Baited Ron Coleman “Conservative” Orthodox Jewish Lawyer
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Israel's discussions about who can naturalize as jews, and who can't, and who merits a right-of-return, and why is an interesting plethora of discussions over the past 7 decades or so.
Trying to do a Whataboutism with Qatar means nothing. Qatar literally wants to kill you.
It’s the only argument they have when the majority of “American” Jewish are dual citizens. Of course it’s “anti-semitism” to point out the massive in group bias that’s even codified in their own countries laws.
Well, it actually was a pretty big argument. When the US has more jews than Israel, and the American jews are fairly left-wing globalists, and the Israeli jews are orthodox nationalists, and someone starts yelling "you're not a real jew!" shit starts to go crazy.
Where's my "Jew v. Jew" book? Hang on...
Hey wait a minute, wasn't that in The Life of Brian?
Fuck off!
That's the Judean People's Front.
We're the People's Front of Judea!
American Jews are mostly Jewish nationalists, hence their overwhelming support of Israel. Nation =/= country. They are nationalists for the Jewish nation, as in people, regardless of what country they reside. You could also call them globalist. That may seem contradictory, but it's not if you want Jews to dominate the world.
"Globalist" is a nebulous word. You could say it means wanting to dominate the world (which means you could still be a nationalist) or wanting to erase any distinction between all peoples and countries (not compatible with nationalism).
Yeah, but they really kinda aren't. More of the American jewish conservative factions are, but the American jewish leftist factions are not.
That's not how globalist is ever used. Even when it comes to 'global dominance of an ideology', that's not what Globalism implies. Globalism's intolerance of other ideas is just an extension of it's Leftism.
Ah here it is:
... the Knesset, unanimously adopted the Law of Return in 1950. While guaranteeing all Jews [sic] the right or immigrate to Israel and receive immediate citizenship there, it deliberately avoided defining Jewish identity by any religious measure. Secularists dominated both of Israel's major political parties, the rightest Herut as much as the leftist Mapam, and for both, the law fulfilled the Zionist promise of homeland and refuge from a gentile world that had just finished demonstrating its hatred in the Holocaust.
Yet conflicts underlay the law, too, because the Zionist tradition of conflating religious authority and civil affairs. Decades before... [inane pedantic detail] ... It did not, of course, and under the pressure of intermarriage and conversion in the Diaspora [sic], the inherent contradictions of the Israeli system exploded. A series of cases forced the Israeli Supreme Court to begin answering the question the Law of Return had studiously avoided: Who exactly is a Jew? ... [more inane pedantic detail of specific legal cases]...
The Knesset responded with an awkward, troublesome, compromise, amending the Law of Return to be simultaneously more lenient and more strict. For purposes of immigration, anyone with a Jewish grandparent would receive immediate citizenship; but for purposes of national registration, Jewish identity was defined by matrilineal decent or "legitimate" conversion. To add to the confusion, the amendment avoided specifying the criteria for a legitimate conversion. No longer was the question of status simply, "Who is a Jew?" Now it was also"Who is a convert?" and "Who is a rabbi?" In Israel, a homogeneous country with an overwhelmingly Orthodox rabbinate, these fine points of debate mattered little. In America, with it's boom in both intermarriage and Reform and Conservative affiliation, they could hardly have mattered more.
Initially at least, American interests prevailed ... [inane detail] ... But what looked like the triumph of American-style pluralism instead provoked an unprecedented split between American Jewry and the Jewish state, as well as rifts between American Jewish branches. ... Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir promised in May 1987 to introduce and amendment to the Law of Return requiring the Chief Rabinate to approve all conversions. This meant essentially that only Orthodox conversions would pass muster. ... In November 1988, just after the Orthodox bloc had added several seats in the most recent Knesset elections, rumors swirled that Shamir would cut a political deal to ensure the passage of the conversion amendment.
Much of American Jewry reacted with fury and panic. ... In 1997... the issue re-emerged with a vengeance. The ultra-Orthodox parties, now part of Benjamin Neanyahu's ruling coalition, introduced a bill to give the Chief Rabbinate control over conversion. Like Shamir before him, Netanyahu was torn between his religious constituency and an inflamed American Jewry; unlike Shamir, he also faced the task of integrating into Israel two hundred thousand Russian immigrants who were not Jewish according to halakhah [sic]. Israel now had a reason of it's own for reconsidering conversion standards.
Basically, American jews are always perpetually shitting themselves, every time Israel keeps reconsidering how the Law of Return works because... well... they might not technically count as jews in the first place.
Lol, sux I guess. Turns out the Israeli jews actually think religion is important, and they aren't huge fans of secular jewish progressive nationalism.
American jews: "How could they do this?!!"
Israeli jews: "There's a whole book about this. Didn't you guys read it?"
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Like, by choice or just by virtue of being jews?
There is actually a difference, there are those that are actively applied and accepted dual citizens and those that could be dual citizens per said clause
So which are you sayin a majority of American jews are?
Because powerful “diversity” organizations like the adl and splc are run by dual citizens and asking why their other country is an ethnostate triggers the fuck out of them lol
That state can also declare them not to be jews.
You might not like it, but how fucking triggered do you think they are gonna be if Israel says: "Pbbt. You didn't convert properly, and you don't practice our religion. You're not a jew; you're white!"
They could, but since just about every high profile Jewish American are confirmed dual citizens to include Bernie Sanders it’s insanely unlikely.
Tim Pool's not white.
Ok Korean. (read: not Jewish)
Half-Korean
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You say that, but for the life of me, I've never seen this rhetoric come up basically ever in regards to "gentiles". Most I've seen is jews calling people like you goy to rile you up.
You might want to double-check the results of the first Arab Israeli War.
"Israel's totes going to lose if the west doesn't fund them" is not a bet neither I, nor Egypt or Syria, are prepared to take.
What is the talmud and what does it say should be done to gentiles?
The Talmud is like the collected wisdom of rabbis, and it says Christians and Muslims are pigs and dogs and are to be eliminated.
You can do a search with your favorite engine for Talmud Christians Muslims pigs dogs, and you will find out. If you go to like quora or something pozzed it will tell you this is not true, however I recommend you read and judge for yourself.
Like I said, I never hear religious jews, who say that jews aren't following the Talmud, express the idea that they have a right to destroy or murder or rape or any of that other stuff regarding gentiles.
I don't have to read the Quran to listen to even moderate Muslims explain that it's still moral to kill apostates. But I've never heard jews (who weren't already the 1-3 rabbi that you guys normally cite that claim jews deserved the holocaust) claim that the Talmud says what you think it does.