If they have the right ideas and ideology, they kind of are. But what you said below about not normalizing the gender identity stuff is a good point. I'd be happy if we settled on 'live and let live' but still held firmly to traditional norms.
live and let live was what enabled them in the first place, you're not going to get any resemblance of traditional family values unless forcefully crushed the degeneracies
I get the slippery slope argument, progressivism is always a slippery slope. But 'live and let live' is quite workable in a strong society. It only enabled them because we don't live a strong society. We live in a society weakened by decades of insidious propaganda, and which is being subverted from all angles.
I can see the writing on the wall. I know there's going to be a tremendous, long overdue pushback against this degeneracy, and I know the pendulum is going to swing too far in the other direction. It's inevitable at this point because the degeneracy went too far in the first place.
But it still should be said: You can keep norms and traditions that discourage public degeneracy while turning a blind eye to consenting adults who do their own thing in private. Freedom is important to the fabric of society, and we need to defend it on an individual level even when it involves things we don't like. But the degeneracy we're faced with now, that absolutely needs to be driven underground.
Yeah I don't blame you. Personally I think there are virtuous trans people out there who just want to do their own thing and not be a blight on society. If they're smart enough to break away from the herd and not believe the same garbage all their peers push, that shows strength of character. You can be mentally ill, acknowledge and take ownership of your mental illness and still be of net benefit to society.
But it's a sadly rare phenomenon among trans people.
No, I agree, your first example ('my body feels wrong and I know it's a delusion', etc) would be a requirement for potential based-ness. Personally, I'd extend that to cover those who lean into dressing/living as a woman if they're prepared to live with the social consequences of that (judgement, difficulty finding employment) and don't expect others to validate them. The honesty, self awareness and personal responsibility is the important part.
I imagine if they're actually based then it'd be their vice. Like the smoker who tells kids to never start smoking, but doesn't stop or make any effort to. A living example.
You cannot have 'live and let live' without repealing the civil rights act, the most egregious infringement on the freedom of association in US history. Norms are established and maintained through behavior. Limiting how I can respond will affect norms.
I actually agree with this, freedom of association is as important as other freedoms and infringing on it is egregious. Especially when it's only enforced in one direction. It's commonplace for businesses to discriminate against white males, or for someone other than a white person (or maybe an Asian person) to hire only people of their race. It's commonplace to have clubs or groups that are only for women or for a certain race or sexual minority, you can't do it for white straight men though.
If they have the right ideas and ideology, they kind of are. But what you said below about not normalizing the gender identity stuff is a good point. I'd be happy if we settled on 'live and let live' but still held firmly to traditional norms.
live and let live was what enabled them in the first place, you're not going to get any resemblance of traditional family values unless forcefully crushed the degeneracies
I get the slippery slope argument, progressivism is always a slippery slope. But 'live and let live' is quite workable in a strong society. It only enabled them because we don't live a strong society. We live in a society weakened by decades of insidious propaganda, and which is being subverted from all angles.
I can see the writing on the wall. I know there's going to be a tremendous, long overdue pushback against this degeneracy, and I know the pendulum is going to swing too far in the other direction. It's inevitable at this point because the degeneracy went too far in the first place.
But it still should be said: You can keep norms and traditions that discourage public degeneracy while turning a blind eye to consenting adults who do their own thing in private. Freedom is important to the fabric of society, and we need to defend it on an individual level even when it involves things we don't like. But the degeneracy we're faced with now, that absolutely needs to be driven underground.
Yeah I don't blame you. Personally I think there are virtuous trans people out there who just want to do their own thing and not be a blight on society. If they're smart enough to break away from the herd and not believe the same garbage all their peers push, that shows strength of character. You can be mentally ill, acknowledge and take ownership of your mental illness and still be of net benefit to society. But it's a sadly rare phenomenon among trans people.
No, I agree, your first example ('my body feels wrong and I know it's a delusion', etc) would be a requirement for potential based-ness. Personally, I'd extend that to cover those who lean into dressing/living as a woman if they're prepared to live with the social consequences of that (judgement, difficulty finding employment) and don't expect others to validate them. The honesty, self awareness and personal responsibility is the important part.
I imagine if they're actually based then it'd be their vice. Like the smoker who tells kids to never start smoking, but doesn't stop or make any effort to. A living example.
You don't think you could have a reformed child molester who uses what they learned to hunt down and destroy other child molesters?
You cannot have 'live and let live' without repealing the civil rights act, the most egregious infringement on the freedom of association in US history. Norms are established and maintained through behavior. Limiting how I can respond will affect norms.
I actually agree with this, freedom of association is as important as other freedoms and infringing on it is egregious. Especially when it's only enforced in one direction. It's commonplace for businesses to discriminate against white males, or for someone other than a white person (or maybe an Asian person) to hire only people of their race. It's commonplace to have clubs or groups that are only for women or for a certain race or sexual minority, you can't do it for white straight men though.
Lol no. Forcing people to use separate government facilities is not freedom of association. That's a retarded example