I believe Sowell wrote a great deal about this in Intellectuals and Race. He does not outright reject the genetic hypothesis, but says that he has no need for that hypothesis.
Haven’t read that one yet. I do remember hearing that. He was against affirmative action because he saw that failure it caused as well as not admitting qualified candidates. It just makes no sense. If a group has a lower IQ on average then wouldn’t lowering standards and coddling them be the worst thing?
It makes no sense if you're looking at it as trying to get competent people into positions where they can actually do some good.
If you're looking at the jobs as a patronage system, it makes perfect sense. Who cares if they can't do their jobs as well? You want to bring in your supporters, and screw the people who are hurt by it.
Many of the people posting here think that affirmative action benefiting blacks is bad, but they do want affirmative action in favor of whites so they don't have to compete with Asians.
Many of the people posting here think that affirmative action benefiting blacks is bad, but they do want affirmative action in favor of whites so they don't have to compete with Asians.
IQ is most useful as a threshold. That’s why the military won’t accept people with IQs lower than 83.
Judging by the state of black nations all over the world, 85 average IQ is not sufficient to create functional and prosperous societies. Not anyone else’s problem, truthfully.
Judging by white nations all over the world, 103 average IQ is more than sufficient. That’s why majority-white nations are among the most prosperous in the world.
There’s no reason why whites, who have proven themselves capable of creating and maintaining high quality societies, should be displaced by “higher IQ” Asians and Jews at all the levers of wealth, power, and influence.
You probably didn’t think you were indirectly advocating for ethnostates, huh?
Judging by the state of black nations all over the world, 85 average IQ is not sufficient to create functional and prosperous societies
Alright, was ancient Egypt a functional and prosperous society, or are you going to make some ad hoc rationalizations for that? The IQ was higher back then, it's the luck of the Nile, back then you could have a functional society without a higher IQ.
Judging by white nations all over the world, 103 average IQ is more than sufficient. That’s why majority-white nations are among the most prosperous in the world.
OK, so how come majority-white nations weren't the most prosperous in say 400 BC? How come you want to make judgments based on the exact moment when it suits you?
There’s no reason why whites, who have proven themselves capable of creating and maintaining high quality societies, should be displaced by “higher IQ” Asians and Jews at all the levers of wealth, power, and influence.
So you don't oppose racial preferences, and any criticism you level at blacks for wanting affirmative action is done in bad faith, because you want the exact same thing to benefit yourself.
Many of the people posting here think that affirmative action benefiting blacks is bad, but they do want affirmative action in favor of whites so they don't have to compete with Asians.
Where the fuck are you seeing this? Is this one of those, "I know I hang out with a bunch of bad people but at least I don't (hate Asians) (like Drumpf) (love Putin) (hate the Jews)" rationalizations that people have? If so, it's a new one to me.
Just a while back, there were a lot of people who argued vociferously in favor of discriminating against Asians to benefit whites.
It's interesting that all those people were very happy with criticism of undue racial preferences for blacks, but not with criticism of the undue racial preferences for whites that they support.
i dont care how good chinks are at math, they live like actual bugmen and are eternally retarded in spirit for it, i want none of that in my country even if it means we'll have to go to mars in 2120 at the hand of Richard Stoneweather instead of in 2119 with Chin Som Ban's research
Many of the people posting here think that affirmative action benefiting blacks is bad, but they do want affirmative action in favor of whites so they don't have to compete with Asians.
I've literally never seen this opinion espoused on this board or...anywhere really. Perhaps you're conflating this with people who are just white nationalists? I dont necessarily agree with it, but its certainly a different position than wanting affirmative action in universities and employment in trivial jobs.
I guess you could frame it as 'just' being white nationalists, but do you really think such people would oppose racial preferences for whites if they cannot get through their more drastic step of deporting anyone of a different color?
I don't, but he has interesting things to say about almost everything.
Although it's not a matter of science. Observed differences are a matter of science. The data is out there, and how you explain them is then a separate matter, as was shown in the 'intellectuals' of the title who in the beginning of the 20th century argued that differences proved that blacks were inferior and at the end of the 20th century argued that it proved discrimination.
The explanation for the differences is also a matter of science. That doesn't mean that everyone has to agree or that it has to be settled. But you can do experiments to determine the degree to which racial characteristics are genetics.
