So one of the surviving roommates of the four victims said in her witness statement that she saw a figure in black clothing and a ski mask walk out of the back sliding door of the house around 4am on the night of the murders. She was so scared that she then locked herself in her room and presumably slept for 8 hours before the bodies were discovered around noon. So just to run down the timeline:
- wake up at 4am and hear noises that you think are your roommate playing with her dog upstairs
- hear a woman's voice saying, "there's someone here," then a man's voice saying, "it's ok, I'm going to help you"
- open your door three times to figure out what's going on
- the third time, a figure in black clothing and a ski mask walks past you and exits the back sliding door (which opens to a balcony)
- freeze in fear
- lock yourself in your room
- don't check on your roommates
- don't call the cops
- sleep in until noon
- find your roommates stabbed to death
- call the cops to report your roommates are unconscious
Obviously this is a big ??? moment, and people are questioning why she didn't call the cops or check on her roommates. So a woman named Alanna Zabel, whose roommate was also attacked in her college apartment about 30 years ago, has stepped up to explain why Dylan didn't call the cops. Zabel's account of her 1992 story is:
- go out partying
- come home and roommate won't unlock the door
- get in through a bathroom window
- there's a weird smell and heavy breathing from your roommate's room
- go to sleep
- discover your roommate unconscious in a pool of vomit the next morning
- when paramedics arrive, you realize the vomit is actually blood
- (roommate is actually still alive and in a coma)
Ok so first of all, the two situations aren't really the same. Weird smells and heavy breathing are kind of suspect, and she probably should've knocked on the door, but if you're a drunk college student those things aren't really that crazy. On the other hand, if some ski mask guy walks out of your apartment at 4am, and you're so scared you lock yourself in your room, maybe don't go back to sleep?????
Another thing is, if Zabel is telling the truth, she was a 20-year old girl and her own mind bent reality to ignore a life-threatening emergency directly in front of her. If that's not true, then this is a Herculean feminine defense effort. If it is true, then I'm not sure how I'm supposed to trust women to handle any kind of situation unless it involves their own kids.
Let's say the Idaho roommate was a dude. He would be getting absolutely dragged in the press right now. Imagine a dude hearing suspicious noises and watching a slasher villain walk past him, then holing up in his room and going to sleep. Upham behavior.
I have sympathy for the survivor because in the end, she's an innocent victim and she's going to have to live with this for the rest of her life. But if she had checked on her friends right away, who knows, some of them might have lived.
You literally aren't supposed to.
I am a MGTOW who understands that western society is gynocentric and yet even I think the people attacking this girl are crossing a line that should not be crossed.
The Idaho girl who survived is absolutely going to be traumatized for life and be racked with survivor's guilt.
It is easy for people to armchair quarterback what she should have done during this scenario but in that horrific scenario, who knows what you would actually do.
The only person who should be blamed for this horror is the killer.
In a fucked up scenario like what happened in Idaho the scary truth is that you cannot trust other people to save you.
Self defense is key.
Survivor’s guilt is irrational. If you give a friend your plane ticket, and that plane crashes, any feelings you might have of personal responsibility for their death are a product of survivor’s guilt.
Failing to intercede, in even the most basic fashion, on behalf of your roommates, in an obviously bad situation, is not a cause for “survivor’s guilt”. That’s just regular guilt.
I get that, but speaking in the abstract, the reason why traditional society instills a sense of responsibility in children is so people can deal with once in a lifetime trauma and hopefully save lives. There is a fine line between attacking this girl on one hand (which is wrong), and on the other, abandoning the concept of duty and ending up with a situation like China where people ignore women getting beaten up and leave hit-and-run victims in the street.
I witnessed a bad accident between a couple of people recently. Since this didn't involve cars, there was no official liability procedure and all the uninjured party did was impress on everyone else that she wasn't at fault. It was left up to me to call for help. Maybe she was traumatized by the other person shaking incoherently? I don't know. But these are the kinds of things that, eventually, kill somebody.
On the flipside, it's amazing when you read the kind of things ordinary people did automatically in times past.
As a high-school student I physically dragged and corralled a massive mentally retarded man out of the road because in the brief interaction I had with him I realized that A. He was actually retarded and B. Was likely going to get smoked by a car. I've always been a large guy and this dude dwarfed me. It would have been less trouble to ignore him. I didn't get any butt pats or publicity for it. Other than the people who were there this is the first time anyone else has heard about it. It's really not hard to have a care for your fellow man.
BS. She should be questioned and looked into as a possible accomplice until proven otherwise.
I'd have just shot the dude. It's called owning a gun. I heard what sounded like someone breaking into my ild apartment and I grabbed my gun and would have blasted whoever it was if that were the case. This bitch actually saw a person and went back to sleep
Is she? Her story sounds awfully suspicious.
Nothing's impossible, but it's going to take a mountain of evidence for me to seriously entertain the possibility that a college girl schemed with a psycho to stab four of her friends to death.
Women do crazy shit like that all the time
Something to keep in mind. She was suddenly woken up at 4am,. Sometimes when you're suddenly woken up, things can seem surreal and dreamlike. She may not have fully realized that something terrible was happening. Sometimes adrenaline doesn't kick in the way that you would expect it to.
If i were a drunk college student I'd check on my friends to make sure they weren't choking on their own vomit. That's why my friends are still alive (or well at least they didn't die from choking)
My point is that's like a known risk that you check for.
When I was a young drunk all my friends knew the recovery position. My social circle was half college students, half tire factory workers. Different causes, same response.
This is a case of, "I don't know exactly what happened, will almost certainly never know exactly what happened, and I'm perfectly fine withholding judgement for those involved."
Except for the Washington-bred psychopath that appears to be responsible for it all. I'm ok with whatever hammer the legal system brings down on him.
You guys underestimate women.
Wait until you find out the surviving girl was actually the one who solicited the dude to kill all her roommates, which is why the dude was around the house from time-to-time based on cell phone logs. He was meeting with this chick and enamored with her. Now the dude is 100% covering for her because he believes he's in love with the surviving chick and he's doing it for her as part of their secret pact. Surviving chick is just trying to make up a bad excuse for why she wasn't killed when in reality she was in on it.