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– SupremeReader 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

See you stupid literal faggot, there was never any "Little Russia" and I already showed you fucking Putin himself backpedaling on the issue entirely but you just must be more papist than the pope.

What "countries that covered up the Katyn Massacre", the Warsaw Pact prison is gone and all my homies hate Lubyanka.

Which will be burned and demolished because it doesn't deserve to even be a museum.

Now just tell me who's dispensing the lies to you and I'll leave you alone.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

See you stupid literal faggot, there was never any "Little Russia"

Never? There never was any 'Ukraine'. Little Russia was the name by which it was known. Hell, it's the name of one of the Tchaikovsky symphonies.

and I already showed you fucking Putin himself backpedaling on the issue entirely but you just must be more papist than the pope.

I don't give a damn about what Putin thinks. Ukraine is not a real country. A rump Galicia as a buffer with NATO, that is its fate.

What "countries that covered up the Katyn Massacre", the Warsaw Pact prison is gone and all my homies hate Lubyanka.

The UK and the US, your friends.

Now just tell me who's dispensing the lies to you and I'll leave you alone.

You do know I can just ignore you, right?

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

During the war, not even our gov in London was making a noise about too much because such were the hard realities (this is also why we didn't declare war in 1939 or later, we had to play with the cards we had). And as always, you refuse to give any (evil) agency to MOSCOW for actually fucking killing people and then blaming the others, and lying and lying and lying about it. (You know that not a few in Russia still lie about it right? Besides those who celebrate it.)

The undertaking of the Katyn case in Great Britain in the 1970s resulted in the most widespread Soviet and Polish action in defense of the Katyn lie since the times of the 1951 Madden Committee. On 15 April 1971, the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, after the approval or consultation of Leonid Brezhnev, Alexei Kosygin, Mikhail Suslov, Yuri Andropov, Andrei Gromyka and Boris Ponomarov, decided to take action to block publicizing the truth about Katyn in Great Britain. A "démarche to the Ministry of England" was sent to the British government, defending the version about Polish officers formulated in 1943-1944[lxx]. In the following years, the initiative of erecting a monument to the victims of Katyn in London caused a strong contraction on the part of Moscow and Warsaw, aimed at defending the lie about the alleged German responsibility for Katyn[lxxi].

Why can't tell me even your sources that you believe AND repeat as they lie to you? I don't get it. You shield the people who lie to you. That's pathetic.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

During the war, not even our gov in London was making a noise about too much

And what was the cause of that? Oh right, the British and Murican government pressuring them to shut up about the true perpetrators of Katyn. Just like after the war, they did precisely nothing to help the Polish government.

They're criminals of the highest order, then as now. But of course, I don't judge, this is just geopolitics. However, you insist that they're good and noble, and that you are therefore not to blame for being their lackey.

In retaliation for Sikorski demanding an impartial Red Cross investigation of the mass murder he and Beria had perpetrated, Stalin declared that he was breaking off all relations with the Polish exile government in London. Adding to its unpleasant effect, Stalin’s poison-pill letter was hand delivered to Churchill at his country house, Chartwell, where the overworked prime minister was enjoying a rare day of rest on Good Friday.

It was a moment of truth for Churchill and Roosevelt. Would these signatories of the Atlantic Charter swallow Stalin’s slanders against the International Red Cross and the Polish government, on whose behalf the war had been fought in the first place?

The answer was yes. Churchill, who replied first, reassured Stalin on April 24 that Britain would “oppose vigorously any ‘investigation’ by the International Red Cross or any other body in any territory under German authority,” and promised to send his foreign minister to meet with Sikorski and “press him as strongly as possible to withdraw all countenance from any investigation under Nazi auspices.” In a follow-up telegram sent on April 25, Churchill did remind Stalin, delicately, that Sikorski had “several times raised this question of the missing officers with the Soviet government, and once with you personally,” suggesting that he suspected Stalin knew more than he was letting on. But Churchill then forfeited any possible leverage on the matter when he promised Stalin that he would lean on Sikorski to “restrain Polish press from polemics.”

Roosevelt, in his reply to Stalin, declared that Sikorski had “made a mistake” in asking for a Red Cross investigation, and that he was confident Churchill would find a way to set the London Poles straight, so they would “act in the future with more common sense.” Roosevelt did express hope that Stalin would order a mere “suspension of conversations with the Polish Government-in-Exile rather than a complete severance of relations,” but this was only a suggestion. The president even promised Stalin that he would try to “help [him] in any way” with his Polish problem—for example, by “looking after any Poles which you may desire to send out of the Soviet Union.” Stalin politely declined the president’s bizarre offer to cleanse the USSR of unwanted Poles, assuring Roosevelt, with a wink, that he viewed any and all Poles residing on Soviet soil as his close personal “friends and comrades,” of whom there was no “question of their being deported from the Soviet Union.”

Encouraged by the obsequious response from his allies, the Vozhd broke off relations with Sikorski’s government. In a letter to Sikorski’s liaison diplomat in Moscow on April 25, nearly as brutal as the ultimatum he had served the Polish ambassador prior to the Soviet invasion in September 1939, Molotov faulted Sikorski for “fail[ing] to offer a rebuff to the vile fascist calumny” that the Soviet government had murdered the Polish officers. “The Soviet government are aware,” Molotov continued, “that this hostile campaign against the Soviet Union has been undertaken by the Polish government in order to exert pressure… for the purpose of wresting from them territorial concessions at the expense of the interests of Soviet Ukraine, Soviet Belorussia and Soviet Lithuania.” In this way, Stalin and Molotov misdirected their own guilt by slander, and ascribed to the Polish exile government the very imperialistic motives they had used to dismember Poland. Here was Soviet diplomatic cynicism raised to an art form

Far from objecting to this bullying, Stalin’s Western allies fell quickly into line. In his telegram to Stalin on April 25, Churchill reassured the Soviet dictator that he was “examining the possibility of silencing those Polish papers in this country which attack the Soviet government.” As early as April 23, the head of the US Office of War Information, Elmer Davis, based on no evidence whatsoever, broadcast a report about Katyn endorsing Stalin’s claim that the mass graves represented a Nazi and not a Soviet crime—a position that would remain the official line of the US government until 1951.

This excerpt is from Sean McMeekin's book "Stalin's War".

For the privilege of being thrown to the wolves after World War II, and putting you in the prison of Soviet domination, the British and the Americans told the Polish government to be quiet.

Speaking of Sikorskis, any comment on the admission by your hero Radek [Sic]orski (the traitor who married a foreign whore) that it was the US that blew up Nord Stream 2, my friend?

And as always, you refuse to give any (evil) agency to MOSCOW for actually fucking killing people and then blaming the others

I thought it was without saying that "Stalin is bad".

But if I have to say it... Stalin is bad. Eating your own feces is bad. Genocide is kinda bad mkaay?

You know that not few in Russia still lie about it right?

Not surprising. People in nationalist countries are very resistant to the idea that their country did anything wrong.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah, "they're criminals of the highest order", but not the Moscowites, who are criminals of some lower order even when they're the ones actually murdering people and lying about it (while you believe them). Fuck off, man. Just, fuck off.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

BTW, Strelkov reportedly just got pushed out a window

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Igor might have sneaked out to the war and having Punished Strelkov adventures again.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Isn't it nice that he got what he wanted rather than an execution, which would have been so sad.

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