The explanation for the differences is also a matter of science
It might be at some point, but right now, there is no definitive scientific explanation.
But you can do experiments to determine the degree to which racial characteristics are genetics.
I think it's likely that intelligence and race has a large genetic component, but this does not necessitate dismissing anything that is not experimental as nonsense.
I believe Sowell wrote a great deal about this in Intellectuals and Race. He does not outright reject the genetic hypothesis, but says that he has no need for that hypothesis.
Haven’t read that one yet. I do remember hearing that. He was against affirmative action because he saw that failure it caused as well as not admitting qualified candidates. It just makes no sense. If a group has a lower IQ on average then wouldn’t lowering standards and coddling them be the worst thing?
It makes no sense if you're looking at it as trying to get competent people into positions where they can actually do some good.
If you're looking at the jobs as a patronage system, it makes perfect sense. Who cares if they can't do their jobs as well? You want to bring in your supporters, and screw the people who are hurt by it.
Many of the people posting here think that affirmative action benefiting blacks is bad, but they do want affirmative action in favor of whites so they don't have to compete with Asians.
IQ is most useful as a threshold. That’s why the military won’t accept people with IQs lower than 83.
Judging by the state of black nations all over the world, 85 average IQ is not sufficient to create functional and prosperous societies. Not anyone else’s problem, truthfully.
Judging by white nations all over the world, 103 average IQ is more than sufficient. That’s why majority-white nations are among the most prosperous in the world.
There’s no reason why whites, who have proven themselves capable of creating and maintaining high quality societies, should be displaced by “higher IQ” Asians and Jews at all the levers of wealth, power, and influence.
You probably didn’t think you were indirectly advocating for ethnostates, huh?
Alright, was ancient Egypt a functional and prosperous society, or are you going to make some ad hoc rationalizations for that? The IQ was higher back then, it's the luck of the Nile, back then you could have a functional society without a higher IQ.
OK, so how come majority-white nations weren't the most prosperous in say 400 BC? How come you want to make judgments based on the exact moment when it suits you?
So you don't oppose racial preferences, and any criticism you level at blacks for wanting affirmative action is done in bad faith, because you want the exact same thing to benefit yourself.
Where the fuck are you seeing this? Is this one of those, "I know I hang out with a bunch of bad people but at least I don't (hate Asians) (like Drumpf) (love Putin) (hate the Jews)" rationalizations that people have? If so, it's a new one to me.
Just a while back, there were a lot of people who argued vociferously in favor of discriminating against Asians to benefit whites.
It's interesting that all those people were very happy with criticism of undue racial preferences for blacks, but not with criticism of the undue racial preferences for whites that they support.
He is criticizing us for wanting a White ethnostate instead of a race-blind meritocracy. Only Jews are allowed to do that.
i dont care how good chinks are at math, they live like actual bugmen and are eternally retarded in spirit for it, i want none of that in my country even if it means we'll have to go to mars in 2120 at the hand of Richard Stoneweather instead of in 2119 with Chin Som Ban's research
I've literally never seen this opinion espoused on this board or...anywhere really. Perhaps you're conflating this with people who are just white nationalists? I dont necessarily agree with it, but its certainly a different position than wanting affirmative action in universities and employment in trivial jobs.
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I guess you could frame it as 'just' being white nationalists, but do you really think such people would oppose racial preferences for whites if they cannot get through their more drastic step of deporting anyone of a different color?
I'm not sure why we'd be looking to Thomas Sowell for explanations on that. That's not a political topic. That is a matter of science.
I don't, but he has interesting things to say about almost everything.
Although it's not a matter of science. Observed differences are a matter of science. The data is out there, and how you explain them is then a separate matter, as was shown in the 'intellectuals' of the title who in the beginning of the 20th century argued that differences proved that blacks were inferior and at the end of the 20th century argued that it proved discrimination.
The explanation for the differences is also a matter of science. That doesn't mean that everyone has to agree or that it has to be settled. But you can do experiments to determine the degree to which racial characteristics are genetics.
It might be at some point, but right now, there is no definitive scientific explanation.
I think it's likely that intelligence and race has a large genetic component, but this does not necessitate dismissing anything that is not experimental as nonsense.