refuse to accept basic realities because you have to reject them as a psychological cope.
I guess that's par for the course for people who still lie and claim that Trump didn't lose the 2020 election even though he very clearly did.
Funny, because I've always pointed out that "MASSIVE FRAUD" is nonsense. The 'election' was rigged in the normal way Western elections are rigged (through media bias) and then some (rigging of election regulations), but not by massive fraud.
The basic reality is that Russia has a massive advantage over Ukraine, in military power, in manpower, in industrial capacity, regardless of how many European countries' economies and Ukrainian lives you are willing to sacrifice for your empire, regardless of how much European infrastructure you blow up, regardless of how much you defraud us with your overpriced LNG garbage.
Russia will win, whether you like it or not. Your puppet will, at best, continue to be a dysfunctional rump state - a warning to any country that wants to become the West's prostitute.
I 100% agree with those points.
All true, but it only comes into play if Russia is willing and able to undergo a full mobilization both economically and for conscription. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog". Ukraine is all-in and under full mobilization, whereas Russia is trying to wage war on the cheap with half measures. Russia not only can't win with half measures, but it has totally squandered decades of stockpiles and is now suffering from shell hunger and tank shortages because it wastefully and inefficiently tried to wage a half-assed war.
Thing is, that for the US, EU, Commonwealth, and other countries giving aid to Ukraine the aid being given is only a tiny, insignificant fraction of their economies. Not enough to even be felt or make a dent. But because these countries are collectively many, many times bigger economically than Russia, even their tiny spending relative to their economies is more than enough to counter Russia's half-mobilized defense industrial base.
Except Russia is losing right now, and it is losing because it has made stupid choices that are unserious about victory every step of the way:
Russia tried an initial blitz strategy that assumed Ukraine would not seriously resist, when Russian intelligence told Putin Ukraine would resist, but he chose to believe his sycophants instead. The result was a debacle with enormous Russian losses and two embarrassing retreats from the North. My alternative warplan would have guaranteed Russian victory within months by pocketing and capturing the bulk of Ukraine's veteran forces.
After suffering initial failures and setbacks, the Russians pivoted to "Hearts of Iron artillery-only challenge" in which they burned through decades of artillery ammunition stockpiles in mere months in order to bully the Ukrainians, and only took a tiny amount of territory in exchange for moonscaping large swaths of Ukraine. Then HIMARS showed up and blew up enough ammo caches that this strategy became unsustainable a few months earlier than otherwise since Russians became ammo-constrained.
Sergey Surovikin was brought in and did the 1 intelligent thing Russia has done the whole war: HE WENT OVER TO THE DEFENSIVE AND STARTED TO REBUILD RUSSIAN STRENGTH. His plan was to build a strong defense, wait for the next Ukrainian offensive, crush it, then go on the counterattack with his eventual manpower advantage from mobilization, likely in late spring to summer 2023.
Dumbass Putin, impatient and not willing to give Surovikin's plan a chance, stepped in again with fucking Wagner & Yevgeny Prigozhin strutting with a bunch of bullshit marketing claims about how they could win the war. Wager got huge favoritism in resources and was allowed to burn through tons of men's lives in order to grind down the flanks of Bahkmut. When this eventually worked in very small ways, Putin fired Surovikin & replaced him with Valery Gerasimov with marching orders to go back on the offensive.
The Russian offensive which began in late January to presented, WASTED ALL THE RESOURCES Surovikin had built up, for NOTHING except a little more land around Bakhmut. This offensive was retarded, and wasted the 1 hope Russia had of making major gains, and instead completely reversed the situation so that Russia is wasting all its strength and opening itself up to a Ukrainian counter-attack JUST LIKE IT DID BEFORE AT KHARKIV. Russia should have been setting up for a Kursk type battle, and instead it just wasted whatever benefits it had from the 1st round of mobilization to set itself up for a Case Blue.
If things continue as they are now, and there is every reason to believe they will, Russia will keep exhausting itself until it completely loses offensive potential. Then Ukraine will counter-attack and likely will break through in at least one area. Whether this break through will be successfully exploited will depend on many factors, but the Russians have put themselves in the worst possible position, all because of emotionally driven and politically driven bungling.
This is the criticism that I also hear from some pro-Russian sources that I follow, that the kremlins are not taking the war seriously enough. Considering the fog of war, I tend to think that they know stuff that you and I don't know due to the fact that Ukrainian propaganda is rather good, and Western media just echo Ukrainian propaganda. Also they keep switching their story every week or so. One week it's "Ukraine is winning", the next week it's "Ukraine has a shell shortage and its men are desperate". I guess you need that to try to whip up public opinion.
I've heard about this 'shell shortage' for months. It never seems to come to pass. I'd rather see full mobilization, but Putin's excessive caution probably gets in the way there (which is why I don't get the empire's two minutes of hate for him). Actual opposition leader Zyuganov supports full mobilization.
No one but the US has any real interest (as in special interest) in propping up some corrupt shithole constituent republic of the USSR. They do it because you command it. But knowing these countries, and the US, you just have to outlast them, like the Taliban did. They have an attention span that's shorter than that of a teenager on Tiktok, and they want to warmonger against China now.
And even with the collective West pouring absolutely everything into Ukraine and paying its regime's bills, it's still losing. And I don't see any real possibility of gains after partial mobilization.
I haven't seen any conformation of 'enormous' losses. People keep making wild claims, but no evidence. Same for the pro-Russia side btw. Col. Macgregor claims that 250,000 Ukrainians are KIA. Which would mean over a million casualties. That would have resulted in state collapse a long time ago.
I guess they were keeping their ammo beneath the asphalt.
Assuming no losses, the Russians are still outnumbered. 170k + 300k = 470k. Ukraine, on the other hand, has 800k regulars and reservists who have spent 8 years terrorizing the people of the Donbas.
Regardless, Putin allowed him to withdraw from Kherson, which seems to have been the smart thing to do militarily. Doesn't seem to me that Putin is allowing political considerations to override military ones. Russia always bungles wars in the beginning. But that doesn't mean that you get to predict that Finland is going to defeat Russia, and in fact, it was about to lose the Mannerheim line when it struck a piece.
It's just PMC Wagner advancing and taking losses, not the regular Russian army (as far as I have seen). Also, what I saw was that Surovikin was never fired, and that he was still in command, just under Gerasimov (who was his superior to begin with anyway). Not sure if it's true, but you never know.
They're not nearly as starved for manpower as at Kharkov, when they had 170k men with a far more vulnerable line than now.
A while back, you were bragging about how Ukraine "just kept rolling" - but then it stopped, and we didn't hear anything about it from you again. Now the Russians are advancing. I have no idea who is taking more casualties in Bakhmut. It has to be PMC Wagner, because they're on the offense, but why they do I get propaganda pieces about how dire the situation is for UAF? I hope they get enveloped and surrender so that fewer Russians and Ukrainians have to die for your empire.
They are politicians. They don't make emotionally driven decisions. You think Putin has emotions?