On Facebook I am a member of a few Star Wars groups that are strictly pre-Disney or EU/Legends related. A post came into my feed as a suggestion that showed a picture of Luke and Mara Jade together and I assumed it was an EU page but I was wrong. Mostly modern Star Wars fans and one lady was attacking anyone who liked it or said anything good about because it wasn't canon and George Lucas said it wasn't canon. I told her that I was aware of what Lucas said but that it is my head canon. She then went off on me calling me a hater and that I am not a real Star Wars fan since the EU was nothing but glorified fan fiction and I shouldn't criticize what lucasfilm is doing now.
I asked her why she is so bothered if people like the old EU and she simply said I was a hater and that Star Wars wasn't for me (despite the fact that I've been a fan since as long as I can remember and I got Heir to the Empire for my 12th bday in 92 and have been reading the books/comics ever since). But she just kept saying "bye hater".
I am sure George Lucas is under some sort of deal where he can't totally trash what disney does but it is common knowledge that he wasn't happy with the direction they went. I should've brought up that if she was such a canon purist then isn't the sequel treatment that GL gave them the official canon? Comic books have taught me that everything is canon..... until is isn't and I feel that once George Lucas dies his real feelings will become known and he will be attacked like his ex-wife was when her feelings about the sequels became known after she died.
I know Lucas told the EU writers back in the day that they could write in the OT timeframe and in the future as well as the distant past but to leave the prequel era alone since he was going to one day do another trilogy but those books and comic books kept Star Wars relevant for a long time along with the games when there were no movies or anything coming out.
I guess I'll chalk this up as a lesson on the importance of gatekeeping because I definitely was pushed out because when Disney bought it, it was amazing how fast the shills popped up or sites that had a lot of praise for the EU all of a sudden talked about how crappy it was. Of course the funniest was how ridiculous Dark Empire was with the Emperor coming back. I honestly wish Disney wouldn't even take ideas from the EU and just use their own since they have so many "talented and diverse" writers.
How much do you want to bet that she didn't care about Star Wars whatsover ten years ago? She's what we would have called a poseur back in the music scene.
First thing I thought of.
"your bitch ass used to make fun of me for liking star wars!"
Yes! This is what I despise. All these fake fans who they cater to that would’ve laughed at someone for being into gaming, comics, Star Wars, etc. Sarkessian is the poster child for this
Damn straight I'm a hater. I hate Disney's films under the Star Wars brand.
Glorified fan fiction, unlike what Disney is doing? It's not like the original writers for star wars work for them. The only reason Disney stuff is considered canon and EU stuff isn't is because Disney bought the rights for a ton of money. This woman basically likes what she likes because some IP lawyers told her to.
Disney isn't doing fan fiction. They're doing hate fiction.
Exactly! Considering that Disney chose throw away George Lucas’s sequel and they had no plan, a loose adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy or New Jedi Order would’ve been so easy for them to do. Or with Kenobi they could’ve adapted the book instead of their usual “inject female characters for the sake of it” mindset
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The perfect response is always: Disney supports pedophilia. Enrage the cultists.
I should’ve said that. I was too busy defending the honor of the expanded universe
Yeah, well I got called a SHILL by some HATER! :P
Why a shill?
I was gonna copy and paste OP's post with the situation inverted but it is too long. You caught me; I lied.
"The eu is nothing but glorified fanfiction"
As opposed to the disney stuff which is glorified fanfiction that's also terribly written?
Fans maybe. But the actors are all in on Nu-Trek from what I have seen. Or at least the biggest blowholes like George Takai and Patrick Stewart. At least to me, William Shatner seems to be the oddball out for disliking Nu-Trek.
Robert Meyer Burnett who I like is saying season 3 of Picard is good and he has been very negative on Nu-Trek. Been a big trek fan most of my life but they hire so many writers based on diversity points now it seems
picard season 1 was so bad as to be unwatchable, not just because of message pushing but also because it was incomprehensible
I only made it through by 30 second skipping through the talking parts
I didn't totally hate strange new worlds though
It seemed alright for the first few episodes. Still a little nonsensical in certain respects, but some of it was vague enough that you could hold off to see if they explain it better later on.
But then we got to later on, and not only was the nonsense piling up fast, but there was no justifying their absolutely bonkers explanations.
Retconning the Tal'Shiar as being a secret organization hellbent on protecting the galaxy from synthetic life? Give me a break. And that final space battle was the absolute cheesiest crap. Axanar, with an even smaller budget, could've done something 10x better.
Axanar was the fan film right? I heard it was good
Axanar is excellent. The 20-minute fan-film they released is basically a historical documentary set in the Star Trek universe and probably the best Star Trek we've gotten in the past twenty years.
I could sperg out alot on it, but if you get a chance, watch it. You won't be disappointed.
Definitely will. Also didn’t Walter Koenig play in a fan film?
To be fair, I have been hearing a lot of high praise of Picard 3. I was actually about to watch Nerdrotics review of it, which he had titled as "Hell froze over", so I am assuming its a good review. Still, I will admit that Star Wars was always my wheelhouse far more than Star Trek (didnt hate Trek, just didnt obsess over it like Wars).
This is shit. Still shit the second time around. Oh look I found a corn-maybe-gold kernel in the 3rd shit. Now let's all watch it, because Nerdrotic kept looking at shit.
Really? Nerdrotic is my favorite YouTuber and I know he has been very down on Star Trek. I look forward to watching
Yeah, I recently finished it. He was basically like "I like it, and I find that to be very strange." It mostly came down to it seeming like whoever was in charge this season was an actual Trekkie who knew what they were doing. But was still down on Star Trek and basically viewed it as a last hurrah for now, unless something major changes and this becomes the norm.
I still consider myself a Trekkie but it seems like they have hired people for new trek who don’t like Star Trek. So that’s good to hear. I hear Andor is good but I’m so burned by Disney Star Wars that I’ll never watch it. I’m currently reading one of the EU books
Same here. I watched enterprise and liked it. When discovery was announced I was willing to give it a chance but then they had it on cbs all access and the showrunner kept harping about race and then the cast posted a picture of themselves taking a knee since that was around the time the nfl started doing that. That told me they didn’t want my business
Yep. When he sold it he mentioned there were a lot of books, comics, and games. So clearly he didn’t think they were nothing. I remember the white slaver comment. Did you see that Q&A he did with those middle school students where he said Disney has moved away from my vision?
I only learned this more recently, but on occasion he was actively involved with some of the big creative directions in the EU. Mostly as kind of an occasional consultant, but I thought that was actually really cool to hear.